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Discussion of Instant Death

Azertyhuuh said:
I’m planning to open a thread about upgrading to Tier 1-A, and I don’t think anyone will be able to object to this topic because I’m confident about it. I can say that it will officially be upgraded to Tier 1-A with 100% certainty after this thread, without any doubt.
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You can ask knowledgeable members of the verse, see if they're interested. They might have new points to add, or might help you to fix problems if they see one. To make things easier for you when the thread is released.
 
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MrTayman616 said:
You can ask knowledgeable members of the verse, see if they're interested. They might have new points to add, or might help you to fix problems if they see one. To make things easier for you when the thread is released.
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I’ve informed some of the moderators about this matter and presented the topic to them. They said the chance of approval is very high, and I’m currently waiting for a response from a moderator with experience as well.



Here is the topic ↓

The true form of Yogiri Takatou is the End, and the End is the final thing that can be reached, because it transcends everything and nothing exists beyond it; it is the absolute dead end. The End is not something that is measured through dimensions or universes, because it inherently surpasses all of that. For example, no matter how many dimensions there are, whether infinite or all possible ones, you cannot reach it or go beyond it, because it is the End. Here we are speaking about the End itself, since it is the last thing and nothing exists after it. Things such as concepts, reality itself, and everything contained within reality cannot surpass the End, because it is the dead end beyond which nothing exists. Therefore, its true form (the End) is something entirely external and is classified as Tier 1-A due to its nature as the End, since nothing within reality not even reality itself can reach it, because reaching it would mean the end of the thing itself, and it cannot be surpassed. No matter how many dimensions are added, in short, no amount of quantitative superiority has any relevance, because the End is the absolute dead end beyond which nothing exists; reality and all possible dimensions terminate at the End, and the end of something is equivalent to its nonexistence, because it has ended. Moreover, the End transcends the story itself within the novel, as its existence surpasses the narrative itself; it is the End. Even before the story began, it already existed as the End, because it is the End.

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There is a character who is outside all Dimensions in IaP but she is only rated as BDE Type 1

You should clarify if Yogiri is superior to dimensionality as a whole

Just saying
 
BoastJr said:
There is a character who is outside all Dimensions in IaP but she is only rated as BDE Type 1

You should clarify if Yogiri is superior to dimensionality as a whole

Just saying
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No, that's a separate matter. The existence beyond dimensions or outside dimensions does not place you at Tier 1-A.

I am talking about the End, and by its very nature, the End transcends everything, and it cannot be surpassed. There is nothing beyond it; it is the dead end. This is completely different from what you're talking about and has no relation to it. The End transcends all of these things. When you mention the term "End," there can be nothing after it, right? This is the concept here. For example, even if there were an infinite number of dimensions or all possible dimensions, and everything contained within reality, none of this surpasses the End or even comes close to it. No matter how much quantitative superiority exists, it cannot surpass the End. Reaching the End means the end of the thing itself, which is why the End is the dead end beyond which nothing exists.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Here is the topic ↓

The true form of Yogiri Takatou is the End, and the End is the final thing that can be reached, because it transcends everything and nothing exists beyond it; it is the absolute dead end. The End is not something that is measured through dimensions or universes, because it inherently surpasses all of that. For example, no matter how many dimensions there are, whether infinite or all possible ones, you cannot reach it or go beyond it, because it is the End. Here we are speaking about the End itself, since it is the last thing and nothing exists after it. Things such as concepts, reality itself, and everything contained within reality cannot surpass the End, because it is the dead end beyond which nothing exists. Therefore, its true form (the End) is something entirely external and is classified as Tier 1-A due to its nature as the End, since nothing within reality not even reality itself can reach it, because reaching it would mean the end of the thing itself, and it cannot be surpassed. No matter how many dimensions are added, in short, no amount of quantitative superiority has any relevance, because the End is the absolute dead end beyond which nothing exists; reality and all possible dimensions terminate at the End, and the end of something is equivalent to its nonexistence, because it has ended. Moreover, the End transcends the story itself within the novel, as its existence surpasses the narrative itself; it is the End. Even before the story began, it already existed as the End, because it is the End.
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i don't think this is work tbh, maybe u should make the cosmology revision first..

just giving advice..
 
I have just received approval from one of the officials privately, and I discussed the matter with a fan here who is more experienced in Instant Death. They agreed with this topic. What do you think about it? Now I have a chance since even the official agrees.




The topic will be about promoting the Great Sage to 1A along with Yugiri, of course.

