Not-so-big revision

[Polastournecis]

I didn't expect this wiki still taking straight forward things so damn seriously, so guess i have to roll with it anyway

Spoiler: Durability feat: Alastor tanking Adam's full power swing

 Feat

Some justifications for why this should be usable as a dura feat (and why Alastor should scale to the this attack)

• The width of the swing: The vector strikes in animation are illustrated as trails of light, the wider the slash, the more powerfully/deeply and precisely the attack hits. Adam slash is a wide cresent-shaped trail prolonging through multiple frames, showing it precisely hit Alastor and was meant to mutilate him, compared to glancing attacks such as Velvette's
• The piercing strength: Weaker slashes could slice an Exorcist in half, while Adam sloppy hits were enough to obliterate electrified tentacles, which scales to Alastor durability.
• The statements: Charlie's profile suggests that Charlie would only roughly durable as Alastor once transforming into her demon form, as he is the only one at the hotel can handle Adam. Alastor's profile also states that Overlords believe that only Lucifer is enough to take him down, which further reinforces the validity of this feat.

Also note that electrified tentacles strikes can stun an off-guard Adam and the latter had to defend against them, which makes Alastor more durable than what is used to upscale his durability (lmao)

Spoiler: Alastor skillsets: Maneuversality edition

Now, here is the sugar on the cream

• Flight, Intangibility and Teleportation: As a shadow, Alastor gains hyper-maneuverabilty, as shown he can both teleport and fly at the same time, while turning incorporeal
  • Possession and Matter Manipulation: Can merge with the environment and attack Vox via it (Make this clear that the scatters were directed to Vox, in a different direction from their usual as Alastor possessed them)
• Flight: As seen multiple times in his battle with Vox and Shok.wav's pursuit
• Surface Scaling and Acrobatics: "Iceskated" on skycraper walls as if it was the ground. Is demonstrated to have incredible mobility as he can perform backflips/somersaults to dodge Shok.wav, even when standing on a wall.
• Weapon Creation: Summoned spikes out of darkness that can pierce through metal.

Spoiler: Possible addition

Valentino and Velvette should have "higher with Magic/pistol" due to harming a weakened Alastor and destroying one of his large tentacles. Their magic attacks, and Valentino's pistol are also posed as deadly threats to other Overlords.

Lute should have Surface Scaling as seen from her performance in Gravity

Hope this help

Agree: @Aolphl (No idea about dura) @OiEuSouDuvi (Screw Matter Manip) @Comiphorous @Mythic381 (Everything that is not Possession and dura feat) @TheOrangeGuy09 (all except dura feat) @Greatsage13th
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Aolphl]

No idea about dura feat, agree with rest of them

 

[Polastournecis]

No idea about dura feat, agree with rest of them

Sure
Ig you are not one of the show fans then?

 

[Aolphl]

Sure
Ig you are not one of the show fans then?

I watched season one 3 times and season two 1 time, I love the verse but not much interested in tiering

 

[DarkLock92]

You should probably put this in the discussion thread, though there are a lot of crts open rn

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

I agree with everything ( except for manipulation of matter ); the durability feat is extremely obvious. Alastor, even being a demon who is countered by angelic power, received divine light from an extremely brave Adam wielding his angelic weapon, and although his staff was broken, losing some of his powers, he suffered no other damage.

However, given how strong headcanon Adam was in that Wiki, it probably won't be accepted.

 

[Comiphorous]

I didn't expect this wiki still taking straight forward things so damn seriously, so guess i have to roll with it anyway

Spoiler: Durability feat: Alastor tanking Adam's full power swing

 Feat

Some justifications for why this should be usable as a dura feat (and why Alastor should scale to the this attack)

• The width of the slash: The slashes in animation are illustrated as trails of light, the wider the slash, the more powerfully/deeply and precisely the attack hits. Adam slash is a wide cresent-shaped trail prolonging through multiple frames, showing it precisely hit Alastor and was meant to mutilate him, compared to glancing attacks such as Velvette's
• The piercing strength: Weaker slashes could slice an Exorcist in half, while Adam sloppy hits were enough to obliterate electrified tentacles, which scales to Alastor durability.
• The statements: Charlie's profile suggests that Charlie would only roughly durable as Alastor once transforming into her demon form, as he is the only one at the hotel can handle Adam. Alastor's profile also states that Overlords believe that only Lucifer is enough to take him down, which further reinforces the validity of this feat.

