The Short Awaited Hazbin Hotel Season 2 Downgrade (Part 1. "The only way I know how… SONG!”)

[MrSpockVulcan]

Is no one here going to mention the fact that in the same interview the composer says that this is not the writers' intention?

"This is something I could nerd about at length — a commonality between the Hellaverse and Lord of the Rings is that in the lore of Lord of the Rings, the world-building is built around this idea that reality was sung into existence."

"The idea of music having power in Lord of the Rings… This is such a creator-driven show, and that's not something that's on their radar so much as that's something I privately nerd out about, because I'm one of those weird people who likes Lord of the Rings that much."

"This is such a creator-driven show, and that's not something that's on their radar so much" This implies that this is the composer's interpretation.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

All of them are still 5-B, they are insane and iirc have no anti feats

Their scaling is kinda circular, they're 5-B cause Nifty killed Adam with one, but they also couldn't get past Alastor's barrier, the same one Adam broke with one punch, and now we have an Exorcist breaking one despite being several magnitudes weaker than Adam.

Is no one here going to mention the fact that in the same interview the composer says that this is not the writers' intention?

"This is something I could nerd about at length — a commonality between the Hellaverse and Lord of the Rings is that in the lore of Lord of the Rings, the world-building is built around this idea that reality was sung into existence."

"The idea of music having power in Lord of the Rings… This is such a creator-driven show, and that's not something that's on their radar so much as that's something I privately nerd out about, because I'm one of those weird people who likes Lord of the Rings that much."

"This is such a creator-driven show, and that's not something that's on their radar so much" This implies that this is the composer's interpretation.

That's talking about the Lord of the Rings stuff.

They clarify several times that the singing serves a plot point.

But the point of the singing [in “Hear My Hope”] is that their singing serves a plot point, regardless of what words they're singing.

But the choral main sections in “Hear My Hope,” their voices are actually serving a purpose, a dramatic physical purpose.

They also outright say they left implications in the song itself that it empowered them.

There are implications in [this song] that these characters' voices and these characters' music give them power.

 

[ShionAH]

we have an Exorcist breaking one despite being several magnitudes weaker than Adam.

People be really glazing Exorcist Number 45 rather than give Charlie any credits for a feat

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

He says he got the idea from Lord of the Rings, and then adds that it's "not something that's on the creators' radar."

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He says he got the idea from Lord of the Rings, and then adds that it's "not something that's on the creators' radar."

Cause he was responding to the Interviewer asking him about the Lords of the Ring connection?

He even repeats "in Lord of the Rings" twice in the line you mentioned.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Cause he was responding to the Interviewer asking him about the Lords of the Ring connection?

He even repeats "in Lord of the Rings" twice in the line you mentioned.

I just find it strange that we're downgrading the entire verse based on the word of a composer and not a writer. If that's acceptable, then I agree with the downgrade.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I just find it strange that we're downgrading the entire verse based on the word of a composer and not a writer. If that's acceptable, then I agree with the downgrade.

Tbf there's more to it than just the interview, like Lilith empowering people with her songs and their barrier getting stronger the more they sing and stopping when they don't.
It's really just a possible explanation for why they could do something so much higher than every other showing they have.

That said, we’re probably not even going to use it. Seems like we're just treating the "Hear My Hope" feat as straight-up an outlier.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Tbf there's more to it than just the interview, like Lilith empowering people with her songs and their barrier getting stronger the more they sing and stopping when they don't.
It's really just a possible explanation for why they could do something so much higher than every other showing they have.

That said, we’re probably not even going to use it. Seems like we're just treating the "Hear My Hope" feat as straight-up an outlier.

I don't like the idea of such an important plot element being discarded as an outlier, and I also don't agree with Angel scaling to Vox and Valentino.

But if we're accepting the composer's statements, I'd like a note in the profile stating that these guys can do tier 5 things when they sing together.

 

[Mythic381]

I don't like the idea of such an important plot element being discarded as an outlier,

We can't discard anti-feats either with no real justification.

and I also don't agree with Angel scaling to Vox and Valentino.

I don't see what goes against it besides the argument that Angel is owned by Valentino, it doesn't mean he's incapable of harming him?

 

[Polastournecis]

Yes. That's the point.

A water bucket isn't going to lose water, if one of the people filling it with water, get tired.

No barrier is created until Niffty and Husk came to help

The barrier is created by a mutual effort

More like the case of a power grid
If a power grid powered by 4 power transmission lines and one of them malfuctions, the capavity would be understandably deprived though not by much

 

[Polastournecis]

What does "Serevely" mean?

"Severely" in Anglish (English evil sibling)

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

In relation to my comment about the "build overtime" thing being calc-stacking, this is what Agnaa had to say.

Make that of what you will.

 

[DaReaperMan]

In relation to my comment about the "build overtime" thing being calc-stacking, this is what Agnaa had to say.

Make that of what you will.

Mesee, Mesee...

