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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Except Cursed tool are non living being which can be passed down for Generations and Sorcerers are living beings which would die one day. Also no Kusakabe become Grade 1 Sorcerer and been using same Cursed tool for years we don't get any statement for it getting stronger than him lol.
I should have been more clear.
The supposed limit I’m referring to is the physical limit before the object explodes due to output.
There’s obviously output limits which comes from the user. The reinforced weapon can be as strong as the user wants, as long as the user has the capabilities to reach high levels.
Sukuna is implying Angel in Hanas body was weak because she can't use same level reinforcements as original one Technique has nothing to do with it.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Hana is still the sorcerer in control of the body, Angel just lives inside it as well. Her reinforcement is based on her own capabilities as a sorcerer. Idk why you brought this up.
CE pool ≠ CE reinforcements
Also idk when unlimited = High 3-A 😭😭😭
Did you even read the scan you sent?
Hakari’s body isn’t supposedly breaking apart due to high output. The scans says the unlimited cursed energy coursing through his body is what’s wrecking it. Bro read the scan, the CE pool is what’s causing his body to break. Not output. READ.
If your interpretation of the scans is true, and Hakari is enduring this infinite amount of CE destroying his body, being able to regenerate instead of instantly combusting, he should have High 3-A durability. READ.
Why would it be visible to others when both positive and negative energy synchronisation is too fast for others to notice. His Regeneration speed is way off the chart. Kashimo didn't even noticed him using RCT until he got punched and saw hand was already grown. You ignored that point which I already pointed out
I apologize. I assumed sorcerers could tell when someone is using positive energy. The same way they can sense when someone is reinforcing themselves with cursed energy. Maybe I’m wrong? Perhaps they can only tell when they see the healing or when they’re outputting it. Idk.
Kashimo didn’t know Hakari had RCT until he healed because he doesn’t use it until he’s damaged. That’s my point. If Hakari’s body was constantly under a state of RCT he’d literally be punching Kashimo with positive energy.
There is no threat and there is zero indication he was going around and gaining EXP and getting stronger and faster. Only thing he done was increasing CE reserve for his Ring and passing down the Generation. If what you are saying is True Naobita would have been SG but he wasn't despite being 70 years old.
Naobito wasn’t a special grade because he just didn’t have a bad deep enough to reach that status. SG isn’t a title of raw power, but capabilities.
Plus, we don’t know how strong he was in his past. For all we know, it took his entire life to get to the level he is.
Look at Ogi, mf old asl and was weaker than chapter 1 Yuji.
Reinforcements on Body and Cursed Energy blast with a cursed tool are different things. JJK doesn't have UES and nothing really accepted for Yuta that his AP speed and durability are dependent on Reinforcements alone. He has better durability thanks to his massive CE pool while Rika and Yuta stated to be equal Rika has higher LS and SS arguably which Yuta lacks. You can't really make 1+1=3 with your arguments here.
Yuta’s physical stats are solely based on his reinforcement lmao.
CE doesn’t have to be a UES for characters to have their stats enhanced via the application of their energy system. We don’t know the exact level of these increases, so I can’t argue that it’s a linear progression BUT they aren’t so different that you can argue that speed increases at a fundamentally higher level than strength and durability.
If his durability hardly changed, and his durability is relative to his AP, then his AP hasn’t grown that much as well.
Speed, demonstrably, doesn’t increase exponentially with reinforcement, so you can conclude that his speed didn’t increase that much as well.
Regardless, it’s irrelevant to the discussion.
Rika having certain statistics superior to Yuta doesn’t prove much.
Rika is built crazy have you seen her? Mf jacked as shit.
I said he stayed out of jujutsu society I didn't say he might have quit instantly? There is also fact his name was not brought up as any big noticable figures already speaks the Volumes
I’ll ask again where was this mentioned? Yuta is a sorcerer, there’s reason he stopped being one bc he had a child.