Also note that electrified tentacles strikes can stun an off-guard Adam and the latter had to defend against them, which makes Alastor more durable than what is used to upscale his durability (lmao)

What exactly are you suggesting here? That the thing that didn't withstand the attack actually be added as a durability feat? It broke. It didn't withstand anything. His staff broke from the attack, and then Alastor was put on his ass and ****** up beyond belief from the hit.

You don't scale to something that ****** up you so bad that the vees, people you treated as jokes prior, could throw hands with you and actually put up a fight.

• Flight, Intangibility and Teleportation: As a shadow, Alastor gains hyper-maneuverabilty, as shown he can both teleport and fly at the same time, while turning incorporeal
  • Possession and Matter Manipulation: Can merge with the environment and attack Vox via it.
• Flight: As seen multiple times in his battle with Vox and Shok.wav's pursuit
• Surface Scaling and Acrobatics: "Iceskated" on skycraper walls as if it was the ground. Is demonstrated to have incredible mobility as he can perform backflips/somersaults to dodge Shok.wav, even when standing on a wall.
• Weapon Creation: Summoned spikes out of darkness that can pierce through metal.

It's not technically teleportation at all. It's just him moving very fast as a shadow. He isn't instantly going to one place to another.

Disagree with posssession and matter manipulation. That's just simply not possession. it's him causing an explosion.

Disagree with flight. Those are him jumping up into the air, which is not flight, as you can see him grounded seconds later. Even in the shok.wav persuit he's jumping from building to building.

Surface scaling is fine.

Weapon creation is fine.

Spoiler: Possible addition

Valentino and Velvette should have "higher with Magic/pistol" due to harming a weakened Alastor and destroying one of his large tentacles. Their magic attacks, and Valentino's pistol are also posed as deadly threats to other Overlords.

Lute should have Surface Scaling as seen from her performance in Gravity

Higher for val and vel is fine, since alastor is still stronger than them when weakened.

Lute doesn't have surface scaling yet? That's fine too.

 

[Mythic381]

 Feat

Some justifications for why this should be usable as a dura feat (and why Alastor should scale to the this attack)

• The width of the slash: The slashes in animation are illustrated as trails of light, the wider the slash, the more powerfully/deeply and precisely the attack hits. Adam slash is a wide cresent-shaped trail prolonging through multiple frames, showing it precisely hit Alastor and was meant to mutilate him, compared to glancing attacks such as Velvette's
• The piercing strength: Weaker slashes could slice an Exorcist in half, while Adam sloppy hits were enough to obliterate electrified tentacles, which scales to Alastor durability.
• The statements: Charlie's profile suggests that Charlie would only roughly durable as Alastor once transforming into her demon form, as he is the only one at the hotel can handle Adam. Alastor's profile also states that Overlords believe that only Lucifer is enough to take him down, which further reinforces the validity of this feat.

I don't exactly get what is being scaled here? Why is this a durability feat when it presumably did not hit Alastor and only destroyed his shadow reinforcements and his cane? And what's with the usage of Overlords believing only Lucifer is enough to take him down? Just because they do doesn't mean it's a fair supporting evidence to be used, especially when the gap between them is far.

Now, here is the sugar on the cream

• Flight, Intangibility and Teleportation: As a shadow, Alastor gains hyper-maneuverabilty, as shown he can both teleport and fly at the same time, while turning incorporeal
  • Possession and Matter Manipulation: Can merge with the environment and attack Vox via it.
• Flight: As seen multiple times in his battle with Vox and Shok.wav's pursuit
• Surface Scaling and Acrobatics: "Iceskated" on skycraper walls as if it was the ground. Is demonstrated to have incredible mobility as he can perform backflips/somersaults to dodge Shok.wav, even when standing on a wall.
• Weapon Creation: Summoned spikes out of darkness that can pierce through metal.

Agree with everything besides possession, matter manipulation and flight.

Valentino and Velvette should have "higher with Magic/pistol" due to harming a weakened Alastor and destroying one of his large tentacles. Their magic attacks, and Valentino's pistol are also posed as deadly threats to other Overlords.

Lute should have Surface Scaling as seen from her performance in Gravity

Agree with all.

