Invincible season 3 discussion

[Tahoy49574]

Got it, just be a second to fix it.

Ok fixed. Should be an upscale to the Nuke feat

Thoughts on these comments ?

 

[Tahoy49574]

Could Black Samson and Robot's Heavy Drone deforming flaxan mechs yield anything above numerical class LS ?

We got Class M mid-tiers

 

[The_Renegade_Slugger]

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Is there a reason the Season 2 Invincible key has a 'Likely far higher' while season 3 doesn't?

 

[Tahoy49574]

Is there a reason the Season 2 Invincible key has a 'Likely far higher' while season 3 doesn't?

Season 2 upscales Immortal's tiering, Season 3 upscales it's own feat that's already stronger than the one currently used for Immortal

Immortal has that "likely far higher" because people really cling onto his Season 1 performance despite how fraudulent he is Comic Immortal could be upgraded under similar pretenses but no one is clamoring for him for some reason

 

[The_Renegade_Slugger]

Season 2 upscales Immortal's tiering, Season 3 upscales it's own feat that's already stronger than the one currently used for Immortal

Immortal has that "likely far higher" because people really cling onto his Season 1 performance despite how fraudulent he is Comic Immortal could be upgraded under similar pretenses but no one is clamoring for that for some reason

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Antvasima]

Redirected the Bolt (Invincible) page to the Bolt (Image Comics) one since that seems like the naming convention for the verse. (it's also the one linked to in the verse page)

@YmTheSuper

I am not sure if that is a good idea, as "Image Comics" is not remotely a coherent verse, just a publishing company.

Wouldn't it be a better approach to replace "(Image Comics)" in the page titles for characters from the "Invincible" comicbook verse with just "(Comics)" instead?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Invincible_(Verse)

I think both work to some degree, using "(Comics)" to indicate that these are the characters from the Invincible comics or using "(Image Comics)" to indicate that these are the characters from the comics which are published by Image Comics, although yeah I agree that using "(Comics)" is probably better, less confusing and more convenient, with "(Invincible Comics)" being used for characters that have an overlap in names with others from other franchises.

Although before making any changes I think we should consult and ask the verse supporters about the change since it would affect all the comic character pages.

And if we were to change it we should also do the same for other series published by Image for example many characters from Spawn seem to use "(Image Comics)" which would be changed to "(Spawn)" and etc...

Is it acceptable for you if we apply this change? It seems better to simply specify which continuity a page is for by type of medium than by publishing company.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Is it acceptable for you if we apply this change? It seems better to simply specify which continuity a page is for by type of medium than by publishing company.

I guess it's fine to simplify it to (Comics), tv profiles are named (TV Series) after all and pay no mind if the names overlap with other franchises

Also where's everybody, we're a couple weeks away from Season 4

 

[Tahoy49574]

Is it acceptable for you if we apply this change? It seems better to simply specify which continuity a page is for by type of medium than by publishing company.

Also can I ask you tag several mods for the future Space Racer/Infinity Ray/Viltrumite upgrade CRT since that's easily the most debated aspect of the series ?

 

[Antvasima]

I guess it's fine to simplify it to (Comics), tv profiles are named (TV Series) after all and pay no mind if the names overlap with other franchises

Also where's everybody, we're a couple weeks away from Season 4

@YmTheSuper

Are you willing to handle this please?

Also can I ask you tag several mods for the future Space Racer/Infinity Ray/Viltrumite upgrade CRT since that's easily the most debated aspect of the series ?

My apologies, but I am already very behind with helping out in the many threads I am already subscribed to, and have to decline most of these types of requests due to limited available time.

In addition, I have to be careful to not spam our staff members with pings, as they seldom answer them already.

 

[YmTheSuper]

@YmTheSuper

Are you willing to handle this please?

Yeah sure, I will work on it.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you greatly for your help.

 

[FusionPrime0]

I guess it's fine to simplify it to (Comics), tv profiles are named (TV Series) after all and pay no mind if the names overlap with other franchises

Also where's everybody, we're a couple weeks away from Season 4

I'm here kinda. I found a slight upscale for comics Viltrumite tiers but it'll be overshadowed by the season 4 stuff in 2 months. It's some decent support tho.

Edit: Do you think it's worth a small crt right now or nah? (Due to the beam not even being able to draw blood from Mark Thragg tiers could probably reach small planet+ from upscaling 26.386 Zettatons due to the beam being that far below Mark while keeping the far higher scaling from TJ)

 

[Tahoy49574]

I'm here kinda. I found a slight upscale for comics Viltrumite tiers but it'll be overshadowed by the season 4 stuff in 2 months. It's some decent support tho.