Just pointing out possible double standard
No.
Yuji didn't shown any malice towards Sukuna too in the end. He still cooked him. Idk if you actually read JJK or some other your own fantasy series. He would save the world that's what he was talking about since he is literally cleaning up the curses and all. He respected his dual with Maru idk why he would just go rampage without hearing what Maru has to say.
Him not showing Malice towards Sukuna just further helps my argument.
Yuji literally sat and let aliens invade the planet and after these guys declared war on humanity and started killing his best friend’s grand children he sat back and allowed it to happen.
If these guys went full on colonization I have no doubt Yuji wouldn’t have intervened. He wants the humanity to handle it on their own. I’m not gon yap too much abt this though cus I already said Yuji probably said this knowing a fight was possible. I don’t think he said it intending to fight
 
I should have been more clear.
The supposed limit I’m referring to is the physical limit before the object explodes due to output.
There’s obviously output limits which comes from the user. The reinforced weapon can be as strong as the user wants, as long as the user has the capabilities to reach high levels.
Except it doesn't mean or stated characters can reinforce themselves on the same level as the output used on the weapons you can take several times characters using a weapon CE Reinforcements as example
  • Yuji says direct contact from Yuta's sword would cut him into pieces when he gets a general knife he can fend him off for a small time until it breaks.
  • Kashimo with container doors was able to deal significant damage to JP Hakari head while his kick and punches didn't do the same
  • Yuta himself unleashes CE blast from his sword against Cockroach curses and destroys them in an instant buy when he is fighting main body his physical strikes were blocked by same small curses
  • Kusakabe can fend off Sukuna's slashes with his Cursed took but gets cooked once it's got caught/Broken
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Hana is still the sorcerer in control of the body, Angel just lives inside it as well. Her reinforcement is based on her own capabilities as a sorcerer. Idk why you brought this up.
Pretty sure they were synchronised well forget if that's not the case
Did you even read the scan you sent?
Hakari’s body isn’t supposedly breaking apart due to high output. The scans says the unlimited cursed energy coursing through his body is what’s wrecking it. Bro read the scan, the CE pool is what’s causing his body to break. Not output. READ.
If your interpretation of the scans is true, and Hakari is enduring this infinite amount of CE destroying his body, being able to regenerate instead of instantly combusting, he should have High 3-A durability. READ.
I still don't understand where you are getting Unlimited= Infinite. It's endless CE flow not infinite.
I apologize. I assumed sorcerers could tell when someone is using positive energy. The same way they can sense when someone is reinforcing themselves with cursed energy. Maybe I’m wrong? Perhaps they can only tell when they see the healing or when they’re outputting it. Idk.
Kashimo didn’t know Hakari had RCT until he healed because he doesn’t use it until he’s damaged. That’s my point. If Hakari’s body was constantly under a state of RCT he’d literally be punching Kashimo with positive energy.
Kashimo didn't even sense Hakari using RCT that's my point. Heck Sukuna didn't mentioned anything about Yuji using RCT too he just made a guess in Shinjuku despite he was healing before him.
Naobito wasn’t a special grade because he just didn’t have a bad deep enough to reach that status. SG isn’t a title of raw power, but capabilities.
Plus, we don’t know how strong he was in his past. For all we know, it took his entire life to get to the level he is.
Look at Ogi, mf old asl and was weaker than chapter 1 Yuji.
I can't take you seriously at this rate Calling Ogi being weaker than Chapter 1 Yuji when Ogi is a grade 1 who should be able to beat Finger bearer Yuji was getting man handled by one
Yuta’s physical stats are solely based on his reinforcement lmao.
CE doesn’t have to be a UES for characters to have their stats enhanced via the application of their energy system. We don’t know the exact level of these increases, so I can’t argue that it’s a linear progression BUT they aren’t so different that you can argue that speed increases at a fundamentally higher level than strength and durability.
If his durability hardly changed, and his durability is relative to his AP, then his AP hasn’t grown that much as well.
Speed, demonstrably, doesn’t increase exponentially with reinforcement, so you can conclude that his speed didn’t increase that much as well.
Regardless, it’s irrelevant to the discussion.
Rika having certain statistics superior to Yuta doesn’t prove much.
Rika is built crazy have you seen her? Mf jacked as shit.
Feel free to make UES accepted for JJK then we can talk about this. I'm not wasting my time arguing stuff which doesn't exist so far.
AP, speed and durability can be amped but it's not 1:1 having high CE doesn't mean they are blitz tier above others. Yuta and Uro were not known to have same level as Ryu's level output still their speed were comparable. Yuta has higher CE output than Naobita still Yuta is slower than him lol
I’ll ask again where was this mentioned? Yuta is a sorcerer, there’s reason he stopped being one bc he had a child.
Use Occasm razors it's not hard for simple assumptions he quit since he didn't made big name for himself and he had responsibility to take care of his family.
Him not showing Malice towards Sukuna just further helps my argument.
It doesn't
Yuji literally sat and let aliens invade the planet and after these guys declared war on humanity and started killing his best friend’s grand children he sat back and allowed it to happen.
If these guys went full on colonization I have no doubt Yuji wouldn’t have intervened. He wants the humanity to handle it on their own. I’m not gon yap too much abt this though cus I already said Yuji probably said this knowing a fight was possible. I don’t think he said it intending to fight.
Yes He sat down but if it gets too much out of control he would intervene. He literally knocked down both sides and was cleaning up Cursed spirits and all while keeping an eye on those 4.
 