 

[Polastournecis]

What exactly are you suggesting here? That the thing that didn't withstand the attack actually be added as a durability feat? It broke. It didn't withstand anything. His staff broke from the attack, and then Alastor was put on his ass and ****** up beyond belief from the hit.

I have argued with TheOrangeGuy about this before. The problem of this people assume is the axe didn't properly hit Alastor, but i have proofs that the visual showed otherwise

Imagine a tonfa getting slashed by a machete with full force, yet the attack only dent the tonfa surface a bit rather than being broken in half. This is textbook example of (piercing) durability btw

Alastor getting hacked by a full swing from Adam axe, but only left a huge gash on this torso, taking less damage than it was meant to deal (like on electrified tentacles), thus he withstood it. Plus, the axe was enlarged so extra damage for him

You don't scale to something that ****** up you so bad that the vees, people you treated as jokes prior, could throw hands with you and actually put up a fight.

Wasn't the whole point of that fight is him trying to look weak?

It's not technically teleportation at all. It's just him moving very fast as a shadow. He isn't instantly going to one place to another.

He dispersed and then remanifested, you can see there is no movement of shadow

Disagree with posssession and matter manipulation. That's just simply not possession. it's him causing an explosion.

The visual shows his silhouette clinging onto the structure, not to mention the he indeed dissolved into the environment

Disagree with flight. Those are him jumping up into the air, which is not flight, as you can see him grounded seconds later. Even in the shok.wav persuit he's jumping from building to building.

We-will-be-right-back-soon

 

[Mythic381]

I have argued with TheOrangeGuy about this before. The problem of this people assume is the axe didn't properly hit Alastor, but i have proofs that the visual showed otherwise

Why are we assuming that if the different in physicals is so huge and one cut literally put Alastor down? Alastor literally had all of this magic around him that took the hit, plus the cane was in front of him.

Imagine a tonfa getting slashed by a machete with full force, yet the attack only dent the tonfa surface a bit rather than being broken in half. This is textbook example of (piercing) durability btw

Alastor getting hacked by a full swing from Adam axe, but only left a huge gash on this torso, taking less damage than it was meant to deal (like on electrified tentacles), thus he withstood it. Plus, the axe was enlarged so extra damage for him

Why would Alastor scale to something that left a gash on him? I don't see why it being "only a gash" proves he scales to it.

Wasn't the whole point of that fight is him trying to look weak?

That doesn't justify how physically weak Alastor was during that fight, to the point he coughed blood from one hit against Valentino.

The visual shows his silhouette clinging onto the structure, not to mention the he indeed dissolved into the environment

He dissolved into the environment because he's a literal shadow. I don't see how that proves anything besides him causing an explosion, hax which he already has.

 

[Polastournecis]

Why are we assuming that if the different in physicals is so huge and one cut literally put Alastor down? Alastor literally had all of this magic around him that took the hit, plus the cane was in front of him.

I mean the second wave, Alastor got hit twice by Adam

Why would Alastor scale to something that left a gash on him? I don't see why it being "only a gash" proves he scales to it.

The point of durability is taking the impact from something, with less damage than it was meant to deal (and maximum is being unaffected/unfazed)
A plate of bullet-proof glass is an example for durability. It still cracks when the bullet collides, yet not breaking apart like normal plates of glass, hench its durability can scale to the potency of a bullet

In Alastor case, that strike was meant to be a lethal attack to him, a bisecting slash similar to those on the electrified tentacles, and not to mention that is an empowered slash. Yet, he only suffers pain and a bloody gash, serious indeed but not as almost deadly as it is supposed to be.

That doesn't justify how physically weak Alastor was during that fight, to the point he coughed blood from one hit against Valentino.

Valentino pressured his chest wound that's why

 

[Polastournecis]

You should probably put this in the discussion thread, though there are a lot of crts open rn

I would try next time

 

[Mythic381]

I mean the second wave, Alastor got hit twice by Adam

Yeah, and my point is that Alastor only got hit once when he got a huge gash on his chest and was down.

The point of durability is taking the impact from something, with less damage than it was meant to deal (and maximum is being unaffected/unfazed)
A plate of bullet-proof glass is an example for durability. It still cracks when the bullet collides, yet not breaking apart like normal plates of glass, hench its durability can scale to the potency of a bullet

In Alastor case, that strike was meant to be a lethal attack to him, a bisecting slash similar to those on the electrified tentacles, and not to mention that is an empowered slash. Yet, he only suffers pain and a bloody gash, serious indeed but not as almost deadly as it is supposed to be.

