Minor Upgrade for Four Shades( Genshin Impact)·

[BronyaIsTheBest]

Four Shades themselves transcend boundaries that govern the reality(Space - Time - Life - Death), so they should be qualifed for Immortality(type 5) and Resistance(or maybe Immunity) to Space Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation

Source: (1:03:39 - 1:04:40)

The Doctor: To stand, walk, jump, sit, and lie down. These are the most common of behaviors.
The Doctor: Have you ever wondered why we were born following such laws? Who stipulated that we could not fly instead of walk?
(Whenever the Traveler catches up to him, Dottore teleports them to a different location, lifting them higher into the air until they are standing above the clouds)
The Doctor: Someone of your talent and experience must surely know of the Four Great Rulers who serve the Heavenly Principles. They govern Life, Death, Time, and Space.
The Doctor: One wounded by a blade will die from blood loss or infection, and one who falls into a lake will drown in agony. The elderly wallow in solitude, and the solitary age faster. Eventually, new life is born, only to embark on the same path of suffering.
The Doctor: These four divisions anchor the world and shackle those who live in it. But they themselves transcend its boundaries, squandering the power bestowed by the heavens.
The Doctor: All who live yearn for equality, but unless the gods prostrate themselves and profess that they are mere servants of the living, equality can never exist.
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• Agree: Saqphire, AsterReal, Furina003, LoudestProcedure, Youngwolf-0.1(Resistance)
• Disagree: Youngwolf-0.1(Immortality type 5)
• Neutral:

Staff
Agree(1): Theglassman12 (w/ Resistance)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[BronyaIsTheBest]

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[Saqphire]

Yo, only bump once every 12 hours.

I agree btw

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

Btw maybe the link to this in the genshin discussion thread so... They will notice it

 

[Calvz]

Wouldn't they also be resistant/immune to death manip and life manip as well since they transcend the boundaries that governs the reality which also includes life and death?

 

[BronyaIsTheBest]

Wouldn't they also be resistant/immune to death manip and life manip as well since they transcend the boundaries that governs the reality which also includes life and death?

I forgot it :vv

 

[AsterReal]

It looks good.

 

[BronyaIsTheBest]

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[Furina003]

I agree with CRT.
although i think this is ND1 and BDE1

 

[BronyaIsTheBest]

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[LoudestProcedure]

Seems fine I agree

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

No, this is NOT qualify for immortality type 5

They govern Life, Death, Time, and Space.”
They transcend its boundaries.

This shows that they are above the normal system. They are not bound by the laws they govern. But it does NOT explicitly say they cannot die, they are beyond the concept of death itself, they are fundamentally unkillable. Being above or governing a concept does not automatically mean you are beyond being affected by it.
So this is not enough for Type 5.


I think the Resistance is fine.

 

[BronyaIsTheBest]

No, this is NOT qualify for immortality type 5



This shows that they are above the normal system. They are not bound by the laws they govern. But it does NOT explicitly say they cannot die, they are beyond the concept of death itself, they are fundamentally unkillable. Being above or governing a concept does not automatically mean you are beyond being affected by it.
So this is not enough for Type 5.


I think the Resistance is fine.

5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.

Not Actually, Qualify for Immortality type 5 just need you exist unbound by CONVENTIONAL life and death. So I think that they still qualify for Immo5 because they exist beyond normal system of life and death

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.

Not Actually, Qualify for Immortality type 5 just need you exist unbound by CONVENTIONAL life and death. So I think that they still qualify for Immo5 because they exist beyond normal system of life and death

I’d still disagree with that interpretation.

Type 5 is “exist unbound by conventional life and death.” That means death does not apply to them at all, not just that they’re above the world’s system.

What your scan shows is
They govern Life, Death, Time, and Space
They transcend the world’s boundaries

But that only proves they’re higher in hierarchy. It does not prove they cannot die, death doesn’t apply to them, they are outside the concept of life/death entirely.

Being beyond the normal system doesn’t automatically mean you’re outside the concept itself. Many higher gods in fiction transcend a world’s laws but can still be killed by comparable beings.