We have evidence proving that the entire world is just a dream seen by the Great Sage, and that his existence surpasses the world qualitatively. What we see in the work is only a symbolic representation that he creates within his dream.

Evidence ↓

On top of that, we were killing people all over the world," Haruto explained. "Though we personally didn't accomplish much, Zakuro wiped out most major cities. In short, the world was basically doomed."

Using her subordinates, the UEG had made quite a bit of progress in wiping out all life in the world.

"Huh? So does that mean the Great Sage saved the world?!" Tomochika asked.

"If the Great Sage is responsible for this, then yes," Sion answered. "I am not familiar with my grandfather's exact powers, but according to the rumors, this world is effectively a dream that he is seeing."

Volume 12 Chapter 3
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The tear in space began to mend. Even the woman who had been sliced in two returned to normal. It was like time was rewinding just for everything the sword had touched.

"What the...hell... How did you do that?!"

"It's pretty simple. This world is a dream that I'm seeing. You and your sword are nothing more than parts of my imagination. So even if it looks like you're destroying the world on the surface, you can't actually get to the core of it. It would be weird if you, no more than a character in my dream, could destroy the dream itself, right?"

"There's no way that's true. How many worlds do you think I've traveled through? Ten thousand doesn't even come close. A hundred million might be getting there. Are you telling me those were all a dream?!

There's no way that's possible!"

Though he had entirely forgotten most of them, he knew full well that he had experienced countless worlds. Even the ones he remembered defied counting. He couldn't believe all of that had been part of the Great Sage's dream.

Volume 14 Chapter 23
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This world is nothing more than your dream," Alexia replied. "You can do with it as you please. No one can blame you for any decision you make, as you are the world itself."

Volume 13 Chapter 4
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I discussed the argument that claimed his power came from the amount of strength he received from the gods, and both the official and the expert agreed with me in refuting this claim.

The evidence and the reason ↓

If the Great Sage is responsible for this, then yes," Sion answered. "I am not familiar with my grandfather's exact powers, but according to the rumors, this world is effectively a dream that he is seeing."

"Uh...what?" Tomochika said. "What do you mean 'a dream he is seeing'? I don't get it at all!"

"I also laughed it off as impossible when I first heard it. No matter how powerful he may be, the fact that I was alive and thinking made it impossible to believe I was a part of someone else's dream. However, now that I have seen this situation, I cannot help but believe that it could be true; hence, the explanation I gave to all of you earlier."

"Saying that we dreamed it all is totally different than saying we're in someone else's dream though!"

Hmm...there are similar stories harking back to ancient times, such as myths that the world is the shell of a clam or the dream of a dragon.

"What can we even do, then?! We're all just sitting in the palm of his hands!" Tomochika cried.

Volume 12 Chapter 3.
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In this context, their astonishment appears at the fact that everything is nothing but a dream imagined by the Great Sage, and from this context, their fear of him is evident. In the end, they say that we are in the palm of his hand. In short, the idea of this context is that it highlights the Great Sage’s danger and everyone’s fear of him, not because of his strength, but because everything is just a dream he sees, leaving them with nothing they can do, and they say that we are sitting in the palm of his hand.

On top of that, we were killing people all over the world," Haruto explained. "Though we personally didn't accomplish much, Zakuro wiped out most major cities. In short, the world was basically doomed."

Using her subordinates, the UEG had made quite a bit of progress in wiping out all life in the world.

"Huh? So does that mean the Great Sage saved the world?!" Tomochika asked.

"If the Great Sage is responsible for this, then yes," Sion answered. "I am not familiar with my grandfather's exact powers, but according to the rumors, this world is effectively a dream that he is seeing."

Volume 12 Chapter 3
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In contexts, it is always indicated that the Great Sage’s state as a person who dreams the entire world is the problem that terrified them. They had nothing they could do against him; everyone was merely a game in his hands.

You said it. But this sword alone is uniquely sharp. I can't say there's anything it's ever been unable to cut. It's honestly so good at it, it ends up cutting things I didn't want to."

"I see. So you think it'll be able to cut me too?"

"Lord Mitsuki! That man is telling the truth!" The woman beside the Great Sage began to panic. "That sword is an exception in the Ultimate Ensemble World!"

"So am I, right?"

"True, but..."

"What, are you scared? If you dodge, you lose," Kyuuzaburou said. Dodging the slash would mean nothing. The world would still be split in two and destroyed. But he wanted to see the Great Sage's shock when he was cut in two, so he tried to provoke him anyway.