That's not the case at all for piercing feats and wouldn't fly. You don't scale to a bullet just because it made a hole through your stomach and survived.

Valentino pressured his chest wound that's why

Further proving my point...? Also he specifically hit him in the stomach.

 

[Polastournecis]

That's not the case at all for piercing feats and wouldn't fly. You don't scale to a bullet just because it made a hole through your stomach and survived.

I can say the same thing that getting stabbed and survived never makes you 9-C in durability, cuz it impaled through your body as it is supposed to do

But in the case of Alastor, the axe did pierce, yet failed to slice him despite the full power, which is what weaker attacks of it could do just with ease
Similar to hacking a tree using a fire axe. A fire axe can chop human limbs and head apart like a figure of resin relatively with ease, but it will barely scratch the tree trunk even with full force, which makes the tree dura scale to the axe cuz it withstood the AP

Further proving my point...? Also he specifically hit him in the stomach.

I did see a video about a doctor mentioning that is blunt trauma to the chest
So, i rewatched and yeah, it did touch the chest

 

[Mythic381]

I can say the same thing that getting stabbed and survived never makes you 9-C in durability, cuz it impaled through your body as it is supposed to do

How does that disprove my point? You don't scale to something that stabbed you even if you survive it, especially if the area it hit you in isn't something that guarantees killing you.

But in the case of Alastor, the axe did pierce, yet failed to slice him despite the full power, which is what weaker attacks of it could do just with ease

Yes, because Adam slashed him, he didn't outright try to slice him in half.

Similar to hacking a tree using a fire axe. A fire axe can chop human limbs and head apart like a figure of resin relatively with ease, but it will barely scratch the tree trunk even with full force, which makes the tree dura scale to the axe cuz it withstood the AP

I don't see how you're comparing a tree to a human in this situation. It's not the same as comparing the pain a human endures from a slash, and in this case the tree isn't getting properly slashed, unlike Alastor who had a huge gash on his chest.

I did see a video about a doctor mentioning that is blunt trauma to the chest

Again, my point is that it still makes him physically weaker because he gets hurt way more from even weaker hits. Alastor wouldn't have coughed up blood if that gash wasn't present. It still proves my point.

So, i rewatched and yeah, it did touch the chest

The main area that's hit is his stomach?

 

[Polastournecis]

How does that disprove my point? You don't scale to something that stabbed you even if you survive it, especially if the area it hit you in isn't something that guarantees killing you.

Who said so? Oh don't be so dramatic, i just mean i can say the same thing you said

Yes, because Adam slashed him, he didn't outright try to slice him in half.

Too bad, cuz slashes of Adam could casually slice obstacles just fine as i showed you.

Not trying doesn't change much cuz his normal axe swings were more than enough to bisect electrified tentacles (Also Adam would never let a demon survive, that's why he punished Vaggie for it. He basically got tricked into thinking Alastor is dead due to having no idea about his teleportation)

I don't see how you're comparing a tree to a human in this situation. It's not the same as comparing the pain a human endures from a slash

Because that is the closest comparison when no one in real life is able to survive bisecting slash (so i can't pull out any)

in this case the tree isn't getting properly slashed, unlike Alastor who had a huge gash on his chest.

I'm assuming the tree trunk were more dense than usual that makes it much more harder to chop down, which is not impossible in real life.

And that means he retained much less damage from a proper slash that is meant to bisect and tear flesh apart (as seen with Adam's casual swings on electrified tentacles), unless you mean slashing isn't slicing

Again, my point is that it still makes him physically weaker because he gets hurt way more from even weaker hits. Alastor wouldn't have coughed up blood if that gash wasn't present. It still proves my point.

Actually, there are several times he has vomitted blood. And yeah, i do say that wound became his weak point but that won't disprove his dura feat cuz wounds of that level are painful and all btw

The main area that's hit is his stomach?

Not wrong, but you missed a detail

Alastor didn't immediately cough up blood after a punch, he started vomitting as Valentino fist gets more pressured on his chest wound

 

[Mythic381]

Who said so? Stop being dramatic, i just mean i can say the same thing you said

fym being dramatic?

Too bad, cuz slashes of Adam could casually slice obstacles just fine as i showed you.

