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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Antvasima said:
Well, I hope that our members are not too demoralised to continue to calculate feats, and that Damage and others will not get the calculations rejected due to stricter standards than for other verses. 🙏
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To be blunt, I can't really blame Damage for everything (I've blamed him for what I could, he's taken accountability for what he could, and everything else is just everyone else complaining). He does a good job balancing out the verse or else we'd currently have like tier 4 Jack and MFTL enel or something

Overtime it's just more HST scrutiny. HST scrutiny died off in earlier years when the HST and its scalers faded, so Naruto and Bleach, but since OP is still going strong with new material every month, there's new people with new opinions who think they know everything about everything
 
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Bananossauro said:
Hey, found out there is a map depcting the Blue planet and most of the islands that we know of, the map from rurubu magazine. Is it usable for anything or is it inconsistent/not enough evidence to be considered canon on the wiki?
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Im guessing if it could be used, it would have already been used. So probably no.
 
It probably has accurate island placements and such, but in terms of sizing most likely not, as it’s a map meant to clearly and only show the islands they’ve visited by making them more viewable

There are way more islands in the grand line
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Is Chopper's profile correct? His Egghead Island key is "At least 6-C, 5-C with Monster Point" but the one before that is for Onigashima Raid and it's "6-C, Higher with Monster Point" but the justification for 5-C is damaging Queen in the Onigashima Raid.
 
EtherealCrater said:
Is Chopper's profile correct? His Egghead Island key is "At least 6-C, 5-C with Monster Point" but the one before that is for Onigashima Raid and it's "6-C, Higher with Monster Point" but the justification for 5-C is damaging Queen in the Onigashima Raid.
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That its wrong as the feat in question did happen in the previous arc, but to be honest the whole 5-C for Monster Point its utter bullcrap.

The very next chapter its show that Queen didn't get any actual significant damage from Chopper and was simply screw with him.

Of every current scaling, that its definitely one of the worst cases along with Jozu/Ace/Vista fully scaling from Post Gura Marineford Blackbeard.
 
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KingTempest said:
To be blunt, I can't really blame Damage for everything (I've blamed him for what I could, he's taken accountability for what he could, and everything else is just everyone else complaining). He does a good job balancing out the verse or else we'd currently have like tier 4 Jack and MFTL enel or something

Overtime it's just more HST scrutiny. HST scrutiny died off in earlier years when the HST and its scalers faded, so Naruto and Bleach, but since OP is still going strong with new material every month, there's new people with new opinions who think they know everything about everything
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KT and Damage sitting in a tree...
 
Were Roger, Garp, and Whitebeard in their prime during the events of God Valley and if not should there be an extra key on their profiles to differentiate them? Or would that be too much?
 
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Susie vs Luffy | Deltarune vs One Piece

Chapter 3 Susie is used East Blue Saga Luffy is used Distance is 20 meters Speed is equalized SBA Susie AP and Dura: 513 tons LS: 122.8 million tons Luffy AP and Dura: Upscales from 113.73 tons LS: Upscales from 9.03 million tons Dragon: Captain of the Straw Hats: They became friends(incon):
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Guys, currently both pre and post-timeskip Luffy are both far far higher than Relativistic+ in speed which makes 0 sense.

Especially when 3D2Y is canon and we know Brynndi's Moa-Moa fruit lets him amp his speed 100x and we saw him neg both base Luffy and G2 Luffy with no amps after which Luffy proceeded to get stronger and literally blitzed him before he could move a few meters at 100x amp.

That could be upscaled 100x from his Pre-ts speed we have or from the novel which states that at 10x amp Luffy needed to be LS in order to perceive Brynddi.

No matter the method, both would upscale Luffy to be FTL+ in G2 before he even learned G4 or started using COO and FTL in base post-timeskip.

Is there a reason that this is not used, what am I missing? The material is accepted as canon and the speed amp is explicit.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Its that Amp accepted as valid?
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Yeah, I was supposed to make a thread about it, but I’ve been busy. The biggest point of contention is the consistency of the speed upgrade and even I’m a bit hesitant about that part, specifically when it comes to the Moa Moa no Mi (not the other statements). The AP upgrades should be solid though.
 
Kachon123 said:
Yeah, I was supposed to make a thread about it, but I’ve been busy. The biggest point of contention is the consistency of the speed upgrade and even I’m a bit hesitant about that part, specifically when it comes to the Moa Moa no Mi (not the other statements). The AP upgrades should be solid though.
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I know this was going to be a contention but are we really going to ignore explicit statements when its not even fully inconsistent with the scaling chain.

Kizaru is now confirmed to not be limited to LS (He fought S4 Luffy who we already accept as FTL without acceleration) and needed to accelerate over at least 100+ kms distance to actually blitz S4 Luffy. So he does not have a cap on being necessarily LS at any moment and we know he's putting more effort vs Yonko Luffy then fodder supernovas pre-time skip. So any derivative feat calc using LS is only a minimum, not a maximum.

There are also dozens of LS perception and reaction feats Pre-ts for characters with no COO. And Luffy fresh out of timeskip was calling light "slow", which makes no sense if he only able to dodge via COO and you have literal fodder mid tiers like Ichiji going FTL. And then we have massive amps in Wano where base Luffy with FS is faster than G4 without FS, which would get stacked with his gears.

And if we are doubting the Moa-Moa fruits literal stated ability, which isn't an absurd multiplier like say Hody Jones one is, then why stop there? Why would any fruit be what it says it is, might as well doubt it all because it could seem inconsistent. How can magma passively vaporize steel from meters away but have no effect on normal Marines? And so and so on. Sorry for the ramble.