Edit: Do you think it's worth a small crt right now or nah? (Due to the beam not even being able to draw blood from Mark Thragg tiers could probably reach small planet+ from upscaling 26.386 Zettatons due to the beam being that far below Mark while keeping the far higher scaling from TJ)

Probably not. I'm in the process of transporting all my scans to imgbb and imgchest, when that's done I want to discuss in full Viltrum and specifically the Infinity Ray, because seriously that thing "destabilizes" and "breaks apart" things when it's convenient, otherwise it's pretty much a regular energy beam

Shot in an angle where the ray would impact the planet and absolutely nothing happens (stated and shown to be able to destroy planets and stars on it's own btw)

I figure that and the viltrumite upgrade should be combined in one CRT since it's the very reason they're rated the way they are right now, unless you have a suggestion.

Either that or making a CRT that sets precedent on using TV show calcs on comics when it's 1:1 so we don't have to fight tooth and nail when Season 4 airs, mainly upgrading Angstrom's physical strength with this.

Whichever you think is more urgent right now.

 

[Cropfist]

I'm here kinda. I found a slight upscale for comics Viltrumite tiers but it'll be overshadowed by the season 4 stuff in 2 months. It's some decent support tho.

Edit: Do you think it's worth a small crt right now or nah? (Due to the beam not even being able to draw blood from Mark Thragg tiers could probably reach small planet+ from upscaling 26.386 Zettatons due to the beam being that far below Mark while keeping the far higher scaling from TJ)

I think the statement is too vague

 

[FusionPrime0]

Probably not. I'm in the process of transporting all my scans to imgbb and imgchest, when that's done I want to discuss in full Viltrum and specifically the Infinity Ray, because seriously that thing "destabilizes" and "breaks apart" things when it's convenient, otherwise it's pretty much a regular energy beam

Shot in an angle where the ray would impact the planet and absolutely nothing happens (stated and shown to be able to destroy planets and stars on it's own btw)

I figure that and the viltrumite upgrade should be combined in one CRT since it's the very reason they're rated the way they are right now, unless you have a suggestion.

Either that or making a CRT that sets precedent on using TV show calcs on comics when it's 1:1 so we don't have to fight tooth and nail when Season 4 airs, mainly upgrading Angstrom's physical strength with this.

Whichever you think is more urgent right now.

Setting the precedent now is probably more urgent. We can do all the space racer and viltrumite upgrade stuff during/after season 4 imo.

I think the statement is too vague

it says the powerful energy burst it emits is what ends civilizations, it's not implying overtime or just stating the staff in general has that power, it's saying the singular burst of energy. I don't know how much less vague you can be.

 

[Alexander]

Please Invincible show, give us a upgrade ON SOMETHING

 

[Tahoy49574]

Please Invincible show, give us a upgrade ON SOMETHING

I swear, if the sun disk destruction yields pretty high and someone tries to refute that with "What if Thaedus was talking about speed "...

 

[FusionPrime0]

Please Invincible show, give us a upgrade ON SOMETHING

Mark on his way to one shot the devil who created the entire infinite higher dimensional realm of hell that transcends space and time as an extension of his power:

I swear, if the sun disk destruction yields pretty high and someone tries to refute that with "What if Thaedus was talking about speed "...

I mean the Sun Disk already yields pretty high results but I already know someone is gonna say that

 

[Chariot190]

Please Invincible show, give us a upgrade ON SOMETHING

It will. No matter what happens, the planet bust's timeframe will buff stuff a bit. Maybe TO much if it's like half a second, but we'll get there when we get there, anything less than like half a minute will buff them to 5-B.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Mark on his way to one shot the devil who created the entire infinite higher dimensional realm of hell that transcends space and time as an extension of his power:

Keep in mind the hell story line was originally going to be in the comic but was scrapped because Kirkman couldn't find a spot for it, which sort of aligns with the example given in "Regarding Adaptations" about canon

If Invincible VS wasn't limited by the show they should've put the entity from Reboot as a boss

 

[Cropfist]

it says the powerful energy burst it emits is what ends civilizations, it's not implying overtime or just stating the staff in general has that power, it's saying the singular burst of energy. I don't know how much less vague you can be.

"Civilization" is not a physical mass that can be immediately quantified. The statement mentions city-busting as impressive in the same breath. There is zero evidence of a blast that would encompass an entire planet.

 

[FusionPrime0]

"Civilization" is not a physical mass that can be immediately quantified. The statement mentions city-busting as impressive in the same breath. There is zero evidence of a blast that would encompass an entire planet.

Even us humans cover most of the planet, let alone far more advanced civilizations. To take out a civilization in a single shot you would HAVE to surface wipe the entire planet. There's also the thing that we don't know how large cities from Universa's planet are. With a planet that big and a civilization that advanced, their cities could be country sized for all we know and escalating the statements of their scale shouldn't be a restriction to their potency.