Literally the only thing that Adam was slicing in these fights were his shadow reinforcements which wouldn't be a valid comparison considering they're just shadows while Alastor is flesh, and his cane which was sliced by his light, not the axe itself.

Not trying doesn't change much cuz his normal axe swings were more than enough to bisect electrified tentacles

Again, shadows.

Because that is the closest comparison when no one in real life is able to survive bisecting slash (so i can't pull out any)

They don't behave like a normal human in this comparison.

I'm assuming the tree trunk were more dense than usual that makes it much more harder to chop down, which is not impossible in real life.

And that means he retained much less damage from a proper slash that is meant to bisect and tear flesh apart (as seen with Adam's casual swings on electrified tentacles), unless you mean slashing isn't slicing

...? That doesn't refute my argument? And yes, slashing isn't the same thing as slicing something in half. He only slashed him so it creates a gash across his chest.

Actually, there are several times he has vomitted blood. And yeah, i do say that wound became his weak point but that won't disprove his dura feat cuz wounds of that level are painful and all btw

No? That's not even vomiting, he's just bleeding, while in the other instance he literally coughs up the blood.

Not wrong, but you missed a detail

Alastor didn't immediately cough up blood after a punch, he started vomitting as Valentino fist gets more pressured on his chest wound

I don't see where he "pressures" it, he just punches him which he coughs up blood immediately right after. I don't know why you're even using imgur as a source when you can literally use the damn clip.

 

[Polastournecis]

fym being dramatic?

It's not to disprove your point. Simply as that (I have also edited that before but you rep the old one)

Literally the only thing that Adam was slicing in these fights were his shadow reinforcements which wouldn't be a valid comparison considering they're just shadows while Alastor is flesh, and his cane which was sliced by his light, not the axe itself.

And those shadow reinforcements do act like flesh
That's the thing

They don't behave like a normal human in this comparison.

I know, i just make that to explain how piercing resistance can be scaled to physical durability
An analogy doesn't have to always identical to the compared thing

...? That doesn't refute my argument? And yes, slashing isn't the same thing as slicing something in half. He only slashed him so it creates a gash across his chest.

Yet casual slashing still can slice something in half
Compared to whatever is this on Alastor

No? That's not even vomiting, he's just bleeding, while in the other instance he literally coughs up the blood.

*Misuse of words (Sorry)

I don't see where he "pressures" it, he just punches him which he coughs up blood immediately right after. I don't know why you're even using imgur as a source when you can literally use the damn clip.

To frames, cuz i expected you (still) ignored it again

Notice the second merged frames. Valentino stretched his fist more that it pressures the wound more, and Alastor only coughed up blood after that

 

[Mythic381]

And those shadow reinforcements do act like flesh
That's the thing

They don't, why do you think we don't see any blood or anything come out when Adam slashes them?

I know, i just make that to explain how piercing resistance can be scaled to physical durability
Not always

The example in question barely makes sense to use.

Yet casual slashing still can slice something in half
Compared to whatever is this on Alastor

That's not casual slashing though? In Alastor's case he isn't trying to slice his entire body, while he does for the tentacles due to them not being flesh and the actual size difference.

Notice the second merged frames. Valentino stretched his fist more that it pressures the wound more, and Alastor only coughed up blood after that

I don't see where that's even shown in the clip, it looks more like a rewind.

 

[Polastournecis]

They don't, why do you think we don't see any blood or anything come out when Adam slashes them?

Umm...

The example in question barely makes sense to use.

And i barely finished that line-_-

That's not casual slashing though? In Alastor's case he isn't trying to slice his entire body, while he does for the tentacles due to them not being flesh and the actual size difference.

Seems like speculation to me
Alastor's case is not exactly a slash either. It is a swing cuz it rotates in a cresent shape rather than a thin curve, and Adam has used that against tentacles before and they were ripped into fibers

Note that Adam has two attack modes with the axe:

• Slashing (Mostly one hand): Cleaner and quicker
• Swinging (Two hands; the clip above): Messy yet more destructive

I don't see where that's even shown in the clip, it looks more like a rewind.

This

 

[Polastournecis]

Disagree with flight. Those are him jumping up into the air, which is not flight, as you can see him grounded seconds later. Even in the shok.wav persuit he's jumping from building to building.

Enjoy it gentlemen!

 

[Comiphorous]

Enjoy it gentlemen!

