Giga Queen (Delterune) vs The Pathfinder (Deepwoken) | [0-2-0]

[Delusionaltx2]

• Giga Queen is used
• Speed is Equalized
• Fight takes place in first layer
• The Pathfinder is an adret and has Evanspear-Greataxe with Whistling periapt as their weapons
• The pathfinders will also be a linkstrider with curse of the no life king, tacet & corrupted payback
• SBA for anything else

John Deepwoken: AthelChan, Poketmonsrs

Queen:

Incon:

 

[Thunderman101]

following

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Added a set distance (forgot darkners have really high range)

edit: actually considering their temperetures I think SBA distance is fair

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Oh yeah as a quick disclamer

I'm not switching builds (Blame ada)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Following.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Actually i'll give em Whistling Periapt

 

[Qurbonboev]

edit: actually considering their temperetures I think SBA distance is fair

What is deal with temperatures?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What is deal with temperatures?

Fire based attacks in deep scale to lightning now and ice-based stuff scale to the -200+ range

If I put them like right in front of each other and PF uses that its kinda a stomp (ofc PF dosen't lead with it though I think)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Also Deepwoken needs range calculations

Wouldn't be that hard either if we used a giant like the elder primadon but oh well

 

[AthelChan]

Oh yeah as a quick disclamer

I'm not switching builds (Blame ada)

pve ahh build.

 

[AthelChan]

What is deal with temperatures?

its at -219 degrees celsius, which means it depends whether or not they started with it, or the 30k degrees c lightning attacks.

 

[TheComet9]

Oh dang, they switched up the deltarune stats

 

[AthelChan]

Also Deepwoken needs range calculations

most long range matras are capped around 60 studs max (except for certain thundercall mantras), for weapons uhh go here.
since this isn't bloodlusted, my guy will test a bunch of mantras on which is effective against her considering he has plethora of those, as well as linkstrider has negative link that makes her 10% slower and takes 20% more damage to us, as well as parasitic leech (as long as shes connected to us, we can siphon her for health).

Oh dang, they switched up the deltarune stats

dang right it is, you know about this more than me. It's time to step up.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

most long range matras are capped around 60 studs max (except for certain thundercall mantras), for weapons uhh go here.
since this isn't bloodlusted, my guy will test a bunch of mantras on which is effective against her considering he has plethora of those, as well as linkstrider has negative link that makes her 10% slower and takes 20% more damage to us, as well as parasitic leech (as long as shes connected to us, we can siphon her for health).

The starting range is probably going to be an issue for PF from the looks of it (700+ meters)

edit: only 16 meters... are you serious????

 

[AthelChan]

The starting range is probably going to be an issue for PF from the looks of it

edit: only 16 meters... are you serious????

honestly im starting to think its gameplay mechanics, because theres one NPC who can hit you grand javelin further than 60 studs.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

honestly im starting to think its gameplay mechanics, because theres one NPC who can hit you grand javelin farther than 60 studs.

pvp balancing might play a part in it

anyways imma be afk for 30 minutes

 

[God_of_perversion]

Fire based attacks in deep scale to lightning now and ice-based stuff scale to the -200+ range

If I put them like right in front of each other and PF uses that its kinda a stomp (ofc PF dosen't lead with it though I think)

The ice attacks are useless but the 30k heat is actually insanity

 

[AthelChan]

pvp balancing might play a part in it

we can just assume they got further for the sake of it.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The ice attacks are useless but the 30k heat is actually insanity

oh yeah I forgot abt -999F stuff for darkeners

 

[AthelChan]

oh yeah I forgot abt -999C stuff for darkeners

 

[Delusionaltx2]

its only a resistance for most darkeners tho (only one that actually uses stuff like this is noelle i think)

 

[AthelChan]

its only a resistance for most darkeners tho (only one that actually uses stuff like this is noelle i think)

so like, queen gets this resistance or nah?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

so like, queen gets this resistance or nah?

yes she does (everyone in the verse does)

 

[AthelChan]

yes she does (everyone in the verse does)

fuuuuuuuhhhhhhh

 

[AthelChan]

isnt like everyone on deltarune also do soul damage

 

[Delusionaltx2]

fuuuuuuuhhhhhhh

anyway set the PFs wincons

 

[Delusionaltx2]

isnt like everyone on deltarune also do soul damage

yes (not like that matters tho)

 

[AthelChan]

anyway set the PFs wincons

this is tough, considering frostdraw is out of the equation the only thing matter is thundercall and ironsing(??). He's also gonna be a damage sponge on this fight as he has alot of sustain options with payback, llinkstrider, nlk. He can prolong this fight as long he can tag along.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

this is tough, considering frostdraw is out of the equation the only thing matter is thundercall and ironsing(??).

they can still use their other abilities since stuff like glare isn't resisted

 

