DanMachi/Sword Oratoria/Familia Chronicle/Heroic Myth Discussion Thread

[Peter1129]

How fast is moving faster than the eye can see again? Also I believe Ariel had a statement of doubling Aiz’s speed near the beginning of SO1. So if worst comes to worst we can just treat each level up as a 2x amp in speed for movement at least since Ariel is a level boost.

Though didn’t Bell cause like a sonic boom as a mid level 1 in the manga? Or was that just some weird cone thing showing Bell moving really fast?

And technically from being like a new level 2 to the peak of level 2 the gap should also be greater than a level boost so I guess we can also double speed that way as well. Although that brings up the other problem of AP technically functioning the same way. So which route should we choose?

Level up & max stat = 10x AP & 2x speed

Or

Only level up = 10x AP & 2x speed

And max stat is treated as an unknown gap that could or could not be greater than 10x AP & 2x speed?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

How fast is moving faster than the eye can see again? Also I believe Ariel had a statement of doubling Aiz’s speed near the beginning of SO1. So if worst comes to worst we can just treat each level up as a 2x amp in speed for movement at least since Ariel is a level boost.

Though didn’t Bell cause like a sonic boom as a mid level 1 in the manga? Or was that just some weird cone thing showing Bell moving really fast?

And technically from being like a new level 2 to the peak of level 2 the gap should also be greater than a level boost so I guess we can also double speed that way as well. Although that brings up the other problem of AP technically functioning the same way. So which route should we choose?

Level up & max stat = 10x AP & 2x speed

Or

Only level up = 10x AP & 2x speed

And max stat is treated as an unknown gap that could or could not be greater than 10x AP & 2x speed?

Reactions and Perceptions

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[Peter1129]

Reactions and Perceptions

In fiction, movement over long distances and movement over short distances - which can be dubbed "combat distances" - tend to be remarkably different for different characters, resulting in serious discrepancies when considering their overall speed. On this wiki, we therefore differentiate...

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Guess we might have some low Mach speed from level 2 onwards.

Also do these count as speed of sound movement?

If it does then this would make everybody mid level 1 onwards Mach 1. New Level 2s would be Mach 2 or whatever tier moving FTE would be if it’s higher than Mach 2.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Guess we might have some low Mach speed from level 2 onwards.

Also do these count as speed of sound movement?

If it does then this would make everybody mid level 1 onwards Mach 1. New Level 2s would be Mach 2 or whatever tier moving FTE would be if it’s higher than Mach 2.

Mach Cone Qualifications

Both laser and lightning bolts have info on their pages on what qualifies and disqualifies them being their respective speed, but what about if shockwaves are meant to be sonic booms or not? I recently made a calc assuming a shockwave was a mach cone and was told I need more proof of it being...

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This thread could help. In general, the qualifications for Mach cones seem fairly strict.

 

[Marciooblo]

btw stats aside it might be best for us to just start with the general profile for someone like Bell

like if getting calcs is so difficult atm then might be best to focus on the other things such as Bell's powers and abilities, resistances, stamina, equipment, intelligence and weaknessess. If we can't get proper calcs atm then that's the other thing we should focus just as much since they don't require calcs

 

[Peter1129]

btw stats aside it might be best for us to just start with the general profile for someone like Bell

like if getting calcs is so difficult atm then might be best to focus on the other things such as Bell's powers and abilities, resistances, stamina, equipment, intelligence and weaknessess. If we can't get proper calcs atm then that's the other thing we should focus just as much since they don't require calcs

Well this thread already got two staff approvals so it can already be added onto the profile. All except for Supernatural Willpower that is. Also abnormal resistance should grant resistance to a lot of stuff. We probably need to go and search for some of those resistances. But from what I recall Abnormal Resistance can grant resistance to things like charm, poison, absolute zero, etc.

Also frozen time feats are pretty fast weren't they? Cause iirc Lefiya's Arc's Ray traveled 200 meters before Aiz's sword swing had any change in movement whatsoever when the Titan Alm Demi Spirit had its Icicle Edge point blank in Aiz's face. And 1st tier adventurers can react to, block, and even dodge her Arcs Ray but just couldn't evade it due to its homing properties eventually hitting them. So the speed of Arcs Ray could probably be scalable to level 5s if we ever decide to not use Bell's Firebolt = SoL statement.