Kay so sending me clips of, again, him jumping is not flight. The only one you can argue is flight is that first one. Being airborne from jumping and being hypermobile is not flight. Flight is flight.

That first one is the only time you could argue flight, but even then.

 

[Polastournecis]

Kay so sending me clips of, again, him jumping is not flight. The only one you can argue is flight is that first one. Being airborne from jumping and being hypermobile is not flight. Flight is flight.

That first one is the only time you could argue flight, but even then.

Fym it is jumping. You really got me confused

Just explain each image atp🫩

 

[Comiphorous]

Fym it is jumping. You really got me confused

Just explain each image atp🫩

he's being hypermobile.

the only one that you sent that wasn't him just being hypermobile and jumping was the first one, which was levitation. if you wanna give him levitation go for it but don't try to say him jumping in the ******* air is flight. the one with him impaling the trucks when he's fighting vox the very next scene you see he's grounded. so clearly he wasn't flying.

 

[Polastournecis]

he's being hypermobile.

the only one that you sent that wasn't him just being hypermobile and jumping was the first one, which was levitation. if you wanna give him levitation go for it but don't try to say him jumping in the ******* air is flight. the one with him impaling the trucks when he's fighting vox the very next scene you see he's grounded. so clearly he wasn't flying.

Ok, seriously

• Pic 2 wasn't a leap. Basically him hanging in the air (his tentacles wrapped on fragments of the big screen, not any construction so doesn't matter)
• Pic 3 was the perception. He was hovering yet the POV moves to the 3/4 view which made the ground cover the background. You can even see his coat floating
• About clip 4, fym is a leap cuz he didn't build any momentum but just "teleporting" and hanging in the mid-air
• The scene with Vox is a proof cuz they spun a round while being in mid-air. Vox also has flight in his profile btw
• Pic 5 & 6; No idea how you can interpret this is a jump. His legs wasn't on any surface, tentacles didn't hang on anything, and he even glided away from Shock.wav (Marked by the )
• Pic 7: This is the full clip. He literally pointed his staff to a direction and flew away.

To be real, did you even check my link or just immediately noticing they are the same from the videos so you don't care anymore?

 

[Comiphorous]

Pic 2 wasn't a leap. Basically him hanging in the air (his tentacles wrapped on fragments of the big screen, not any construction so doesn't matter)

you aren't going to believe it, but he gets there by jumping, you could argue he's hopping in the air (double jumpish) which i think people get flight from? or it's changed to acrobatics but typically just being in the air mid fight isn't exactly flight especially when high amounts of momentum is involved.

Pic 3 was the perception. He was hovering yet the POV moves to the 3/4 view which made the ground cover the background. You can even see his coat floating

that is him jumping in the air, before turning into a shadow and returning to the ground.

About clip 4, fym is a leap cuz he didn't build any momentum but just "teleporting" and hanging in the mid-air

just to let you know, not even a few seconds after that clip, alastor is on the ground.

The scene with Vox is a proof cuz they spun a round while being in mid-air. Vox also has flight in his profile btw

both of those scenes were done by launching each other with a shit ton of momentum (vox being hit by a truck and being launched, alastor launching himself off of his tentacles). they didn't fly at all. they're flying through the air, but it aint flight.

Pic 5 & 6; No idea how you can interpret this is a jump. His legs wasn't on any surface, tentacles didn't hang on anything, and he even glided away from Shock.wav (Marked by the )

he's jumping building to building in the entire shok.wav chase. when you take them as screenshots they look like flight but in the actual animation you can't see it as flight.

Pic 7: This is the full clip. He literally pointed his staff to a direction and flew away.

First off, not the full clip. if you actually show the full clip he jumps off the building, points his staff, still falls like normal and get's bit by shok.wav, which then begins carrying him.

 

[Polastournecis]

you aren't going to believe it, but he gets there by jumping, you could argue he's hopping in the air (double jumpish) which i think people get flight from? or it's changed to acrobatics but typically just being in the air mid fight isn't exactly flight especially when high amounts of momentum is involved.

I saw that, but jumping in the air/double jump doesn't make you can hover like that

that is him jumping in the air, before turning into a shadow and returning to the ground.

Again, jumping would never keep you floating in mid-air like that, especially with leaps of that height

just to let you know, not even a few seconds after that clip, alastor is on the ground.