For Type 5, you need something explicit like

“Death does not apply to them”
“They are not living beings”
“They cannot be killed unless erased from existence”

 

[BronyaIsTheBest]

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[Furina003]

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try to contact some staff bro

 

[BronyaIsTheBest]

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[Theglassman12]

If there's anything that implies them transcending it would lead to them being immortal in some way then I can see Type 5 Immortality, if not then I think resistances to these things works better.

 

[AsterReal]

I think resistance is more sustainable then. Although I don't know if Ronova or Naberius should be able to have Type 5 Immortality. Considering that they transcend life and death (their own domains/laws).

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

That Immortality should only be applied to Ronova and not others.

 

[Furina003]

That Immortality should only be applied to Ronova and not others.

Why only Ronova? The one that trancendent the 4 boundries of humanity is not only Ronova, but all shades

 

[Furina003]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

Why only Ronova? The one that trancendent the 4 boundries of humanity is not only Ronova, but all shades

Probably because Ronova herself as death would naturally be immortal, while the others have an aspect of reality that isn't so closely related to being immortal like her. After all immortality is simply an ability that stops death from affecting you in some way, shape, or form. Anyways, I agree with the resistances, and also agree with the stipulation made towards type 5 immortality, it's not that it's impossible for them to get it or smth, just that this single scan itself doesn't have a clear enough clarification. So whatever staff says ig...

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[MSahla]

Bump, we just need one more staff with this one.

 

[MSahla]

 

[Vietthai96]

We never give resistance because A is stated to transcends B and/or C, transcend is a very vague word

Anyway, if i'm not wrong, they only transcend the powers that governs Teyvat, and seriously we know that there are thing outside of Teyvat, are they also transcend Life & Death of the larger universe outside? Or that conventional life and death do not applies to them?

 

[MSahla]

We never give resistance because A is stated to transcends B and/or C, transcend is a very vague word

Anyway, if i'm not wrong, they only transcend the powers that governs Teyvat, and seriously we know that there are thing outside of Teyvat, are they also transcend Life & Death of the larger universe outside? Or that conventional life and death do not applies to them?

I mean, it is stated that the Laws of the Universe create the world and its seven elements in the mortal world, and the laws of the heavens govern universally. And so the Shades transcends all of them.

They do not limited to Teyvat at all, just as told in the Spring of Hidden Jade book that Istaroth's influence cannot be stopped by an Eggshell/False sky

The mountain people once viewed her as time's daughter, like a white horse leaping from a pure spring, one whom no shackles could bind. Just as it was with her proud mother, so it was with her — no wall or eggshell could bar her path.

 

[Furina003]

We never give resistance because A is stated to transcends B and/or C, transcend is a very vague word

Anyway, if i'm not wrong, they only transcend the powers that governs Teyvat, and seriously we know that there are thing outside of Teyvat, are they also transcend Life & Death of the larger universe outside? Or that conventional life and death do not applies to them?

Whether it's Teyvat's law or not, what's clear is that they transcend the boundaries of life and death, making them immortal beings. This topic has been discussed frequently in various Genshin Impact CRTs, that the laws in Teyvat are the laws of the universe. And also, not all those who come from outside Teyvat are able to transcend these universal laws, you can see this from various cases such as Skirk, where she did not transcend these laws.

 

[MSahla]

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[Vietthai96]

Anyway forgot about this thread, but at best i can only see Immortality Type 5, about Resistance, we simply don't grant redistance to X cause A is stated to transcends X, at best it is a possibly, you need to demonstrate resistance feat or resistance statement

 

[MSahla]

Anyway forgot about this thread, but at best i can only see Immortality Type 5, about Resistance, we simply don't grant redistance to X cause A is stated to transcends X, at best it is a possibly, you need to demonstrate resistance feat or resistance statement

Literally the opposite from Theglassman12 lol.

Anyway, i think we need one more staff to decide which one we take, so can you please tag some staff?

 

[MSahla]

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