Well, considering the neutral stance he's taking, I'd recommend following his advice and making a well-formatted staff thread, so use things like foldouts shown below and easy obtainable by going into the source of my post after quoting it in order to make it easier to go through

Spoiler: Technically it's a spoiler foldout, but hey

Source code for these is "[ SPOILER="whatever"] without the space before Spoiler and the first bracket, then you type what you will, and end it off with a "[ /SPOILER]", again, without the space.

 

[OrangeFR]

Please slime out this tragedy of an outlier bro

Yeah I agree with getting rid of tier 5 for everyone but Lucifer because it is a massive outlier, but I don’t remember the details of 8-B vs 9-A overlords, so I don’t care which gets chosen.

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah I agree with getting rid of tier 5 for everyone but Lucifer

forgetting someone?

 

[Mythic381]

forgetting someone?

okay bro we get it

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah Adam and Alastor scaling are also getting care of in the next CRTs.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Yeah Adam and Alastor scaling are also getting care of in the next CRTs.

Alastor at FP literally can't NOT downscale Adam, that fight would have gone way differently if he couldn't. And weakened AL stated he was lacking power, so we can downscale weakened AL and not have a problem

 

[Mythic381]

Alastor at FP literally can't NOT downscale Adam, that fight would have gone way differently if he couldn't. And weakened AL stated he was lacking power, so we can downscale weakened AL and not have a problem

Wait for the "next CRTs" to discuss that.

 

[OrangeFR]

forgetting someone?

I did, ig Adam and maybe FP Al could have it, but that’s a big maybe.

 

[Mythic381]

I did, ig Adam and maybe FP Al could have it, but that’s a big maybe.

And to drag it as the new Charlie glazer

Also rage-empowered Charlie

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

And to drag it as the new Charlie glazer

Also rage-empowered Charlie

Only Rage Charlie get scaling to Adam pal

 

[Mythic381]

Only Rage Charlie get scaling to Adam pal

Get your eyes checked lad

rage-empowered

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Get your eyes checked lad

misinterped the sentence, chum. Apologizes

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Can this be passed now or am I missing?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can this be passed now or am I missing?

Needs three evaluation staff

 

[Mythic381]

Aren't the 2 votes currently accepting it being an outlier and not the song option?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Aren't the 2 votes currently accepting it being an outlier and not the song option?

Yeah, which means it needs 1 more

 

[Mythic381]

Yeah, which means it needs 1 more

Well, that sucks

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@FinePoint

 

[FinePoint]

@FinePoint

Why's everyone talking about FinePoint Alastor?

Give me some time to read...

 

[Mythic381]

Why's everyone talking about FinePoint Alastor?

Give me some time to read...

Will FinePoint save 5-B Overlords for everyone? Or will it all be done...

 

[FinePoint]

My interpretation is that the vast majority of the power of the bubble came from the Seraphim present, and that she was just a little short from being wounded/inexperienced. Beyond that, it seems logical that Charlie and Vaggie were also huge heavy-lifters.

The only Overlord stated to be of direct importance is Alastor, but it's not clear why, and the spell was presumably almost complete anyway.

Basically, I think the feat itself is not an outlier but that none of these people should actually scale to it except Lucifer since it's entirely unclear who contributed what and in what proportion.

 

[ShionAH]

Vaggie

Vaggie wasn't helping the shield.

 

[Mythic381]

My interpretation is that the vast majority of the power of the bubble came from the Seraphim present, and that she was just a little short from being wounded/inexperienced. Beyond that, it seems logical that Charlie and Vaggie were also huge heavy-lifters.

Vaggie didn't contribute lol.

The only Overlord stated to be of direct importance is Alastor, but it's not clear why, and the spell was presumably almost complete anyway.

Because he's the strongest sinner I presume.

Basically, I think the feat itself is not an outlier but that none of these people should actually scale to it except Lucifer since it's entirely unclear who contributed what and in what proportion.

As said in OP. The feat itself would be considered and Outlier to everyone except Lucifer and those who scale to Lucifer or scale to the people who scale to Lucifer.

Basically: Lucifer, Adam and rage-empowered Charlie would scale.

Alastor is questionable whether or not he scales to Adam (as argued) and the Sins would upscale from Alastor if he is accepted to scale there.

Did you check the WoG btw?

 

[FinePoint]

Vaggie wasn't helping the shield.

Must be misremembering that then, sorry.

Doesn't change any of my argument, though. That first part was just headcanon.

Fact is we don't know who did what, and it's clearly narratively inconsistent to assume it was anywhere near equal. For all we know it was 99.9% Emily and she just needed the emotional support.

 

[FinePoint]

Did you check the WoG btw?

Which one? The one about Lute interrupting it?

Viv releases a lot of WoG which gives me a headache.

 

[Mythic381]

Which one? The one about Lute interrupting it?

Viv releases a lot of WoG which gives me a headache.

The one about Sam Haft explaining that the song amped everyone to do that feat. It's mentioned in the OP.

 

[DaReaperMan]

BTW Haft is a composer, not a writer, for the record

 

[FinePoint]

The one about Sam Haft explaining that the song amped everyone to do that feat. It's mentioned in the OP.

I don't necessarily have a problem with it, but it still doesn't prove everyone was contributing equally, or that this is something they could just do on a whim.