Yeah, and is that a problem? He can just land down a few seconds later if he wants

It's like saying Superman doesn't have flight cuz he landed down off-screen

both of those scenes were done by launching each other with a shit ton of momentum (vox being hit by a truck and being launched, alastor launching himself off of his tentacles). they didn't fly at all. they're flying through the air, but it aint flight.

I do say they were spinning around through the air

he's jumping building to building in the entire shok.wav chase. when you take them as screenshots they look like flight but in the actual animation you can't see it as flight.

I know, that's why it had to exactly extract that frame

Shok.wav is a flying beast. Flying away from it is like driving a helicopter away from a fighter aircraft. That's why he had to combine wall walking with flight to outmaneuver it

First off, not the full clip. if you actually show the full clip he jumps off the building, points his staff, still falls like normal and get's bit by shok.wav, which then begins carrying him.

He is not falling, that's the POV. He did use it to fly here

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Bruh I wanted to do this for a long time and didn’t do it because we had too many Hazbin CRTs

 

[Polastournecis]

Bruh I wanted to do this for a long time and didn’t do it because we had too many Hazbin CRTs

No worry
Trust me
With your CRTs

 

[Polastournecis]

Bump

 

[Mythic381]

Umm...

That's not even blood? We actively see in the fight than when Adam destroys them, nothing comes out and they just slowly disappear.

Seems like speculation to me

Better than the assumption that Adam who stomps Alastor somehow couldn't cut him in half.

Alastor's case is not exactly a slash either. It is a swing cuz it rotates in a cresent shape rather than a thin curve, and Adam has used that against tentacles before and they were ripped into fibers

And you somehow don't swing to slash with an axe? Okay.

• Slashing (Mostly one hand): Cleaner and quicker
• Swinging (Two hands; the clip above): Messy yet more destructive

I don't get what the point of this is supposed to be? You aren't proving anything.

This

What? I was talking about Valentino hitting Alastor, not the Adam fight???

In the actual fight, we see that Alastor was able to lean back just enough so he doesn't get fully sliced in half anyways

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[Polastournecis]

That's not even blood? We actively see in the fight than when Adam destroys them, nothing comes out and they just slowly disappear.

And that's the thing came out
Also tentacles have durability and Alastor's scales to it

Better than the assumption that Adam who stomps Alastor somehow couldn't cut him in half.

Still make sense cuz characters can survive a heavy attack but still get stomped

And you somehow don't swing to slash with an axe? Okay.

I don't quite get this

I don't get what the point of this is supposed to be? You aren't proving anything.

In case you tell me there is no swing move. Just let you see

What? I was talking about Valentino hitting Alastor, not the Adam fight???

Wrong link. Sorry, i'm too sleepy to send another rn🫩

In the actual fight, we see that Alastor was able to lean back just enough so he doesn't get fully sliced in half anyways

(ignore the quality, I can't do this properly)

I spotted it earlier, but i don't see how this disprove my point, cuz the visual literally showed Adam's slash was a bisecting one. Adam's enlarged his axe so it makes sense that he can still tag Alastor while blocking his way

 

[Mythic381]

And that's the thing came out

Those are clearly just remains of the shadow disappearing slowly. Not some flesh.

Still make sense cuz characters can survive a heavy attack but still get stomped

You do realize there's a clear difference? Vox vs Alastor while Vox was clearly stronger, it's not to the point where Alastor can't harm Vox, which is the case in Adam vs Alastor, where Alastor could only slightly harm him.

I don't quite get this

Even if you're using an axe to just slash, you'd still be swinging in the same motion.

I spotted it earlier, but i don't see how this disprove my point, cuz the visual literally showed Adam's slash was a bisecting one. Adam's enlarged his axe so it makes sense that he can still tag Alastor while blocking his way

Just because we see there was light appearing after it, doesn't mean it was supposed to be a bisecting one? I don't see where the correlation makes sense. Him enlarging it is fair, but he still clearly leaned back enough so it doesn't do that to him, otherwise that detail would be completely unimportant.

 

[Polastournecis]

Those are clearly just remains of the shadow disappearing slowly. Not some flesh.

But doesn't mean it is less durable

You do realize there's a clear difference? Vox vs Alastor while Vox was clearly stronger, it's not to the point where Alastor can't harm Vox, which is the case in Adam vs Alastor, where Alastor could only slightly harm him.

