This. Literally, the only basis for Heaven being Earth-sized, that we currently accept, is a WoG statement from Viv. If Orange doesn't like using WoG statements at all, then we shouldn't use that either and now downgrade even Lucifer too.
This too. I've literally been saying this the beginning and was basically ignored. Why are we just assuming they're counteracting the MoL's energy with the same amount? Pretty confident Newton's Third Law can't be applied to two magical power sources which don't necessarily exhibit force. How did we come to the conclusion that none of this wasn't just power nullification hax in the first place?
The main supporting argument for this music amp is Lilith's voice. Lilith is one person, one singer. That also cancels out the fact that "perfect hamony" is required too.
You...you do realize Vaggie was intentionally keeping her identity as an Angel a secret, yes? Hell (lol), we don't even know if she fully remembered that happening until You Didn't Know happened. We also literally have multiple combat experts in the verse who specifically make use of their demonic abilities too, Carmilla and Vox are some of them.
Actually. We would assume its Earth sized even without the WoG.
Which he SHOULD be...
"Does Lucifer scale to Lucifer?"
No, a tickle is an unsurmountable level of energy to expend, clearly it's way above his normal output!
It still shows us that Demons are explicitly much stronger than normal humans, and can withstand things like bullets without even getting knocked out from it like a human typically would. Even so, it's only logical to bring more firepower against someone who would just regenerate from weaker weaponry or not even get fazed by it in the first place.
I was gonna save this for my much longer response to this thread, but how does this not fall under the standard of PIS that you yourself establish? Like, literally every single anti-feat you present only happens because of PIS. It would not be very entertaining if nobody in IMP got hurt by anything other than angelic weapons. For example, Spider-Man is shown way more often than anyone in the Hellaverse as being threatened by bullets or buildings falling on him, yet you don't see anyone pushing to downgrade him below High 8-C because of that. 90% of characters in fiction in fact are portrayed as being threatened by bullets in fact. A major story event in Persona 3 involves Shinjiro, who we have having Low 2-C durability, dying to Takaya shooting him, explicitly during the Dark Hour too where he would supposedly be stronger.. Don't know about you, but that sounds far more of an absurd gap than Tier 5 to Tier 9, and it's made worse by the fact that Persona characters, especially in 3 have many other anti-feats of this caliber. I could literally go on forever listing these examples.
Huh? Since when? Why?
She was using her voice to stage a rebellion against Heaven, she was trying to unify all of Hell to a single goal, that's what I was trying to say.
She was keeping it a secret, after Carmilla told her she knew?
It wouldn't. I advocated for it and I'm telling you it wouldn't.
Yes, I know, I was just genuinely worried this thread was trying to argue that when I first clicked on it. You can't be too sure.
This too. The interview from what I've read doesn't actually use the word "universe" in a way that isn't just flowery language referring to the worldbuilding of Hell/Heaven.
Since forever? I just looked it up and saw a CGM thread saying this exact thing.
They withstand bullets, because they regen from the bullet wounds???
"Plot-Induced Stupidity, or PIS for short, is a term used to refer to events in a story that contradict a character's normal capabilities for the purpose of the plot"
And the evidence for that is? Can't be that the guns are Tier 5 cause then it becomes circular lol
That’s good
If it weren’t considered an outlier , I think we should scale it according to the increasing volume of the spherical barrier at each stage, since that would better show the difference in level between the overlords rather than just dividing it by 14.
Just calculate the size of the barrier after each character was added. Call me a genius
You're starting to look like Emmett.
Unironically with just how outdated Persona and Megami Tensei profiles (As a Megami Tensei supporter. ALL the Megami Tensei pages should have the Outdated template). They are supposed to be either 1-A to High 1-A in terms of Tiers. But yeah its all Literally just for the sake of the narrative moving forward unfortunately.
Also BTW, I do have a lot of stuff planned for SMT coming up. I've been preparing it for almost a year now if you take a look at my sandbox profiles.
Kotone better be announced in some way for Persona's 30th Anni.
Goated PFP twin (I'm playing through P3R rn btw lmao)
Bro.. , I don't even know who he is.
Do not worry, me and a whole group are workin on it.
Your PFP?
Honestly, I just used a meme as my profile picture without thinking much about it . I don’t even know its name lol.
Outlier except for Lucifer, Adam and FP Charlie
If that's the consensus then I can maybe agree with it
3 Mods have already voted for it. Just waiting for someone to apply changes ig
Oh wait, it's already finished?
