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Informantion Existance Type 2 For Anos/Noah in Maou Gakuin

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This is my first time, and my English may be somewhat limited, so I hope you can understand.
First, I would like to say that in this case, memory is classified as Type 1 information because it consists of encoded information.
Memory is the faculty of the mind by which data or information is encoded, stored, and retrieved when needed. https://share.google/mTZzLSfFuBxFnYqd1

Okay, let go scan
First, regarding Memory: within the Abyss of Memory, it creates existence (it functions as the building blocks of reality; according to VSBW, it qualifies as Information Type 2).
Scan 1
"《Abyss of Recollection》.
There, the recollections of destroyed worlds accumulate. Worlds that no longer exist. Longing for one’s homeland, loyalty toward the sovereign, memories of comrades from days long past.
Emotions that have lost their place are drawn into this “Abyss of Recollection,” and at times, they take concrete form.
It is said that the Silver Sea whales that inhabit the Sea of Silver Water were also born from there."
Scan 2:
What is drawn to the 《Abyss of Recollection》 are the feelings of those who are perishing, directed toward a world that has already been destroyed. For in most cases, the inhabitants of that world have also perished. And yet, the Silver Water World Listeria has firmly believed this to be true.
For within that 《Abyss》, from time to time, creatures that could not be conceived of anywhere else are born into existence—
Additional line:
Scan beyond mind, because quite simply, those beings have already died, yet their memories remain and pass into the world of the Abyss.



Noah is Memory Itself/In42 Being(Ae1 In42)
Scan 1
Receiving Freinea’s words, Noah asks back:
“…You… don’t remember? You are Shuza Oldrobe, the sovereign of the Transformed World Oldrobe. You perished together with the Transformed World. Using the 《Abyss of Recollection》, we remade you.”
Noah falls silent in thought.
“We — and my people — remembered King Shuza of the Transformed. Those feelings gathered together, and that convergence is you. Do you not remember?”
(Alternative renderings of that key line:)
“Those feelings gathered and became you.”
“It was precisely those sentiments, crystallized together, that formed you.”
In any case, it clearly implies that those memories (Info Type 2) gathered as constituent parts into a unified whole — and that whole became Noah himself.
Scan 2
“That would be the case. Unless there exists a method to fix the recollections of countless people into a single unified form. And there is no way to know which recollection — from which world, and from which individual — will reach the 《Abyss of Recollection》, nor when it will arrive.”
Elmide draws a magic circle.
Then, seventy-seven waterways begin to flicker irregularly.
“We will determine, within this Reservoir of Knowledge, from what kind of recollections you were born.”
The irregularly blinking waterways gradually converge toward a single result.
Of the seventy-seven waterways, only four emit light; the rest go dark.
“Is it finished?” Noah asks.
However, there is no reply.
When he turns around, Elmide is standing motionless before one of the waterways.
Leaving the water tank, Noah walks over.
“What is it?”
“…The waterway has run dry.”
Noah looks down at it.
The water that had been flowing just moments ago had indeed completely dried up.
“What does that signify?”
“Let me explain step by step.”
Saying this, Elmide turns to face Noah.
“First, a portion of you undoubtedly comes from the recollections of the inhabitants of the Transformed World. Though it is only a very small portion…”
He points to Noah’s clothing.
“These clothes, and the way you speak — in simple terms, your vocabulary. They appear to be the same as those worn and used by their sovereign, Shuza. In that sense, Freinea’s plan was partially successful.”
After saying that, Elmide’s expression grows grave.
“However, the very root of your being was shaped from entirely different recollections. And they are not recollections of the Transformed World. You were born from the mingling of recollections from another world.”
“The root of your existence was formed from entirely different recollections…”
The term 形作る (katamidzukuru) is used to describe the formation of one’s ontological structure. In this context, it indicates that Noah’s root essence is structured from memories — constructed from multiple recollections that are mixed together.
As for contextual clarification (if needed):
A portion of Noah consists of memories from the Transformed World. In other words, those memories function as partial components of Noah’s existence. However, that portion is only a very small fraction when compared to the totality of memories that compose him.
In essence, Noah is a composite entity formed from intermingled recollections originating from different worlds.
The formation process here is one of combinational structuring — separate memory fragments gathering and integrating to constitute Noah as a unified being.
Therefore, this qualifies as AE1 Memory / Information Type 2.
 