I mean the case that a character has enough durability to withstand force of an attack that stomped him
You do realize Dura doesn't always scale to AP?

Even if you're using an axe to just slash, you'd still be swinging in the same motion.

The difference is swing uses the blade of the weapon, while a slash uses the sharp edges. It's nearly the same cuz a swing is just a charged slash after all

Another detail to distinguish the attack pattern is how Adam moved his axe. The sharp point on top is directed to Alastor, which is the charge-up for the swing attack of this weapon

Just because we see there was light appearing after it, doesn't mean it was supposed to be a bisecting one? I don't see where the correlation makes sense. Him enlarging it is fair, but he still clearly leaned back enough so it doesn't do that to him, otherwise that detail would be completely unimportant.

Umm, i would say he pretty much failed again, like him trying to block holy light with his staff and it still got him ****** up, though it did briefly save him from that attack

Swing of that width can slice an Exorcist in half btw

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

agree with everything but al dura

 

[Mythic381]

But doesn't mean it is less durable

It does. A shadow which doesn't have anything vs skin with flesh inside that will make you struggle to cut everything.

I mean the case that a character has enough durability to withstand force of an attack that stomped him
You do realize Dura doesn't always scale to AP?

Alastor can fight with on par with people that can harm him.

The difference is swing uses the blade of the weapon, while a slash uses the sharp edges. It's nearly the same cuz a swing is just a charged slash after all

It doesn't matter. The motion literally made it so he wouldn't slice him in half, paired with him leaning back.

Another detail to distinguish the attack pattern is how Adam moved his axe. The sharp point on top is directed to Alastor, which is the charge-up for the swing attack of this weapon

Why wouldn't he use the sharp point of his literal axe to slash him?

Umm, i would say he pretty much failed again, like him trying to block holy light with his staff and it still got him ****** up, though it did brief save him from that attack

No? He did succeed? Adam was going to get way more blood if Alastor hadn't leaned back making that his swing only slashed his chest.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

agree with everything but al dura

Fr the dura bit sounds like pure downplay

 

[Polastournecis]

A sincere apology for my hella lazy ass

Alastor can fight with on par with people that can harm him.

And he did harm Adam with tentacles, which the latter still have to defend and also knocked him down with an uppercut

Just not much since Adam is an Archangel, who cannot be normally harmed by demons anyway

It doesn't matter. The motion literally made it so he wouldn't slice him in half, paired with him leaning back.

The sharp point goes first, and that is the thing

Leaning a bit to evade the blade still have Alastor took the full blow, cuz he couldn't dodge anymore when the spike fixated his body

Why wouldn't he use the sharp point of his literal axe to slash him?

That...isn't designed for slashing
It is a spike to breach through defenses via stabbing (Pic 1)

No? He did succeed? Adam was going to get way more blood if Alastor hadn't leaned back making that his swing only slashed his chest.

Way more blood you mean?

S1 to S2 is a visual upgrade, so details will be showed as it is supposed to be without the limitations
Even in S1, the amount of blood drew from Alastor is still visibly far more than that from Exorcist's death, though the latter got sliced in half

Here is a more clearer shot of that axe from S2 (pic 2)

A reminder that Alastor's actual wound is actually far more huge than what we've seen, as shown with the bruised skin part around the bleeding gash (pic 3)

 

[AyOgUyS]

agree with everything, neutral on alastor dura

 

[Mythic381]

And he did harm Adam with tentacles, which the latter still have to defend and also knocked him down with an uppercut

You do realize you're proving my point? Alastor's AP scales to his Durability and vice versa.

Leaning a bit to evade the blade still have Alastor took the full blow, cuz he couldn't dodge anymore when the spike fixated his body

No it doesn't? If I was being cut by a knife and leaned back it would only graze me if I leaned back enough. Alastor's case proving that.

That...isn't designed for slashing
It is a spike to breach through defenses via stabbing (Pic 1)

Not being design for something doesn't mean it is incapable of doing it?

Even in S1, the amount of blood drew from Alastor is still visibly far more than that from Exorcist's death, though the latter got sliced in half

Exorcists are not as strong as Overlords.

Here is a more clearer shot of that axe from S2 (pic 2)

A reminder that Alastor's actual wound is actually far more huge than what we've seen, as shown with the bruised skin part around the bleeding gash (pic 3)

That literally proves nothing?