 

[Marciooblo]

if I'm mistaken isn't there a scene of aisha shrugging off amphisbaena fire in the anime which previous melted Ouka's shield? I'm assuming that would fall under abnormal resistance towards burn but I'm not sure

also I wasn't aware of this thread, thanks for linking it to me

also for the arcs ray thing, I am not sure bc how do we even interpret the "the attack/character travelled blank in an instant"? since the "in an instant is in reference to what?

 

[Peter1129]

Think traveling a distance before a character moved at all would be considered a frozen time feat. Which you could use the speed of a snail (0.013 m/s) to calc the speed feat. But I don’t know how to go about calcing that. And I think a while back there was a thread that said frozen time feats can’t use snail speed now or something?

 

[Peter1129]

Just finished Argonaut Part 1 the novelization this time. So there were a few feats as well as some new scaling that were introduced in the novel version.

Argonaut Volume 1

Argonaut destroys a worn down windmill


Prologue: The Beginning of the Comedy

Feena’s magic is powerful enough to destroy hordes of level 1 and 2 monsters as well as reshape the surrounding terrain every time she uses her magic.


Chapter 1: The Clown's Departure

Yuri himself blitzed and one shot a Loup Garou, level 4 monsters from Floor 37 (Deep Floor). So Yuri and the other heroes at the time of Argonaut are likely equivalent level 5s in present day.


Chapter 1: The Clown's Departure

Fina's magic is also powerful enough to amaze Yuri


Chapter 1: The Clown's Departure

Galmuth can tank Fina's magic


Chapter 2: Encounter and Selection

Ryulu is believed to have agility comparable to Argonaut


Chapter 2: Encounter and Selection

Fina shakes the capital city of Lakrios with her fireball


Chapter 9: The Clown Dances, The Fool Wanders

Argonaut Volume 2

Crozzo is described as the physical combat of Yuri + the magic power of Feena


Chapter 2: The Sanctuary of the Spirit

Jupiter Contract Argonaut is seemingly implied to be as fast as actual lightning


Chapter 2: The Sanctuary of the Spirit

Argonaut defeating soldiers at lightning speed


Chapter 4: He Skillfully Absolved Himself of Guilt Under the Blue Sky

The soldiers in the labyrinth are all royal guards and are described by narration to all be just slightly weaker than Yuri and the others. So each of those soldiers in the labyrinth are likely all level 5.


Chapter 6: Where the Flame Burns

Crozzo after using his full power took on 60 of the royal guards + the Knight Commander. He one shot 15 of them with one blow of his magic sword. And than swung it 3 more times to defeat the other 45. And one last time to defeat the Knight Commander.


Chapter 6: Where the Flame Burns

The four large monsters that Yuri and Galmuth faced got changed in the novel. In the game it was two dragons and one wyvern among the four with the 4th being unknown. In the novel, the four monsters were a new monster known as Red Dragon, two wyverns, and a black rhinos from the 51st floor. Yuri and Galmuth were capable of surviving attacks and hurting them. And after using beastification Yuri blitz and killed the black rhinos and two wyverns almost immediately. The red dragon however was actually comparable to Beastified Yuri and was able to stab him with its tail mid attack before he dealt the finishing blow.


Chapter 7: The Howl of the Moon, the Fury of the Earth


Chapter 8: The Labyrinth Trap

Elmina is stated to be far stronger than Yuri and Galmuth. Ryulu (Wishe) is fast enough to dodge Elmina for a bit before finally being tagged


Chapter 8: The Labyrinth Trap

She’s described as possessing the speed of Yuri and the strength of Galmuth. She also possesses greater magic than Feena.


Chapter 9: A Single Flower of Firm Conviction Blooms in the Frozen Past

Argonaut was double blessed in the final battle against Minos.