This is my first time, and my English may be somewhat limited, so I hope you can understand.
First, I would like to say that in this case, memory is classified as Type 1 information because it consists of encoded information.
Memory is the faculty of the mind by which data or information is encoded, stored, and retrieved when needed. https://share.google/mTZzLSfFuBxFnYqd1

Okay, let go scan
First, regarding Memory: within the Abyss of Memory, it creates existence (it functions as the building blocks of reality; according to VSBW, it qualifies as Information Type 2).
Scan 1
"《Abyss of Recollection》.
There, the recollections of destroyed worlds accumulate. Worlds that no longer exist. Longing for one’s homeland, loyalty toward the sovereign, memories of comrades from days long past.
Emotions that have lost their place are drawn into this “Abyss of Recollection,” and at times, they take concrete form.
It is said that the Silver Sea whales that inhabit the Sea of Silver Water were also born from there."
Scan 2:
What is drawn to the 《Abyss of Recollection》 are the feelings of those who are perishing, directed toward a world that has already been destroyed. For in most cases, the inhabitants of that world have also perished. And yet, the Silver Water World Listeria has firmly believed this to be true.
For within that 《Abyss》, from time to time, creatures that could not be conceived of anywhere else are born into existence—
Additional line:
Scan beyond mind, because quite simply, those beings have already died, yet their memories remain and pass into the world of the Abyss.