"Sure. I'll take your challenge," the Great Sage replied with a bright smile. Kyuuzaburou felt like he would lose his trust in people if the Great Sage dodged it now.

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All right, let's do this." Kyuuzaburou swung the sword in a wide sweep from right to left. It was a huge swing, though still far too distant to actually reach its target. He didn't know at exactly what point the sword's special properties began to apply, but as the tip passed by his own side, it started to slice through space itself.

The world itself was coming apart. The woman jumped in front of the blade as if to protect the Great Sage, stretching out her hands to create a barrier. But there was no way a barrier like that would save them. The blade was already slicing through space itself and therefore had no issue passing through the barrier and the woman herself. Her face twisted in shock. She had known full well what the sword was, but it seemed she still hadn't fully believed in its power before seeing it for herself.

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In short, what counted as rare and exceptional in one world was perfectly natural in another, but there were still things that counted as exceptional in all worlds. These were referred to as "exceptions." The name was nothing special, only enough to evoke the intended meaning within the proper context. There were few enough such phenomena that they needed no special name. None were particularly impressive on their own, notable only for having a characteristic that was applicable across all worlds.

Volume 14 Chapter 4
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Finally, the context that convinced the officials themselves and the last argument, the exceptions were distinguished only by possessing a trait that applies to all worlds and Kyozaburo’s sword and the Great Sage are among these exceptions and they have a trait that applies to all worlds in the Final Group and the trait that Kyozaburo’s sword possesses is that it can cut anything and destroy any world no matter what in the worlds of the group and this trait that distinguishes the sword and applies to all worlds in the Final Group there was no way to stop it and there was nothing it could not cut and this is its trait and as for the Great Sage he possessed a trait which is that he dreams the entire world as mentioned above and his dream can act upon any world in the Final Group and Kyozaburo had previously mentioned that he traveled through millions no, countless, literally uncountable worlds and all of those worlds were part of the Great Sage’s dream and this is the evidence that clarifies and refutes the gods’ argument in addition to the contexts above.

You have this context and you have the context that points to the characters’ fear of his state as a person who dreams everything and their fear and their helplessness and their understanding that they are merely a game in his hands only and also we have the Great Sage is one of the exceptions and these exceptions have a trait that applies to all worlds in the Final Group and the Great Sage’s trait was that he dreams the entire world.​
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So, let’s begin with your story. As for what happened, it is very simple. You lost to Takato Yogiri. Your bullet did not reach Takato Yogiri.
“I see… this is interesting! It was worth coming out for! I didn’t expect this to happen!”
“You seem very calm for someone who lost.”
It is just a dream in the end. It is like a game that can be restarted at any time. You wouldn’t panic every time the player character dies in a game, would you?
“Pfft… ahahahahaha!”

Volume 14, Chapter 17
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If you’re asking, then I can only answer. I’ll tell you. Takato Yogiri severed the connection between you and the world.”
“…What… does that mean…?”

He didn’t understand. He knew how to kill a living being. He could barely grasp how to kill a phenomenon like gravity. But what did it mean to kill a link?

Imagine the world were someone’s dream—how could one escape its influence? You would have to cut your connection to the dream. You would have to lose the ability to manipulate it freely. That is probably what Takato Yogiri thought.
“…What does that mean…?”
I mentioned a game analogy earlier. With that analogy, it’s as if your controller is broken. In other words, you can’t do anything anymore.


And he slowly began to understand.
He began to understand what was happening.
And when he understood what it meant, a feeling of terror began to rise within her.

Volume 14, Chapter 17
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Mitsuki has become a being that exists only to support the world and merely observe his dream.

Volume 14, Chapter 17
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In short, Yogiri severed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, which made the Great Sage merely a conscious existence without freedom over his dream and left him only to observe his dream without the ability to control it. The Great Sage explained to us that it is similar to a game: the death of your character in a game means nothing because at first he did not understand and began to laugh. He thought at first that Yogiri only killed his symbolic image shown in the dream, but in reality, Yogiri killed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, making him a being that exists solely to support and observe his dream. The god Koryu compared it to a person who only has the ability to control the game. The Great Sage’s existence is always external because he is the dreamer and creates symbolic images within his dream. The reason Yogiri killed the connection between the dream and the dreamer is that killing the dreamer means the end of the dream, and if the dream ends, it means the end of everything. This is what led Yogiri to open the third gate to fight the link between the dream and the dreamer, leaving him as a conscious existence supporting the world only and observing his dream without the ability to control it. The Great Sage’s existence is necessary because everything is merely a dream he sees, but Yogiri severed only the link, leaving him unable to control it while keeping him alive to support the dream’s existence so that everything continues without him being able to do anything.

