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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread
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No I agree that there should be a cut off of scaling, Season 2 characters imo should not be anywhere near the same tier as Demon King level characters. Makes no sense now we have Howzer and Fiddich in the same tier as the Demon King…
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I also agree with this. Since I'm watching the anime and reading the manga online, it feels weird to imagine the character going from tier tier 7 to tier 4.
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I checked the profile, Howzer is 4-B because he beat some ancient dragon that Percival placed above the talisman's. Although, based on what he says it doesn't seem like he's comparing them in anyway, just that he can beat both of them.
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Does Carther feel too underwhelming?
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The whole fight overall has been pretty boring… the villains are very disappointing.
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So I actually went back to check the feat for the Demon King and noticed something about the "starry sky" and the whole feat in general. It's just Zeldris explaining about the Behemoth and the claimed starry sky is just drawn stars and not like little dots. We're using a descriptive scene/imagery of something as an actual feat for the calc. The Behemoth shown is even completely different from the actual one, further emphasizing that's it's imagery.
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it literally breaks your scaling lol,
demon mark post revival meliodas is already at least 16x base galand using the funky multiplier the site uses
and ur claiming 50% DK is only 10x galand? (or even less)
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also... 4B, at least for non-god tiers, absolutely annihilates any narrative NNT ever had, we literally have god tiers boasting about destroying brittania (possibly earth, i will give u that) and yall are handing out 4B to the weakest characters
how did this even pass? do we not take the narratives into consideration anymore? we cant just list someone as 4B when they're repeatedly shown and implied to be nowhere near that level
how did this even pass? do we not take the narratives into consideration anymore? we cant just list someone as 4B when they're repeatedly shown and implied to be nowhere near that level
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You shouldnt have just dismissed this when I mentioned it earlier. The conversation always comes back to this
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Its getting boring
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The big-hearted damage is only written when someone buries the verse deep in the ground
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Obviously, we have two accepted 5A calculations, and these scale from the behemoth. Since I doubt the OG demon can defeat the behemoth, it wouldn't be absurd to scale it to the behemoth's split-second movements. What if high-tiers stayed at 5A (the lowest calculation we have after 4B), and mid-tiers scaled to 5B using the other lower-tier 5A calculation? (God-tiers should stay at 4B). This is about the fifth time I've written this on the wiki.
Nobody (including me) is happy with the scaling of everything except the god tier to 4B; it seems like the only solution. If anyone has a better idea, please share.
Nobody (including me) is happy with the scaling of everything except the god tier to 4B; it seems like the only solution. If anyone has a better idea, please share.
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Is it too high? Is that really the only problem for you? If so, I disagree with every single bit. How can you call a calculation that describes a creature capable of almost destroying a planet with just a roar, and weighing only half the size of our Earth, "high"?
Wouldn't it be absurd to say "5A is still too much" to someone who performed the 5A-5B feat simply by moving and roaring?
Also, if we disagree these feats, the next feat is Gilthunder's 7A, and everyone is scaling it. Do you think characters like OG Demon who one-shots Base Escanor, or characters like the Ten Commandments and Four Archangels, are 7A?
Furthermore, we're not adding anything to the scaling chain. The manga states that DK distributes 50% of his power to 10 high-level demons, declaring this a strategy. SD does the same, giving 4 graces to 4 archangels. In a Q&A, Nakaba explains how these graces and COMs work. For example, if you have 50,000 PL and COMs are 5,000 PL, when you assimilate them you have 55,000 PL.
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u almost got my point!
its too high for fodders to scale to, not that im questioning the feat itself
"then the entire verse scales to the same 7A feat!" yeah exactly im telling u the scaling is ass
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4KoA sins should be High 3-A with Lake scaling, god tiers in 7DS should be 4-B and others are 5-B.
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Honestly, characters like Tarmiel, Sariel, Estrarossa, Derieri, Cusack, and Chandler arent ordinary characters; I don't see any problem with giving them a 5A rating. For characters like Fiddich, Macduff and Howzer, a 5B rating is sufficient. Additionally, although not yet added, 7ds members should have 4koa profiles created, with high tiers being 4A and god tiers being 4A-H3a. Because even 13-year-old Lancelot surpasses Nemesis's attack (7ds's combo attack). Base Meliodas, Ban, and Carthuru are being bullied and treated like nobody.
Dude, ik. It's been 6 years since 4koa launched, and we still have missing profiles."then the entire verse scales to the same 7A feat!" yeah exactly im telling u the scaling is ass
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Dude, DK is nothing anymore. 13-year-old Lancelot has long surpassed the Nemesis attack that destroyed DK.
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if we being forreal that attack only killed him cuz his host was the land and not a compatible body
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We feels weird for characters having gazzilions times different gap is lowkey powerscaler issue though, i don't really think most authors even care or aware about that issue
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That’s when outliers come into play but no one likes to use that anymore
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yea?
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Unless they are boxing with Full Power Chaos or Full Power Lancelot then no
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Killing him doesn't mean anything; the power of the attack already far exceeds all bounds.
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and that correlates to my point how?
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I’m really neutral on the 4-B scaling, however I don’t see the problems with the feat on its own, and it’s certainly can’t be an outlier because there’s two separate feats that are on the level.
I guess the only gripes would be the ues
I guess the only gripes would be the ues
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that and the excessive use of multiplier downscaling
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Because the basis of scaling is DK, everyone scales according to DK. I remember byasura doing it back then, he was probably one of the first 7ds admins (I wasn't actively using it even when I didn't have an account), and for some reason nobody had any problems when everyone was scaling to L5b and downscaling from 50% DK.
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I dont think this is a UES situation. We ve seen this a lot in the later chaps the relation between magic, darkness, and physical strength.
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