 

[Cropfist]

Even us humans cover most of the planet, let alone far more advanced civilizations. To take out a civilization in a single shot you would HAVE to surface wipe the entire planet. There's also the thing that we don't know how large cities from Universa's planet are. With a planet that big and a civilization that advanced, their cities could be country sized for all we know and escalating the statements of their scale shouldn't be a restriction to their potency.

Yet real civilization collapse has happened without obliterating a country's mass, curious.

 

[FusionPrime0]

Yet real civilization collapse has happened without obliterating a country's mass, curious.

She doesn't say it has enough power to collapse a civilization. She states it can END civilizations. And seeing how pretty much every Alien home world is ruled by a singular civilization, with many of those being interplanetary civilizations, she wouldn't assert that a single burst can end civilizations if all it can do is wipe a large city off the map. Unless somehow her only reference for a civilization is Ancient Egypt style civilizations her species/planet is technologically advanced enough for interplanetary travel so I highly doubt that, at minimum it should be able to surface wipe a planet and since her main reference would be her own planet specifically her own.

 

[Cropfist]

She doesn't say it has enough power to collapse a civilization. She states it can END civilizations.

Distinction without difference that does little to prove it wouldn't just damage all livable infrastructure beyond repair.

 

[FusionPrime0]

Distinction without difference that does little to prove it wouldn't just damage all livable infrastructure beyond repair.

Yes, even us humans cover most of the planet, so damaging all livable infrastructure beyond repair for us would require pretty much a surface wipe if you want to do it in a single shot. And considering Universa's home world is more advanced and in drastic need of energy, her species likely habits even more of their planet. Even if they aren't more sprawling, how can you destroy infrastructure on 2 sets of opposing hemispheres of a planet in a single shot without a surface wipe??

 

[Tahoy49574]

Most notable change from this would be this calc getting nerfed due to Thragg's size. Sort of related to that, we have a reference sheet of the 3D viltrumite warship used in the show. Only one really affected by this would be Tech Jacket but still, for accuracy sake

Alright so this ought to be fixed, Thragg being 6'6'' and not 6'10'' sparked a lot of talk about people always thinking he was actually the latter

 

[Cropfist]

Yes, even us humans cover most of the planet, so damaging all livable infrastructure beyond repair for us would require pretty much a surface wipe if you want to do it in a single shot. And considering Universa's home world is more advanced and in drastic need of energy, her species likely habits even more of their planet. Even if they aren't more sprawling, how can you destroy infrastructure on 2 sets of opposing hemispheres of a planet in a single shot without a surface wipe??

Or, more likely, the blast results in environmental hazards that make healthy habitation impossible, without literally surface-wiping everything which would've been said if that is what she meant. Universa engages in interplanetary travel, she likely knows civilizations vary greatly in size between worlds.

 

[FusionPrime0]

Or, more likely, the blast results in environmental hazards that make healthy habitation impossible, without literally surface-wiping everything which would've been said if that is what she meant.

How is that more likely?? The entire point of her stating that is to flaunt her staffs power to show how outmatched she thinks Mark is. The thing she says literally right before this is that it can level cities, why would she flaunt destructive capacity and then say even more powerful thing but its an overtime side effect of what it can do. It wouldn't make sense for her to flaunt the power of her attack with something like that. Also how would a destructive attack make healthy habitation impossible without basically surface wiping?? Even High 6-B meteor impacts don't make healthy habitation here on earth impossible. Also Also, since her species and many others are significantly advanced, even if she makes healthy habitation impossible why can't they just leave and live elsewhere like the Unopans?? The only way this statement makes sense is if she can life wipe an entire planet.
You're over scrutinizing a pretty straightforward claim here.

Universa engages in interplanetary travel, she likely knows civilizations vary greatly in size between worlds.

Yes, but why would she say it's civilization ending if it can't even end her own?

 

[Cropfist]

Even High 6-B meteor impacts don't make healthy habitation here on earth impossible.

The dinosaur extinction killed 3/4ths of all life yet left a crater that only covers 0.005% of the planet.

Yes, but why would she say it's civilization ending if it can't even end her own?

Because it can end others, like the much smaller one on Earth, which has already been ecologically devastated without proportionately massive AoE...

 

[FusionPrime0]

The dinosaur extinction killed 3/4ths of all life yet left a crater that only covers 0.005% of the planet.

That's not civilization ending for species as technologically advanced as them like I already mentioned... Species with casual interplanetary travel will not be wiped out from their planet becoming inhabitable. Also the dinosaur extinction still made it possible for many life forms to survive, any significantly advanced species can still survive that (which most civilizations we've seen in Invincible are), heck even we might survive as a species if we had another extinction level meteor hit Earth

Because it can end others, like the much smaller one on Earth

Why not say "it can end your civilization" then if she's referencing Earth? Why say civilizations as a more broader encompassing term? There's no reason that this shouldn't apply to her own civilization.

which has already been ecologically devastated without proportionately massive AoE...