Chapter 10: Hero Longing ~The Origin~

But even with the double spirit blessing of lightning and fire he was still weaker than Minos. But he was far faster than Minos by this point which made it seem like they were evenly matched. He’s doing this by running electricity into his body to stimulate it to beyond its limits. This state is called Over Boost and is the trump card of the Great Spirit which allows even an ordinary person to reach a realm beyond them.


Chapter 10: Hero Longing ~The Origin~

Argonaut and Ariadne’s final strike together also shook the entire underground labyrinth.


Chapter 10: Hero Longing ~The Origin~

And that’s about it for the novelization info of Argonaut. The novel sure has a lot of shaking feats huh.

Sword Oraroria Volume 14

A 14 year old Finn is capable of defeating monsters on the surface even before gaining falna due to having trained himself to his limit without falna

Chapter 1: The Prum's Adventure

Falna boosting Finn's strength to the point where he was like a dwarf.

Chapter 1: The Prum's Adventure

Finn is stronger than the average new level 1 adventurer due to having trained before even gaining falna

Chapter 1: The Prum's Adventure

Surface monsters' magic stones are only the size of pinky nails. Showing how much weaker they are compared to the monsters of the Dungeon which have magic stones the size of a palm.

Chapter 1: The Prum's Adventure

Even monsters on the surface which are weaker than the ones fought in the dungeons are capable of breaking down the stone walls of Preblica Village and destroying wooden buildings.


Chapter 1: The Prum's Adventure

The falnaless guards and mercenaries can survive getting hit by a 6 meter long airen who can also shatter roofs of houses.

Chapter 1: The Prum's Adventure

Alf's Royal Forest is much larger than that of a kingdom's royal capital. It has groves of trees that are easily taller than 50 meters.

Chapter 2: The High Elf's Departure

A lvl 1 Riveria's Wynn Fimbulvetr managed to turn a portion of the forest into a frozen tundra instantaneously.

Chapter 2: The High Elf's Departure

Surface green dragon that's 10 meters long and 5 meters tall destroyed a bunch of trees well over 50 meters tall and turned the surrounding land flat. Level 2s should scale to this as Hell Finnegas Finn could hold it off all by himself.

Chapter 2: The High Elf's Departure

Riveria's feat got changed in the actual volume release. Instead of destroying the forest with Wynn Fimbulvetr, Riveria punched a hole in the forest with Rea Laeveteinn. And narration specifically states that this is power impossible at level 1. Which means this was an level 2 attack. But it also seems like the feat is no longer 8-A+ as the feat is no longer piercing into the horizon but rather just punching a hole upwards in the forest.

Chapter 2: The High Elf's Departure

Dwarves are all naturally so strong that they are comparable to falna users.

Chapter 3: The Dwarf's Embarking

Gareth is so powerful that even without falna he could overpower both Riveria and Finn whom are lvl 1

Chapter 3: The Dwarf's Embarking

Surface lambtons causing cave-ins within mines and breaking a large part of the wall

Chapter 3: The Dwarf's Embarking

Gareth surviving attacks from the surface lambton that could shake and destroy mine shafts with its movements. Gareth is physically stronger than the new level 1 adventurers for reference.

Chapter 3: The Dwarf's Embarking

Gareth managed to harm the lambton with his attacks

Chapter 3: The Dwarf's Embarking

Surface lambton surviving two of Riveria's Rea Laeveteinn when a single one managed to defeat the green dragon.

Chapter 3: The Dwarf's Embarking

Behemoth destroyed the Grand Canyon


Burning With Desire SS

DanMachi Volume 20

Alfia's Genos Angelus was so powerful the chant alone was distorting the laws of nature with the magic power that was being charged up.


Prologue: Hero Afterglow

Empress was able to cancel thousands of Leviathan's light magic with a wave of her hand while Maxim was able to stop Leviathan's charge alone.