Noah is Memory Itself/In42 Being(Ae1 In42)
Scan 1
Receiving Freinea’s words, Noah asks back:
“…You… don’t remember? You are Shuza Oldrobe, the sovereign of the Transformed World Oldrobe. You perished together with the Transformed World. Using the 《Abyss of Recollection》, we remade you.”
Noah falls silent in thought.
“We — and my people — remembered King Shuza of the Transformed. Those feelings gathered together, and that convergence is you. Do you not remember?”
(Alternative renderings of that key line:)
“Those feelings gathered and became you.”
“It was precisely those sentiments, crystallized together, that formed you.”
In any case, it clearly implies that those memories (Info Type 2) gathered as constituent parts into a unified whole — and that whole became Noah himself.
Scan 2
“That would be the case. Unless there exists a method to fix the recollections of countless people into a single unified form. And there is no way to know which recollection — from which world, and from which individual — will reach the 《Abyss of Recollection》, nor when it will arrive.”
Elmide draws a magic circle.
Then, seventy-seven waterways begin to flicker irregularly.
“We will determine, within this Reservoir of Knowledge, from what kind of recollections you were born.”
The irregularly blinking waterways gradually converge toward a single result.
Trong số bảy mươi bảy tuyến đường thủy, chỉ có bốn tuyến phát ra ánh sáng; số còn lại đều tối đen.
“Xong chưa?” Noah hỏi.
Tuy nhiên, không có phản hồi nào.
Khi quay lại, Elmide đang đứng bất động trước một trong những con kênh.
Rời khỏi bể nước, Noah bước tới.
“Nó là cái gì vậy?”
“…Dòng chảy đã cạn khô.”
Noah nhìn xuống.
Dòng nước vừa chảy cách đây ít phút trước giờ đã hoàn toàn khô cạn.
“Điều đó có nghĩa là gì?”
“Tôi sẽ giải thích từng bước một.”
Nói xong, Elmide quay sang nhìn Noah.
“Thứ nhất, một phần trong con người bạn chắc chắn đến từ ký ức của cư dân Thế giới Biến đổi. Tuy nhiên, đó chỉ là một phần rất nhỏ…”
Ông ta chỉ vào quần áo của Noah.
“Những bộ quần áo này, và cả cách nói chuyện của các ngươi — nói một cách đơn giản, vốn từ vựng của các ngươi. Chúng dường như giống hệt với những bộ quần áo và cách nói chuyện của vị vua Shuza. Theo nghĩa đó, kế hoạch của Freinea đã thành công một phần.”
Nói xong, vẻ mặt Elmide trở nên nghiêm trọng.
“Tuy nhiên, cội nguồn của bản thể bạn được hình thành từ những ký ức hoàn toàn khác biệt. Và đó không phải là những ký ức về Thế giới Chuyển hóa. Bạn được sinh ra từ sự hòa quyện của những ký ức từ một thế giới khác.”
“Nguồn gốc sự tồn tại của bạn được hình thành từ những ký ức hoàn toàn khác biệt…”
Thuật ngữ 形作る (katamidzukuru) được dùng để mô tả sự hình thành cấu trúc bản thể của một người. Trong ngữ cảnh này, nó chỉ ra rằng bản chất cốt lõi của Noah được cấu thành từ ký ức — được xây dựng từ nhiều hồi ức trộn lẫn với nhau.
Về phần làm rõ ngữ cảnh (nếu cần):
Một phần ký ức của Noah đến từ Thế giới Biến đổi. Nói cách khác, những ký ức đó đóng vai trò là những thành phần cấu tạo nên sự tồn tại của Noah. Tuy nhiên, phần đó chỉ chiếm một tỷ lệ rất nhỏ so với toàn bộ ký ức tạo nên con người anh ta.
Về bản chất, Noah là một thực thể tổng hợp được hình thành từ những ký ức đan xen bắt nguồn từ các thế giới khác nhau.
Quá trình hình thành ở đây là quá trình kết hợp cấu trúc — các mảnh ký ức riêng lẻ tập hợp và tích hợp lại để tạo nên Noah như một thực thể thống nhất.
Do đó, điều này phù hợp với loại Bộ nhớ/Thông tin AE1 Loại 2.
 
What are your thoughts on this? I’d appreciate hearing your perspective and your evaluation so we can have a proper discussion
Agree :
Neutral :
Disagree :
 
Just wanna ask, did you even talk with them in the general Maou gakuin thread or on Discord before posting this?

Also, you can't ping them since you are a regular member and a blue name. We are simply powerless compared to the staff.
 
Just wanna ask, did you even talk with them in the general Maou gakuin thread or on Discord before posting this?

Also, you can't ping them since you are a regular member and a blue name. We are simply powerless compared to the staff.
I’ve noticed that they are active on this forum and often handle Maou Gakuin content, so I assumed they might take interest in this topic if tagged. Since they are more familiar with the verse, their evaluation would likely be more objective than mine, which is why I wanted to ask for their input. I was not aware that tagging requires proper authorization. I sincerely apologize for that.
 
my guy you lack the scans for this or the citing on which volume or chapters did you get the text you need to add this, this is just some advice
 
I’ve noticed that they are active on this forum and often handle Maou Gakuin content, so I assumed they might take interest in this topic if tagged. Since they are more familiar with the verse, their evaluation would likely be more objective than mine, which is why I wanted to ask for their input. I was not aware that tagging requires proper authorization. I sincerely apologize for that.
I would recommend discussing things in the general section, for Maou Gakuin, this is the relevant thread.

CRTs are specifically made to implement changes one way or another.
Staff threads are for forum/ability-related changes, or very controversial ones, that require staff supervision.
QnA section is for asking any type of question.
General discssion section is for discussing verses, with each "thread" being related to its own verse.
 