To completely wipe out any of these more significantly advanced species without AoE would probably require more energy. Also iirc life wiping and surface wiping a planet are treated the same on this wiki if done through destructive means.

 

[Cropfist]

Species with casual interplanetary travel will not be wiped out from their planet becoming inhabitable.

If wiping a planet would not end their civilization, why did you calculate wiping a planet as the end of civilization?

Why not say "it can end your civilization" then if she's referencing Earth?

Why would she need to specify for the planet she is invading?

Also iirc life wiping and surface wiping a planet are treated the same on this wiki if done through destructive means.

Not since long ago

 

[Jason_Courne]

What caused the mass extinction of Dinosaurs wasn't the raw power of the meteor itself necessarily, but instead the rapid environmental and atmospheric changes caused by the impact: Trillions of tons of molten material were shot off into the atmosphere as a result, spreading across over a thousand miles and causing wilfires across 70% of Earth's forests, polluting the atmosphere with gypsum blockign out the sun and causing sulfur rain
For once, destructive capacity is greater than attack potency lol

It's incredibly unlikely that Universa's staff would cause similar environmental hazards since (it's not a billion ton meteor) she states it would end civilizations through raw power

 

[FusionPrime0]

If wiping a planet would not end their civilization, why did you calculate wiping a planet as the end of civilization?

Surface wiping their planet would end their civilization since it would kill all their population. Just causing global environmental hazards wouldn't be enough since they could just leave or have the technology to repair the planet.

Why would she need to specify for the planet she is invading?

She doesn't, but what reason is there for her statement to not be applicable to her own home world, since her wording is inclusive and she should be the most knowledgeable with her own civilization?

 

[FusionPrime0]

Btw it got accepted with a "possibly" rating. So possibly 5-C+ Universa unless we scale her directly to Atom Eve's constructs.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Obviously we can't really tell the story from these covers, but in the event that Conquest does end up fighting Battle Beast how would we treat it ? Battle Beast got way stronger after this, or was Thragg that heavily handicapped from is injuries ?

 

[Tahoy49574]

Btw it got accepted with a "possibly" rating. So possibly 5-C+ Universa unless we scale her directly to Atom Eve's constructs.

Eve's constructs are currently rated like that as the staff still has enough energy to momentarily knock out Mark.

Either way, do you have time for other one-off feats ?

Eve destroying Lizard League's base's roof (If it doesn't even come close to what we have you can skip posting it here)
Brit's nuke vest (Just to make his profile as thorough as possible, he uses so much to make up for his lack of strength)
Donald surviving helicopter explosion (Only really scales to him. I've seen these can get up to 8-B we should aim for that to pitch him against Comic Homelander)
Outrun smashes Dinosaurus' bombs against one another (Still hoping to upgrade the low-tiers)

And I really don't want to annoy you with it, but you also have to update the Mauler calc

 

[Jason_Courne]

Outrun smashes Dinosaurus' bombs against one another (Still hoping to upgrade the low-tiers)

That should definitely uprade low tiers to Class 5 or 10 LS-wise

 

[Tahoy49574]

That should definitely uprade low tiers to Class 5 or 10 LS-wise

I want an AP upgrade

 

[FusionPrime0]

Eve's constructs are currently rated like that as the staff still has enough energy to momentarily knock out Mark.

Either way, do you have time for other one-off feats ?

Eve destroying Lizard League's base's roof (If it doesn't even come close to what we have you can skip posting it here)
Brit's nuke (Just to make his profile as thorough as possible, he uses so much to make up for his lack of strength)
Donald surviving helicopter explosion (Only really scales to him. I've seen these can get up to 8-B we should aim for that to pitch him against Comic Homelander)
Outrun smashes Dinosaurus' bombs against one another (Still hoping to upgrade the low-tiers)

I'll try to do some of these

And I really don't want to annoy you with it, but you also have to update the Mauler calc

I did start on updating it but getting their movement across several shots is a pain. I'll probably just do them moving the metal panel in front of them.
Also I tried doing Martian Man throwing a tank but the framing makes it very hard to accurately calculate and it'll most definitely be below 8-C anyway

Obviously we can't really tell the story from these covers, but in the event that Conquest does end up fighting Battle Beast how would we treat it ? Battle Beast got way stronger after this, or was Thragg that heavily handicapped from is injuries ?

I think Battle Beast getting stronger makes sense, given how much he bled against that Viltrumite executioner. Though if the battle is in space, Battle Beast being nerfed in space would play a factor.

Also Capes has been coming back for a redraw and continuation. And there's now 2 more characters that are chain scaled to Low 5-B. Though one is only with an amp.
I hope we get some decent feats in the upcoming issues along with in the upcoming Battle Beast issues.