Giselle Gewelle Downgrade

[Crobatman44]

Toshiro isn't normally Halibel level anyway. Doesn't Halibel still have higher AP? Also, even if they had the same values, Ikkaku and Yumichika don't scale to either Toshiro or Komamura.

Besides these, I can also use the following scaling from the novel:

Base Halibel > Base Liltotto > Cang Du <~~ Toshiro = Zombie Toshiro >>> Ikkaku & Yumichika

If you looked at the profile,you would see that second invasion/zombie Toshiro is in a complety separate scaling chain and value that is far above Halibel is what i meant.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

What's been concluded here so far?

Currently, the arguments are as follows:

They argue that because of a statement in a Q&A, Giselle > Bambietta ~~ Komamura, and that Giselle is at least captain level, therefore they don't agree with the downgrade.

I, on the other hand, argue that the feats contradict this statement and that there are anti-feats that portray Giselle as being below captain level.

For now, I ONLY agree with the argument that the amount of blood is a condition for turning someone into a zombie. Apart from that, I still stand by my other points.

I think the others haven't changed their minds either.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

If you looked at the profile,you would see that second invasion/zombie Toshiro is in a complety separate scaling chain and value that is far above Halibel is what i meant.

So why do we consider her stronger than before? In the Bleach universe, even 4 months is far too short a time to gain strength. It was mentioned in a Q&A that Toshiro's height increase could boost his strength, but I remember his height didn't increase during the second invasion.

And even if that were the case, Giselle still has anti-feats against characters like Shikai Ikkaku, Shikai Yumichika, and Zombie Kensei, so the scaling isn't quite right.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I will say Bambietta is a very inconsistent character. First she beats Shinji and Komamura, with an implication that her Vollstandig is stronger than Komamura's Bankai. Then Bambietta is weaker not only than Toshiro, but even Charlotte. Shinigami captains do suddenly go from weaker to stronger out of nowhere in TYBW, think Shunsui losing against Robert and then later fighting Lille. Difficult to draw any consistent conclusions from.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I will say Bambietta is a very inconsistent character. First she beats Shinji and Komamura, with an implication that her Vollstandig is stronger than Komamura's Bankai. Then Bambietta is weaker not only than Toshiro, but even Charlotte. Shinigami captains do suddenly go from weaker to stronger out of nowhere in TYBW, think Shunsui losing against Robert and then later fighting Lille. Difficult to draw any consistent conclusions from.

I'm also thinking of downgrading Robert. Besides that, Bambietta's zombie form is much weaker than her living form because she became a zombie after she died. Those who become zombies while alive are equal in strength to their living counterparts. The amount of blood Giselle gave them is also important. That's why her zombie form was much weaker than her form fighting Komamura. But despite all that, Zombie Bambietta > Giselle.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

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[Infinite9Luck]

First, TYBW AP. Based on the translation of the video, I disagree with the idea that Giselle doesn't have the combat capability of a Captain. Unless raws says something different, to me, she is talking about her actual ability not being something that works in a similar manner to the Power and the Glutton, that being killing with the power. And we do see her tactic is to control them, then kill as opposed to just kill. Still, that is just my interpretation, so it's understandable if that doesn't make sense. Second, she was stated to have better combat capabilities while using Blut to fight compared to alive Bambi in Klub Outside (currently on her profile). This would mean Bambi is weaker than a Captain, which contradict the anime and manga with her fight against Sajin in the first invasion. Third, and perhaps most important, this is a quote from Giselle after she lost a decent chunk of power from Yhwach's vacuum. I see no reason why this has to be applied to her TYBW key, especially since we have no idea how much weaker she got. Fourth, and maybe this doesn't matter, but I don't see how her ability to not turn someone because they have Captain level power means she's weaker, as it could be a limitation of her ability like how she can't use it on Quincies. Maybe her ability requires the opponent to be weakened first? This last point is more guesswork than substantial proof though, so you can ignore it. But we do have examples in universe such as Kido that is hard to break from one side but extremely easy from another, but again, speculation.

Second, LS. I have no opinions on anything involving LS and Speed rn, so whatever

Third, CFYOW Giselle. These keys are terrible rn, but for that matter, I could easily see CFYOW Giselle having an Unknown rating due to her power loss.

I pretty much agree with this

 

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