Please make the thread sir when you get a chance 🙏🙏 cos the current scaling has the training + Brynddi amp mean 0 difference.
 
Damage3245 said:
Having future sight doesn't make Luffy physically faster, it just allows him to react earlier.
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Its makes his effective reaction times faster.

Thats why he was failing to hit Katakuri with FS in WCI with G4 but then was suddenly able to do it in base with FS.

Two characters with different speeds both with FS will have a difference in their effective speed because one is capable of utilizing that knowledge to a greater degree than the other.
 
TalkLost6874 said:
Guys, currently both pre and post-timeskip Luffy are both far far higher than Relativistic+ in speed which makes 0 sense.

Especially when 3D2Y is canon and we know Brynndi's Moa-Moa fruit lets him amp his speed 100x and we saw him neg both base Luffy and G2 Luffy with no amps after which Luffy proceeded to get stronger and literally blitzed him before he could move a few meters at 100x amp.

That could be upscaled 100x from his Pre-ts speed we have or from the novel which states that at 10x amp Luffy needed to be LS in order to perceive Brynddi.

No matter the method, both would upscale Luffy to be FTL+ in G2 before he even learned G4 or started using COO and FTL in base post-timeskip.

Is there a reason that this is not used, what am I missing? The material is accepted as canon and the speed amp is explicit.
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Someone has reading comprehension. But one thing you got wrong is COO doesn't outright increase speed, only reaction, but gear 2, 4, 5 are the only speed multipliers for luffy.
Also, can you provide the statement in the novel (idk if it's on the site, I haven't seen it tho).
 
Fwflygon said:
Someone has reading comprehension. But one thing you got wrong is COO doesn't outright increase speed, only reaction, but gear 2, 4, 5 are the only speed multipliers for luffy.
Also, can you provide the statement in the novel (idk if it's on the site, I haven't seen it tho).
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Thats why I used the word "effective" speed. Meaning his reactions would scale to it.

If char A with an amp making him over a dozen times faster can't react to LS.
But the same Char A with FS with no amp can react to LS, then effectively it makes no difference for fights. Their raw speed would be different though.

Yes, no problem I will attach the statement. The context of this is that Brynddi is using 10x amp here.

Here is the picture, credit to Pics:

Incase the link is not working properly, here is the text:

"モアモア十倍速"!

ワールドの巨体が消えた。人間の目では追いきれないスピードだ。ルフィが見たのは、そこにいたはずのワールドざんぞう の、残像のような影だけだった衝撃がルフィの腹を打った。ボディへの一撃で、ルフィは宙を舞う。天井に激突するかというとき、そこにはもう、ワールドが待ちかまえていた。『モアモアの実』の能力は、大きさと速度を最大百倍まで増す。光の速度で移動でもしないかぎり、ワールドをとらえることはできないのだ。

"More More Tenfold Speed"!

World's huge body has disappeared. It was too fast for the human eye to follow. Luffy saw only the shadow of World, who should have been there, like an afterimage. The blow to the body sent Luffy flying through the air. Just as he was about to hit the ceiling, World was already there waiting for him. The『More-More Fruit』 ability increases size and speed up to a hundred times. Unless he moved at the speed of light, he would not be able to grasp/capture/perceive World.
 
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I'm letting everyone in here know right now.

If you guys use this to scale a bunch of people to FTL+ based off of the Moa Moa fruit's multiplier then I'm downgrading everybody.

Let that be known because we are going through bullshit and yall worried bout SPEED MULTIPLIERS.
 
KingTempest said:
I'm letting everyone in here know right now.

If you guys use this to scale a bunch of people to FTL+ based off of the Moa Moa fruit's multiplier then I'm downgrading everybody.

Let that be known because we are going through bullshit and yall worried bout SPEED MULTIPLIERS.
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Use Borsalino to cap the verse at SoL again without first upscaling him.
 
KingTempest said:
I'm letting everyone in here know right now.

If you guys use this to scale a bunch of people to FTL+ based off of the Moa Moa fruit's multiplier then I'm downgrading everybody.

Let that be known because we are going through bullshit and yall worried bout SPEED MULTIPLIERS.
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I dont know why you're crying, nobody is making a CRT.

I asked a valid question on why the scaling is so messed up pre and post time skip, I provided my reasoning which I think is valid and I posted this to the general discussion to check if anyone disagrees or if I have missed anything like this site not accepting 3D2Y as canon.

Short of that this is a VALID upgrade that the verse deserves based on stated reasonable multipliers.

If you want to deal with the other BS that OP faces thats fine, I agree with it and I dont think anybody disagrees. But you could just say that this is acceptable HERE (which is why i commented HERE) and that we will get to it later and not just something we outright ignore.

And just to be clear nobody, whether on this site or other sites ignores your contributions which are numerous, but saying you'll downgrade a verse just because of spite is not the best is it?
 
KingTempest said:
I'm letting everyone in here know right now.

If you guys use this to scale a bunch of people to FTL+ based off of the Moa Moa fruit's multiplier then I'm downgrading everybody.

Let that be known because we are going through bullshit and yall worried bout SPEED MULTIPLIERS.
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I think we gotta be careful with who/how many this would upgrade. If like 30+ characters go from Rel to FTL+ then we'd have a problem but around a dozen or maybe less probably wouldn't cause that many issues.
 
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