That is everything, and the experts and the official have agreed. Soon I will open a topic about this matter.




  • Great Sage 1A.
  • Yogiri Takato 1A.
@SweetDao Do you have any objection to this topic?
 
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Azertyhuuh said:
I have just received approval from one of the officials privately, and I discussed the matter with a fan here who is more experienced in Instant Death. They agreed with this topic. What do you think about it? Now I have a chance since even the official agrees.




The topic will be about promoting the Great Sage to 1A along with Yugiri, of course.

We have evidence proving that the entire world is just a dream seen by the Great Sage, and that his existence surpasses the world qualitatively. What we see in the work is only a symbolic representation that he creates within his dream.

Evidence ↓





I discussed the argument that claimed his power came from the amount of strength he received from the gods, and both the official and the expert agreed with me in refuting this claim.

The evidence and the reason ↓



In this context, their astonishment appears at the fact that everything is nothing but a dream imagined by the Great Sage, and from this context, their fear of him is evident. In the end, they say that we are in the palm of his hand. In short, the idea of this context is that it highlights the Great Sage’s danger and everyone’s fear of him, not because of his strength, but because everything is just a dream he sees, leaving them with nothing they can do, and they say that we are sitting in the palm of his hand.



In contexts, it is always indicated that the Great Sage’s state as a person who dreams the entire world is the problem that terrified them. They had nothing they could do against him; everyone was merely a game in his hands.





Finally, the context that convinced the officials themselves and the last argument, the exceptions were distinguished only by possessing a trait that applies to all worlds and Kyozaburo’s sword and the Great Sage are among these exceptions and they have a trait that applies to all worlds in the Final Group and the trait that Kyozaburo’s sword possesses is that it can cut anything and destroy any world no matter what in the worlds of the group and this trait that distinguishes the sword and applies to all worlds in the Final Group there was no way to stop it and there was nothing it could not cut and this is its trait and as for the Great Sage he possessed a trait which is that he dreams the entire world as mentioned above and his dream can act upon any world in the Final Group and Kyozaburo had previously mentioned that he traveled through millions no, countless, literally uncountable worlds and all of those worlds were part of the Great Sage’s dream and this is the evidence that clarifies and refutes the gods’ argument in addition to the contexts above.

You have this context and you have the context that points to the characters’ fear of his state as a person who dreams everything and their fear and their helplessness and their understanding that they are merely a game in his hands only and also we have the Great Sage is one of the exceptions and these exceptions have a trait that applies to all worlds in the Final Group and the Great Sage’s trait was that he dreams the entire world.​
​




In short, Yogiri severed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, which made the Great Sage merely a conscious existence without freedom over his dream and left him only to observe his dream without the ability to control it. The Great Sage explained to us that it is similar to a game: the death of your character in a game means nothing because at first he did not understand and began to laugh. He thought at first that Yogiri only killed his symbolic image shown in the dream, but in reality, Yogiri killed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, making him a being that exists solely to support and observe his dream. The god Koryu compared it to a person who only has the ability to control the game. The Great Sage’s existence is always external because he is the dreamer and creates symbolic images within his dream. The reason Yogiri killed the connection between the dream and the dreamer is that killing the dreamer means the end of the dream, and if the dream ends, it means the end of everything. This is what led Yogiri to open the third gate to fight the link between the dream and the dreamer, leaving him as a conscious existence supporting the world only and observing his dream without the ability to control it. The Great Sage’s existence is necessary because everything is merely a dream he sees, but Yogiri severed only the link, leaving him unable to control it while keeping him alive to support the dream’s existence so that everything continues without him being able to do anything.

That is everything, and the experts and the official have agreed. Soon I will open a topic about this matter.