[AthelChan]

they can still use their other abilities since stuff like glare isn't resisted

i mean attunement wise, but yes they can use those.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

i mean attunement wise, but yes they can use those.

i'd say stealthing queen with tacet seems like a gud wincon (stealth good enough to make em invisible and bypass ESP)

 

[LittleGuy99]

GIGA Queen can create 23 clones or even more, can attack the SOUL directly, can shoot fire, shoot acid, throw tennis balls, launch missiles, throw ferris wheels, has this attack and most importantly: She has detachable hands
Technically she also has all her base abilities

 

[Delusionaltx2]

GIGA Queen can create 23 clones or even more, can attack the SOUL directly, can shoot fire, shoot acid, throw tennis balls, launch missiles, throw ferris wheels, has this attack and most importantly: She has detachable hands
Technically she also has all her base abilities

@AthelChan get to supporting

 

[LittleGuy99]

What can Pathfinder do if Queen sends all her clones to kick and punch him?

 

[TheComet9]

What can Pathfinder do if Queen sends all her clones to kick and punch him?

block/parry/dodge

They should be able to dodge her clones and use their damage transferal (prediction and corrupted payback) to their advantage. Pathfinder should know in advance that they can't parry or block her attacks with their precog

The acid shouldn't be much of a problem, they can tank acid from the Arachnid's Weave corrosive touch, which can dissolve armor decorated in gold (i was waiting for a CRT to write that btw, so it's not there yet)

For the ferris wheels and the missiles, pathfinder should be agile enough to reliably dodge the missiles and slide under the wheels

Dang, the soul manip would be quite a problem too, the Pathfinder can tank hits from the Umbrite Witherblade, which drains souls on hit but ofc silly me didn't expect the matchups and so i didn't put that they should be able to resist that, so we'll atleast assume they know they're taking dmg in wither


For the Pathfinder's wincons, they should be able to beat Queen with enough hits but they should also be able to completely melt parts of her with their fire manip that goes up to 30000°C because thundercall is op for some reason, use electricity manip to fry her mech, or use their tacet to do some undercover attacks, like climbing her and breaking in the visor

 

[AthelChan]

block/parry/dodge

They should be able to dodge her clones and use their damage transferal (prediction and corrupted payback) to their advantage. Pathfinder should know in advance that they can't parry or block her attacks with their precog

The acid shouldn't be much of a problem, they can tank acid from the Arachnid's Weave corrosive touch, which can dissolve armor decorated in gold (i was waiting for a CRT to write that btw, so it's not there yet)

For the ferris wheels and the missiles, pathfinder should be agile enough to reliably dodge the missiles and slide under the wheels

Dang, the soul manip would be quite a problem too, the Pathfinder can tank hits from the Umbrite Witherblade, which drains souls on hit but ofc silly me didn't expect the matchups and so i didn't put that they should be able to resist that, so we'll atleast assume they know they're taking dmg in wither


For the Pathfinder's wincons, they should be able to beat Queen with enough hits but they should also be able to completely melt parts of her with their fire manip that goes up to 30000°C because thundercall is op for some reason, use electricity manip to fry her mech, or use their tacet to do some undercover attacks, like climbing her and breaking in the visor

i wonder if they have resistance to madness/fear manip

 

[TheComet9]

oh right (nah she doesn't)

 

[SnakesCity]

Was asked to look at this so uh here i am.

The acid shouldn't be much of a problem, they can tank acid from the Arachnid's Weave corrosive touch, which can dissolve armor decorated in gold (i was waiting for a CRT to write that btw, so it's not there yet)

If it's not on the profile yet it can't be used in a match......

Dang, the soul manip would be quite a problem too, the Pathfinder can tank hits from the Umbrite Witherblade, which drains souls on hit but ofc silly me didn't expect the matchups and so i didn't put that they should be able to resist that, so we'll atleast assume they know they're taking dmg in wither

For clarification's sake, resistance to soul manip still wouldn't mean much because every UTDR character also has resistance to it and still takes damage from it.

i wonder if they have resistance to madness/fear manip

What does the madness and fear manip do?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Dang, the soul manip would be quite a problem too, the Pathfinder can tank hits from the Umbrite Witherblade, which drains souls on hit but ofc silly me didn't expect the matchups and so i didn't put that they should be able to resist that, so we'll atleast assume they know they're taking dmg in wither

I was under the impression this was there for resistances...

this makes things more interesting

 

[Delusionaltx2]

For clarification's sake, resistance to soul manip still wouldn't mean much because every UTDR character also has resistance to it and still takes damage from it.

they take normal damage from it tho (as in tank it the same way they would a physical attack)

What does the madness and fear manip do?

Starts small but gets crazier overtime

You can look at the chart shown in the monster physiology page for more info