Prologue: Hero Afterglow

Alfia kills Leviathan with Genos Angelus


Prologue: Hero Afterglow

Current level 5 Bell possesses greater strength than Base Aiz a low level 6


Chapter 2: The Lion and the Sword Princess

Normal Ariel is a boost similar to Hedin's Laurus Hildr which is equivalent to a level boost


Chapter 2: The Lion and the Sword Princess

Zald one shot Behemoth after using a Deus Ambrosia + Rea Ambrosia (Afterglow) combo


Chapter 3: The World, the Festival, and the Truth

The Great Wall info


Chapter 3: The World, the Festival, and the Truth

Aria's storm barrier has kept the Black Dragon trapped for a thousand years


Chapter 3: The World, the Festival, and the Truth

Black Dragon is capable of commanding all dragons scattered across the world


Chapter 3: The World, the Festival, and the Truth

Leon casually hits ten Firebolts with one strike


Chapter 4: Knight Afterglow

Leon after having his first sword broken and increasing his agility stopped twenty consecutive Firebolts


Chapter 4: Knight Afterglow

Leon's magic when fully activated is equivalent to a level up and specific stats even surpasses that of a level up


Chapter 4: Knight Afterglow

Leon's held back Afterglow easily overpowered Bell's one minute Argonaut charge that was trying to mimic the effects of Afterglow


Chapter 4: Knight Afterglow

Base Leon's Afterglow is capable of easily overpowering Bell's 5 Minute Max Charge Argonaut and is deflected by Bell's 3 Minute Charge Grand Bell Argonaut. It took 4 Afterglows from Base Leon to overpower the 3 Minute Charge Grand Bell Argonaut


Chapter 4: Knight Afterglow

Bell disperses the black clouds that enveloped the northern lands. This wouldn't been a rather decent feat to calc. But too bad this was done with a 5 Minute Max Charge Grand Bell Argo Vesta Afterglow which is at minimum a level 10 attack so this wouldn't even be useful for scaling or higher than the order of magnitude statements stacked on Bell's level 6 AP value.


Chapter 4: Knight Afterglow

Sword Oratoria Volume 15

Current level 5 Bell is comparable to Level 6 Base Aiz and possesses higher strength than her


Chapter 2: The Return of the Rabbit Man

Ariel boosts Aiz's stats by a whole level


Chapter 2: The Return of the Rabbit Man

Aiz w/ Ariel + Avenger is believed to be capable of outperforming level 7 Riveria who can output level 8 magic. Thus confirming that Avenger is essentially another level boost.


Chapter 3: Underworld

The 59th floor used to be an absolute zero floor.


Chapter 3: Underworld

The Corrupted Spirit terraformed the entire 59th floor and likely the 60th floor as well


Chapter 3: Underworld

Venomsky Demi Spirit is stronger than the Titan Alm Demi Spirit from Floor 59


Chapter 3: Underworld

The NIdhogg Demi-Spirit was likely also a monster captured from the floor below 60 like the Venomsky. So Nidhogg Demi Spirit even without stealing the magic of the other six Knossos Demi Spirit is considered to be more powerful than the Titan Alm Demi Spirit from Floor 59.


Chapter 3: Underworld

The Dragon Demi Spirit is estimated to be level 8 in terms of destructive power


Chapter 3: Underworld

Level 7 Riveria's Rea Laeveteinn heavily injured the Dragon Demi Spirit as well as hurt the Corrupted Spirit


Chapter 3: Underworld

The Corrupted Spirit can control the entire 60th floor


Chapter 4: The Prophecy of the End of the World

Creature Aura is even weaker than the level 4 supporters that are with the expedition force


Chapter 4: The Prophecy of the End of the World

Level 7 Finn's Tir Na Nog was going to one shot and kill the Corrupted Spirit even after it absorbed Aiz and gained Ariel. It pierced through the Corrupted Spirit and reached the 59th floor even after the Corrupted Spirit used all of its mind as well as the entire 60th floor as energy to the point of collapsing the entire floor on top of Aiz's Ariel and a seven element layered magic to block it.


Chapter 4: The Prophecy of the End of the World

Updated my previous posts with the texts from Argonaut Volume 1 & 2 as well as Sword Oratoria Volume 14. So I didn't know about this originally but the volume release of Riveria's story changed the original 8-A+ feat. Now it no longer exist as it got replaced by a new feat.

Even Omori realized how big of an outlier that feat was lol. Replaced the feat with a new less impressive one and even had Riveria perform it with Rea Laeveteinn instead of Wynn Fimbulvetr. But still thanks to that now we've got like three more feats that are scaleable to level 2s that are likely around the tier 8 range and won't be considered outliers.