  • Great Sage 1A.
  • Yogiri Takato 1A.
@SweetDao Do you have any objection to this topic?
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Hate to break it to you but this is the same meta you used that already got rejected. Can’t you use another meta for 1A? Given infinity apparently dosnt exist in the verse they can’t get tier 2 ratings
 
Maniaunavailable said:
Hate to break it to you but this is the same meta you used that already got rejected. Can’t you use another meta for 1A? Given infinity apparently dosnt exist in the verse they can’t get tier 2 ratings
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The argument that infinity does not exist has been refuted by me and has been approved by 4 officials
 
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The argument that infinity does not exist has been refuted by me and has been approved by 4 officials
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Just the implication not the concept itself iirc, and it was just range not actual AP. Yogiri is still at solar system level should you try to get him out of there before trying to get 1A


And as for the 1A argument it’s just subjective reality, it isn’t close to 1A
 
Maniaunavailable said:
Just the implication not the concept itself iirc, and it was just range not actual AP. Yogiri is still at solar system level should you try to get him out of there before trying to get 1A


And as for the 1A argument it’s just subjective reality, it isn’t close to 1A
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More than one staff member has already agreed with what I said, and as for the self-reality issue you’re talking about, it has no relation here, and the same staff member told me this.

If a character considers the world to be merely a dream they are seeing, then they qualify for Tier 1A, and he told me that this is not subjective reality but something external and one of the types of qualitative superiority mentioned on the page about transcending reality and fiction ↓

Potential mediums for viewing a cosmology as fiction include: written media (Books or stories), images (Paintings, comics, or movies), data (Simulations or video games), or mental constructs (thoughts or dreams). All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority. Note that the medium is usually a representation or container for the fiction on a higher plane and not necessarily the fiction in itself.
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Azertyhuuh said:
More than one staff member has already agreed with what I said, and as for the self-reality issue you’re talking about, it has no relation here, and the same staff member told me this.

If a character considers the world to be merely a dream they are seeing, then they qualify for Tier 1A, and he told me that this is not subjective reality but something external and one of the types of qualitative superiority mentioned on the page about transcending reality and fiction ↓
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This same exact words and meta were debunked by 3-4 officials, just saying they see them as a dream isn’t enough for R>F. That’s literally on the FAQ. I wouldn’t try to use this meta again, also can you post this CRT on march or did u asked to be posted on this month? Given ur conditions
 
interesting how popular or heated instant death is in these debates. probably even more intense than slime isekai debates. maybe because hax is anti vsbattle/powerscalers, it can't make sense to those who areN'T fans of their hax abilities. if we want to T0 these characters like wang ling, Saitama, and Yogiri etc, we'd need a different or more creative approach since these characters just make fun of powerscaling characters. These hax characters put others below them by providing opponents with similar characteristics and abilities to known powerscalers like superman or goku. The thing is most hax characters immediately execute these powerscalers without providing enough time or in depth analysis in order to prove their feats and abilities for the sake of a joke or sarcasm because that's the point of making fun of the targeted trope. i'd suggest to create a completely seperate forum where hax scaling can make more sense or as much sense as they can to the other half of all powerscaling fans. After all their hax abilities even influenced media to this degree. xD btw, I even hope X from to be hero X is beyond universal even though he's never shown himself literally destroying a world yet. i mean X does snap and manipulate dimensions and reality. The power system in tbhX seem to be infinite in potential. interestingly enough, X's ability scales higher than that system LOL. I'd like to draw the parallel from X's case to Yogiri's case to say Takatou Yogiri is also scaling higher than the various power systems jokingly referenced in his story.
 
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interesting how popular or heated instant death is in these debates. probably even more intense than slime isekai debates. maybe because hax is anti vsbattle/powerscalers, it can't make sense to fans of their hax abilities. if we want to T0 these characters like wang ling, Saitama, and Yogiri etc, we'd need a different or more creative approach since these characters just make fun of powerscaling characters. These hax characters put others below them by providing opponents with similar characteristics and abilities to known powerscalers like superman or goku. The thing is most hax characters immediately execute these powerscalers without providing enough time or in depth analysis in order to prove their feats and abilities for the sake of a joke or sarcasm because that's the point of making fun of the targeted trope. i'd suggest to create a completely seperate forum where hax scaling can make more sense or as much sense as they can to the other half of all powerscaling fans. After all their hax abilities even influenced media to this degree. xD btw, I even hope X from to be hero X is beyond universal even though he's never shown himself literally destroying a world yet. i mean X does snap and manipulate dimensions and reality. The power system in tbhX seem to be infinite in potential. interestingly enough, X's ability scales higher than that system LOL. I'd like to draw the parallel from X's case to Yogiri's case to say Takatou Yogiri is also scaling higher than the various power systems jokingly referenced in his story.
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it exists its called PSW
 
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Instant Death vs Honkai Impact 3rd From a world frozen by sacrifice… walks a man who gave up everything for a future that may never come. Cold. Unyielding. Every step… driven by a promise he refuses to break. Power forged to end a cycle… no matter the cost. Humanity’s final answer… Kevin...
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