Except it doesn't mean or stated characters can reinforce themselves on the same level as the output used on the weapons you can take several times characters using a weapon CE Reinforcements as example
It doesn’t need to be stated it’s a given.
Reinforcement is just enveloping yourself with cursed energy. That’s literally all it is. There’s no special technique that amplifies objects or something, it’s literally applying your cursed energy onto something else. This is limited by your personal output, but there’s no reason to assume applying it to a weapon just suddenly shoots up the output. That’s unfounded and frankly makes no sense.
We know sorcerers evenly divide their CE throughout their bodies. We also know sorcerers can reduce the amount on certain parts of their body to increase the amount on other parts. Ex. Todo blocking Mahito’s black flash and Hakari enduring Kashimo’s explosion.
Reinforcing a weapon, would possibly reduce their overall output due to them using CE on an extra appendage.
It would not increase their output in any manner.
  • Yuji says direct contact from Yuta's sword would cut him into pieces when he gets a general knife he can fend him off for a small time until it breaks.
Give a child a knife and ask them to try to cut you.
Despite them being (literally) 100s of times weaker than you, they can still cut you pretty easily. I don’t think I have to explain that a sword is sharp.
  • Kashimo with container doors was able to deal significant damage to JP Hakari head while his kick and punches didn't do the same
Who would have thought that a hard object reinforced with similar energy to the attacker could inflict damage??????
  • Yuta himself unleashes CE blast from his sword against Cockroach curses and destroys them in an instant buy when he is fighting main body his physical strikes were blocked by same small curses
Ima need context for this ngl
  • Kusakabe can fend off Sukuna's slashes with his Cursed took but gets cooked once it's got caught/Broken
Is metal not more sturdier than your skin?????

I still don't understand where you are getting Unlimited= Infinite. It's endless CE flow not infinite.
There are numerous examples of sorcerers being stated to have unlimited, boundless CE but being demonstrably finite.
Im 99% sure Hakari is the exception to this and he just quite literally has infinite cursed energy during jackpot.
Regardless, Hakari is physically built better than Megumi.
Megumi can endure Sukuna using his reinforcement on his own body.
So if Hakari can breach this supposed output limit on his own body then that means his output must be higher than whatever Megumi can endure.
Hakari is stronger than Sukuna and Gojo if this concept truly exists…. Orrrrrrr you’re just wrong.
Kashimo didn't even sense Hakari using RCT that's my point. Heck Sukuna didn't mentioned anything about Yuji using RCT too he just made a guess in Shinjuku despite he was healing before him.
I conceded to sorcerers probably not being capable of sensing people using positive energy. This is irrelevant to the discussion anyways
I can't take you seriously at this rate Calling Ogi being weaker than Chapter 1 Yuji when Ogi is a grade 1 who should be able to beat Finger bearer Yuji was getting man handled by one
Megumi states that Yuji is physically superior to EVERYONE (without cursed energy) during the school event arc. This includes Maki.
An injured Maki physically overpowered Ogi.
Read the chapter, Maki parried all of the blows and overpowered his blade. Ogi only won bc maki dumb asl.