Này anh bạn, cậu thiếu bản scan hoặc thông tin về tập hay chương mà cậu lấy đoạn văn này, cậu cần bổ sung thêm thông tin này, đây chỉ là lời khuyên thôi.
Tôi thành thật xin lỗi. Bản scan này được lấy từ phiên bản tiểu thuyết trực tuyến trên Ncode, cụ thể là chương 702–703. Link có thể được tìm thấy ở đây:
 
Tôi khuyên nên thảo luận vấn đề này trong mục chung, còn đối với Maou Gakuin, đây là chủ đề phù hợp.

Màn hình CRT được chế tạo đặc biệt để thực hiện các thay đổi theo cách này hay cách khác.
Các chủ đề do nhân viên quản lý dành cho những thay đổi liên quan đến diễn đàn/khả năng, hoặc những thay đổi gây tranh cãi, cần sự giám sát của nhân viên.
Mục Hỏi & Đáp dành cho việc đặt bất kỳ loại câu hỏi nào.
Mục thảo luận chung dành cho việc bàn luận các câu thơ, với mỗi "chủ đề" liên quan đến một câu thơ cụ thể.
tks you so much
 
The only link is directed to the wikipedia page which only entails the definition of memory broadly speaking, and there's quite lack of scans as well, you'd need to provide such otherwise through links or from the source material so that it can be evaluated with further clarity.
 
I sincerely apologize. This scan was taken from the online novel version on Ncode, specifically chapters 702–703. The link can be found here:
add this to the op, next time before you do a crt consult with your fandom or properly
add the scans that's all🙂. (I'm not going to interfere in this crt anymore)
 
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The only link is directed to the wikipedia page which only entails the definition of memory broadly speaking, and there's quite lack of scans as well, you'd need to provide such otherwise through links or from the source material so that it can be evaluated with further clarity.
Simply put, the brain is the medium that transmits information and serves as a storage for data. Within it, memories are encoded data from the human mind regarding specific events (which completely aligns with the case I presented above), so they qualify as such.
If further clarification is needed, this statement also explains it:
“Declarative, or explicit memory, is the conscious storage and recollection of data.”
 
add this to the op, next time before you do a crt consult with your fandom or properly add the add the scans that's all🙂. (I'm not going to interfere in this crt anymore)
I sincerely apologize for my misunderstanding, and thank you for your patience and help. I will do better next time.
 
Simply put, the brain is the medium that transmits information and serves as a storage for data. Within it, memories are encoded data from the human mind regarding specific events (which completely aligns with the case I presented above), so they qualify as such.
If further clarification is needed, this statement also explains it:
“Declarative, or explicit memory, is the conscious storage and recollection of data.”
Yeah I am not denying and arguing against the definition of the memory itself, I'm only pointing out the fact it lacks quite a lack of scans and there's only one link in the OP. which is just that.
 
Ồ, tôi đã hiểu nhầm ý bạn. Các bản quét và liên kết nguồn đều nằm trong hai chương này. Tôi xin lỗi vì đã hiểu nhầm.
Vâng, tôi không phủ nhận và phản bác định nghĩa về bộ nhớ, tôi chỉ đang chỉ ra thực tế là nó thiếu khá nhiều hình ảnh quét và chỉ có một liên kết trong bài đăng gốc.

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Yeah I am not denying and arguing against the definition of the memory itself, I'm only pointing out the fact it lacks quite a lack of scans and there's only one link in the OP. which is just that.
Oh, I misunderstood what you meant. The scans and source links are both in these two chapters. I apologize for misunderstanding you.
 
NO

1. You can't use statement from Web novel, they need to be from light novel.

2. It is not recommended to suggest upgrade for untranslated volume. And even if you're going to, you need to ask the translation from the translation helpers here. Machine translation isn't allowed.
 
NO

1. You can't use statement from Web novel, they need to be from light novel.

2. It is not recommended to suggest upgrade for untranslated volume. And even if you're going to, you need to ask the translation from the translation helpers here. Machine translation isn't allowed.
“I didn’t even think about that at all. I’m really sorry.”
 
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