 

[Peter1129]

Drite77 has made a calc of Orario based on the info we provided guys. The size of Orario is now calced to be approximately 82.723 Kilometers. And the other floors that we have info on are about this big.

Babel = 7.612 km

Floor 5 (The size of Central Park) = 15.7326 km

Floor 24 (Half the size of Orario) = 41.3615 km

Floor 37 (The size of Orario) = 82.723 km

Floor 58 (Several [3x] times the size of Orario) = 248.169 km

Edit: Throwing these into a calculator and you get these values for total area in terms of square kilometers for the floors

Babel = 45.51 km²

Floor 5 = 194.4 km²

Floor 24 = 1,343.6 km²

Floor 37 = 5,375 km²

Floor 58 = 48,371 km²

 

[Peter1129]

Just for fun I decided to throw these values into ChatGPT to give an estimate of the size of each floors in between the ones with a given size. Here’s the result.


Growth rate (floors 5–24): ≈ 5.21% per floor
Size range: 15.73 km → 41.36 km
Over 19 floors

Growth rate (floors 24–37): ≈ 5.47% per floor
Size range: 41.36 km → 82.72 km
Over 13 floors

Growth rate (floors 37–58): ≈ 5.37% per floor
Size range: 82.7 km → 248.2 km
Over 21 floors

Decided to use a growth rate of 5.21% for floor 1-5 as it’s close to those floors. And for floor 59-72 I decided to use the average of the three at 5.35%

Growth Summary
Growth Rate:
Average compound growth ≈ 5.35% per floor from Floor 1 → 72.
Size Increase:
Floor 1 → Floor 72: 12.779 km → 514.791 km
Total factor:
514.791
/
12.779
≈
40.284
×
514.791/12.779≈40.284x increase.
Milestones:
Floor 5 → 15.733 km (~1.23116x increase from Floor 1)
Floor 24 → 41.362 km (~2.629× Floor 5)
Floor 37 → 82.723 km (~2× Floor 24)
Floor 58 → 248.169 km (~3× Floor 37)
Floor 72 → 514.791 km (~2.07436× Floor 58)
Observation:
Each floor is roughly 1.0535× larger than the previous floor.
Growth is exponential, so higher floors increase very quickly, with Floor 72 being over 40× larger than Floor 1.

Quite big if I’m being honest. Don’t even know if we could estimate the floor sizes like this based on estimates but hey it was fun to know. So the average percentage increase from each floor is about 5.35% huh. That’s neat to know.

Edit: Also assuming the Dungeon has up to 100 floors. The 100th floor would be about 2,215.12 km if we use the 5.35% increase for each floor. The total surface area of a theoretical floor 100 using this would be 3,853,758 km². That’s even larger than India’s surface area of 3,277,263 km².

 

[Peter1129]

Went and updated Bell's profile based on the stuff from this thread since it still wasn't applied for some reason. Also finally put the outdated notice on Bell, Aiz, and Finn's page. So now people should know the stuff are outdated and going through a revision. Btw whomever is still following this thread if you guys can try to calc some of the feats listed here on the first post of this thread using the new sizes.

 

[RanHomuei]

It seems we’ll have to wait until the evaluation of Orario’s size is completed before we can proceed with any other calculation.

I’ve previously done calc for the individual energies of Zard and Ottar (Lv 7 via Vana Arganture), and it appeared that even before that, Lv 6 Ottar could endure Zard’s attacks without much difficulty.

and this isn’t really important, though I just wanted to find something extravagant to decorate the verse page, but I’m quite surprised that it turned out to be lower than I expected.

 

[Peter1129]

It seems we’ll have to wait until the evaluation of Orario’s size is completed before we can proceed with any other calculation.