Feel free to make UES accepted for JJK then we can talk about this. I'm not wasting my time arguing stuff which doesn't exist so far.
AP, speed and durability can be amped but it's not 1:1 having high CE doesn't mean they are blitz tier above others. Yuta and Uro were not known to have same level as Ryu's level output still their speed were comparable. Yuta has higher CE output than Naobita still Yuta is slower than him lol
UES isn’t required to have characters grow stronger via their energy.
The application of energy to increase physical strength is bare minimum energy system stuff. UES is scaling physicals to abstract feats like fireballs, creation feats, etc etc.
1. Ryu is both faster and stronger than Yuta my guy????? He’s comparable to them, but he’s demonstrably weaker so his output is lower than Ryu. What are you even trying to say here????
Naobito literally has a CT that increases his speed my guy, you’re grasping at straws.
Use Occasm razors it's not hard for simple assumptions he quit since he didn't made big name for himself and he had responsibility to take care of his family.
“Didn’t make a big name of himself”
What are you even talking about? The only times Yuji’s name was mentioned in the context of a big shot is him defeating Sukuna (he landed the last blow on Sukuna and put up the best performance against him after Gojo’s death) or when they say they need someone to handle Dabura.
News flash, Yuta is DEAD. Idk what you’re on about
 
Show me the arguments rq
She took several bullets from Mai that made Maki bleed

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She also was able to damage Eso with her hammer, although I can't find the panel for that one


To go along with that, there's really no anti-feats for her, there's no feats where she struggles to beat weak characters, one of the few characters she fights, Momo, she one shots with a squeaky hammer

The only anti-feat I could maybe see is her not being able to comprehend how Yuji can punch through walls, but that can be chalked up to the fact she also knows he doesn't use CE at the time, which is impossible for a regular person to do
 
That was a REAL Bullet Mai created, as she ofc wanted to fully kill Maki. All others were rubber.

Plus I honestly think that bullet only hurt Mai cus of the heat of friction from the bullet spinning.
 
Also Nobara was taken off guard by the one to the head, ofc it would one tap, she wasn't protecting her head with as much CE
 
It doesn’t need to be stated it’s a given.
Reinforcement is just enveloping yourself with cursed energy. That’s literally all it is. There’s no special technique that amplifies objects or something, it’s literally applying your cursed energy onto something else. This is limited by your personal output, but there’s no reason to assume applying it to a weapon just suddenly shoots up the output. That’s unfounded and frankly makes no sense.
We know sorcerers evenly divide their CE throughout their bodies. We also know sorcerers can reduce the amount on certain parts of their body to increase the amount on other parts. Ex. Todo blocking Mahito’s black flash and Hakari enduring Kashimo’s explosion.
Reinforcing a weapon, would possibly reduce their overall output due to them using CE on an extra appendage.
It would not increase their output in any manner.

Give a child a knife and ask them to try to cut you.
Despite them being (literally) 100s of times weaker than you, they can still cut you pretty easily. I don’t think I have to explain that a sword is sharp.

Who would have thought that a hard object reinforced with similar energy to the attacker could inflict damage??????

Ima need context for this ngl

Is metal not more sturdier than your skin?????


There are numerous examples of sorcerers being stated to have unlimited, boundless CE but being demonstrably finite.
Im 99% sure Hakari is the exception to this and he just quite literally has infinite cursed energy during jackpot.
Regardless, Hakari is physically built better than Megumi.
Megumi can endure Sukuna using his reinforcement on his own body.
So if Hakari can breach this supposed output limit on his own body then that means his output must be higher than whatever Megumi can endure.
Hakari is stronger than Sukuna and Gojo if this concept truly exists…. Orrrrrrr you’re just wrong.

I conceded to sorcerers probably not being capable of sensing people using positive energy. This is irrelevant to the discussion anyways

Megumi states that Yuji is physically superior to EVERYONE (without cursed energy) during the school event arc. This includes Maki.
An injured Maki physically overpowered Ogi.
Read the chapter, Maki parried all of the blows and overpowered his blade. Ogi only won bc maki dumb asl.


UES isn’t required to have characters grow stronger via their energy.
The application of energy to increase physical strength is bare minimum energy system stuff. UES is scaling physicals to abstract feats like fireballs, creation feats, etc etc.
1. Ryu is both faster and stronger than Yuta my guy????? He’s comparable to them, but he’s demonstrably weaker so his output is lower than Ryu. What are you even trying to say here????
Naobito literally has a CT that increases his speed my guy, you’re grasping at straws.