I’ve previously done calc for the individual energies of Zard and Ottar (Lv 7 via Vana Arganture), and it appeared that even before that, Lv 6 Ottar could endure Zard’s attacks without much difficulty.

and this isn’t really important, though I just wanted to find something extravagant to decorate the verse page, but I’m quite surprised that it turned out to be lower than I expected.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of trying to make a rough estimate of the feats without making it into a blog and posting it here. That way we can have a rough estimate on what tiers each level that uses the size of Orario would be to scale the different levels more easily once the calcs actually get accepted.

But still nice so we’ve got 7-B calcs for level 7s at the very least now huh. We probably can’t scale this to level 6s though as this wasn’t the casual punch that Ottar survived from Zard at level 6. I think it’s better if you just make a blog with all the earthquake feats in Astrea Record and have it all evaluated in one go.

Just then, the earth howled.
“““Rgh?!”””
An enormous tremor shook the entire city. In the midst of battle, Lyu, Kaguya, and Shakti all stopped fighting. They were lost for words.
“An earthquake?!” cried Lyana as the tremor nearly threw her to the ground.
“No!” shouted Lyra. “That ain’t no quake!”
It was Alize who spoke next. “It was an attack!” she said. “A stupidly powerful one!”
She gazed off, wide-eyed, in the direction of the earth-shaking sound. The conqueror’s blow had carved a void in the smoke-choked skies of Orario.
All across the city, people turned and gazed in shock. Asfi and Falgar, tasked with lending aid to those who needed it. The Berbera, engaged in heavy battle with the Evils suicide bombers. The one-eyed smith, holding an armful of magic swords. An elf casting white lightning. A werewolf leading his familia. A prum girl, only now regaining her senses. Finn and all of Loki Familia, gathered at the center of Orario, and Freya, atop its highest point.
From the top floor of Babel, she waited for the long, drawn-out rumble to finally subside, then muttered a word that no one else could hear.

This other casual earthquake feat from Zald here in AR1 should be the one that scales to peak level 6s.

alright my friend gave me the calcs featuring the two sizes that can be argued for (reminder that this is the old example of the calc used so we basically just changed the diamater of the cylinder)

200KM
LOW (3500ºC): 4.0974853e+18 J
HIGH (5000ºC): 4.1942204e+18 J

=================================

300KM
LOW (3500ºC): 9.219342e+18 J
HIGH (5000ºC): 9.4369959e+18 J

so basically large mountain level

Something like what Maciooblo did. Just a rough estimate without making a blog. Or you could also just make a sandbox and post the calc there as that would just be treated as a rough draft and not an actual calc blog I believe.

 

[Marciooblo]

hey so I haven't been active for a while bc of work but I'm currently still rereading some of the books I missed, was there any update on info from stuff like the black dragon statement from episode Asfi?

also also to anyone who needs to contact me, my discord is #art0867, I'm always up to discuss anything there

 

[SalamJrYourBoo]

Does anyone have the scaling for Ryuu's feats in the War Game?

 

[Peter1129]

Not to my knowledge but its probably still lower than whatever the level 6s scale to

Which reminds me did anybody ever calculate any of the lower feats that don't require the size of Orario to be evaluated at all that I compiled in the op of this thread?

Also DanMachi Season 6 confirmed

Man its gonna feel so weird seeing this arc without Sword Oratoria for anime only. Especially when they see Lefiya and wonder who she is

 

[SalamJrYourBoo]

I’m not sure, but the adaptation of Aiz’s rescue felt too rushed to me. I hope season 6 gets two cours like season 4. Honestly, I don’t have much hope for Sword Oratoria anymore, because there’s still so much material that hasn’t been adapted.

 

[Peter1129]

The Jester Who Traveled Through Time and Irregular Record are going to get a volume release was well


That and the next Familia Chronicle is Episode Heith

Looks like this year we’ll be eating good again

 

[Gimme-a-break-with-this-username-thing]

This verse lowkey need more supporter to work on the profile page icl

 

[Peter1129]

This verse lowkey need more supporter to work on the profile page icl

Already got most of the feats that will give a tier listed down in the opening post of this thread but nobody seems to know how to calc anything. So we’ve got like around 50+ feats to calc but none have actually been calced or evaluated outside of a few. Which is kinda bad since DanMachi is a series where all the tiers are from actual feats in the series and not statement + scaling.

Though I probably do need to go back and reread the series again for speed and lifting strength feats.

 

[Gimme-a-break-with-this-username-thing]

Already got most of the feats that will give a tier listed down in the opening post of this thread but nobody seems to know how to calc anything. So we’ve got like around 50+ feats to calc but none have actually been calced or evaluated outside of a few. Which is kinda bad since DanMachi is a series where all the tiers are from actual feats in the series and not statement + scaling.

Though I probably do need to go back and reread the series again for speed and lifting strength feats.

Sad. I do know someone or two who could make calc. Though it's still up to them if they could or not.

 

[Peter1129]

Sad. I do know someone or two who could make calc. Though it's still up to them if they could or not.

Might as well try and ask them I guess. Better than having nothing done whatsoever after finally having feats to calc.

That reminds me I should probably update the feats list with the actual description of the feat when I have time. And I should probably go and post the newly released volume info here as well but ehh too lazy to do that right now.

 

[Gimme-a-break-with-this-username-thing]

Might as well try and ask them I guess. Better than having nothing done whatsoever after finally having feats to calc.

I could ask for their favor then. What do you have in mind? I could relay the message. Just wanted to help this verse even for a little bit as it's probably my favourite fantasy anime series rn.

 

[Peter1129]

I could ask for their favor then. What do you have in mind? I could relay the message. Just wanted to help this verse even for a little bit as it's probably my favourite fantasy anime series rn.

Personally I say we start working from the bottom up and calculate the level 1 feats first since we’ve also got multiplier statements to upscale from. So these two feats first.

Bell cratering a wall by kicking a killer ant

Minotaur crater feat (Needs to be recalced or copied over to VSBW): 9-A (0.039348 Tons)

Though the problem is I don’t even know which Minotaur crater feat was calced on Narutoforums back then. So you might just have to show your friend the entire Bell vs Red Minotaur fight in the anime and the manga and ask him to calc whatever he think is most impressive in the fight.

 

[Gimme-a-break-with-this-username-thing]

Personally I say we start working from the bottom up and calculate the level 1 feats first since we’ve also got multiplier statements to upscale from. So these two feats first.

Bell cratering a wall by kicking a killer ant

That's fair.

As for the minotaur feat, I seem to recall something.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jaften/Bell_of_DanMachi_Cratered_into_Rock

Is this possibly the scan used?

 

[Peter1129]

That's fair.

As for the minotaur feat, I seem to recall something.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jaften/Bell_of_DanMachi_Cratered_into_Rock

Is this possibly the scan used?

Not sure but I did compile these images for the fight when reading the manga along with the novel.

DanMachi Volume 3

Enhanced Minotaur creates a huge crater on the ground

Chapter 4: The Meaning of Adventure

Bell can survive being punched into a wall with force enough to create a crater on the wall

Chapter 4: The Meaning of Adventure

Floor size info

Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

More crater feats

Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

And another crater feat

Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

And another

Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

Bell was able to match the enhanced minotaur's attacks blow for blow

Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

Bell isn’t actually on par with the enhanced Minotaur in strength but rather countering using technique.


Chapter 5: Hero’s Desire

These crater feats should be scaleable to Peak level 1s like Bell as well as level 2s since Bell can survive them.

Not sure if the anime version of the fight had any crater feats more impressive than these. It did make a pretty big explosion from a single swing of its greatsword.

 

[Gimme-a-break-with-this-username-thing]

Nice. I'll go ask them if they could do all these compilations.

Oh, and what do we know about the average Minotaur's height? Over 200 cm, is it?

 

[Peter1129]

Nice. I'll go ask them if they could do all these compilations.

Oh, and what do we know about the average Minotaur's height? Over 200 cm, is it?

Uhh I’m not sure. The enhanced Minotaur’s height seems to vary depending on the media (light novel, anime, manga). I think the previous calcs found the height using Bell’s official height instead.

 

[Gimme-a-break-with-this-username-thing]

Uhh I’m not sure. The enhanced Minotaur’s height seems to vary depending on the media (light novel, anime, manga). I think the previous calcs found the height using Bell’s official height instead.

I see.