“Didn’t make a big name of himself”
What are you even talking about? The only times Yuji’s name was mentioned in the context of a big shot is him defeating Sukuna (he landed the last blow on Sukuna and put up the best performance against him after Gojo’s death) or when they say they need someone to handle Dabura.
News flash, Yuta is DEAD. Idk what you’re on about
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It doesn’t need to be stated it’s a given.
Reinforcement is just enveloping yourself with cursed energy. That’s literally all it is. There’s no special technique that amplifies objects or something, it’s literally applying your cursed energy onto something else. This is limited by your personal output, but there’s no reason to assume applying it to a weapon just suddenly shoots up the output. That’s unfounded and frankly makes no sense.
We know sorcerers evenly divide their CE throughout their bodies. We also know sorcerers can reduce the amount on certain parts of their body to increase the amount on other parts. Ex. Todo blocking Mahito’s black flash and Hakari enduring Kashimo’s explosion.
Reinforcing a weapon, would possibly reduce their overall output due to them using CE on an extra appendage.
It would not increase their output in any manner.

Give a child a knife and ask them to try to cut you.
Despite them being (literally) 100s of times weaker than you, they can still cut you pretty easily. I don’t think I have to explain that a sword is sharp.

Who would have thought that a hard object reinforced with similar energy to the attacker could inflict damage??????

Ima need context for this ngl

Is metal not more sturdier than your skin?????


There are numerous examples of sorcerers being stated to have unlimited, boundless CE but being demonstrably finite.
Im 99% sure Hakari is the exception to this and he just quite literally has infinite cursed energy during jackpot.
Regardless, Hakari is physically built better than Megumi.
Megumi can endure Sukuna using his reinforcement on his own body.
So if Hakari can breach this supposed output limit on his own body then that means his output must be higher than whatever Megumi can endure.
Hakari is stronger than Sukuna and Gojo if this concept truly exists…. Orrrrrrr you’re just wrong.

I conceded to sorcerers probably not being capable of sensing people using positive energy. This is irrelevant to the discussion anyways

Megumi states that Yuji is physically superior to EVERYONE (without cursed energy) during the school event arc. This includes Maki.
An injured Maki physically overpowered Ogi.
Read the chapter, Maki parried all of the blows and overpowered his blade. Ogi only won bc maki dumb asl.


UES isn’t required to have characters grow stronger via their energy.
The application of energy to increase physical strength is bare minimum energy system stuff. UES is scaling physicals to abstract feats like fireballs, creation feats, etc etc.
1. Ryu is both faster and stronger than Yuta my guy????? He’s comparable to them, but he’s demonstrably weaker so his output is lower than Ryu. What are you even trying to say here????
Naobito literally has a CT that increases his speed my guy, you’re grasping at straws.

“Didn’t make a big name of himself”
What are you even talking about? The only times Yuji’s name was mentioned in the context of a big shot is him defeating Sukuna (he landed the last blow on Sukuna and put up the best performance against him after Gojo’s death) or when they say they need someone to handle Dabura.
News flash, Yuta is DEAD. Idk what you’re on about
I'll reply to this when I have some free time this week I'm gonna be busy
 
it's biggest problem is that it's rushed, i doubt the backlash would be that bad had dabura vs maho ended better
Couldn't agree more! Can't help but wonder if this is mostly a Gege issue or how modern SJ operates
Only thing I think rushed part is Dabura vs Maho and somehow Black rope getting mixed in the middle. That's some random thing out of nowhere other than I liked this chapter.
 
I think the manga did well in fulfilling what it wanted to. Great exploration of the future, gave us the extent of Yuji's mentality since JJK, showed us his growth in power, shows us there's still systemic issues and then introduced a new twist to cursed energy and even gives us a conclusion on the question asked about how to deal with cursed energy. Still able to write a powerful character as well. It's clear more that this wasn't meant to be a long drawn out series and hopefully Gege's ready to explore a new world in his next manga.
 
i go inactive in the JJK gen thread for a few days then i'm hearing some blaspheme about Naoya being above MBA Kashimo in speed
Like, I don't even like the guy but Mr. Caps at Supersonic or Mr. Caps at Mach 3 is not touching MBA kashimo, even without the rela reaction stuff.
Get Naoya above kenjaku (you won't)
Mf said “even without the rela reactions”
Who gon tell bro Lashimo is NOTHING without rel slop.
Yall mfs gon hate me once this scaling shit is over with, Naoya gon have Ws across the board with inverse matches
 
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