I'm asking because I found something like this and I'd like to know if this is legitimately official and canon or not.

https://danmachi.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000480313

 

[Peter1129]

I see.

I'm asking because I found something like this

https://danmachi.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000480313

And I'd like to know if this is legitimately official and canon or not.

Ohhh that. Yeah that’s official. It’s from a limited edition thing for the anime iirc. So Minotaurs are at least 220 cm with the enhanced minotaur being even larger huh.

 

[Gimme-a-break-with-this-username-thing]

Alright. Just gotta wait for their replies next.

 

[Peter1129]

Alright. Just gotta wait for their replies next.

Nice. Since you’re already putting in work I guess I should probably stay doing the same. Will probably compile the Episode Asfi, DM21, & SO16 feats here like I’ve been doing for the previous volumes.

 

[Peter1129]

Wait a damn minute. Oh god dang it Episode Asfi still hasn’t gotten a refined Chinese translation yet even after so many months. Guess I’ll have to stick to the AI voice rough Chinese translation of it on BiliBili instead. I’ll probably start with that one first since it would take the longest and because I haven’t actually read it yet unlike the other two volumes.

This’ll slow down the progress but I should be able to get almost everything compiled by tomorrow if I don’t get lazy.

 

[Marciooblo]

Been away from a while off, need to catch up here once more

Already got most of the feats that will give a tier listed down in the opening post of this thread but nobody seems to know how to calc anything. So we’ve got like around 50+ feats to calc but none have actually been calced or evaluated outside of a few. Which is kinda bad since DanMachi is a series where all the tiers are from actual feats in the series and not statement + scaling.

Though I probably do need to go back and reread the series again for speed and lifting strength feats.

I think the speed feats we can just rely on the SoL statement of firebolt from now and scale that to the top tiers, maybe use the 10x multiplier if we want to speculate what speed future level ups can be, tbh I believe I asked this before but I wish you could screenshot the japanese text of the novel that also mentions the lightspeed statement and post it on imgur and link it here, for some series, SPECIALLY this one where some translation problems happen, it's good to have the original japanese text to serve as proper evidence

 

[Marciooblo]

I could ask for their favor then. What do you have in mind? I could relay the message. Just wanted to help this verse even for a little bit as it's probably my favourite fantasy anime series rn.

if you could, we also need info on a creation feat from the console game, I had spoken with friends about the feat of Arca's power creating a replica of Orario and a friend of mine said that these types of feats specially for something this big could be island level? but I wanted to check further to ask people who understand creation feats better than me on this bc island level Bell would be a game changer

 

[Peter1129]

Been away from a while off, need to catch up here once more


I think the speed feats we can just rely on the SoL statement of firebolt from now and scale that to the top tiers, maybe use the 10x multiplier if we want to speculate what speed future level ups can be, tbh I believe I asked this before but I wish you could screenshot the japanese text of the novel that also mentions the lightspeed statement and post it on imgur and link it here, for some series, SPECIALLY this one where some translation problems happen, it's good to have the original japanese text to serve as proper evidence

And like I’ve said before only the level 5s and higher can dodge Firebolt so we still need speed feats for the lower tiers. The 10x multiplier statement is only in regards to power. For speed we’ve only have Ariel being considered equivalent to a level boost and doubling Aiz’s speed as a benchmark for level ups.

I dunno how to get raw scans for the light novel now. I only had the line saved on a note before because there was a period of time when the entire novel was free on the official site a few years ago due to the 10th anniversary and I decided to save that line. That things no longer available so I can’t even go and grab an image unless I buy the raw light novel. Which I don’t want to just for a single line.

Also we don’t need something like the raw for something as obvious as this. 光速 literally can’t be translated as anything other than the speed of light. Firebolt is stated to move at the speed of light in two different translation so the raw probably says the exact same thing. It’s as simple as as that. Just because people don’t want to believe something moves at the speed of light because of arguments of incredulity of speed of light not working like that doesn’t mean the statement doesn’t exist.

Not to mention I’m pretty sure a weakened level 3 Lefiya’s Arcs Ray traveling 200 meters while statueing the Icicle Edge from the Titan Alm Demi Spirit is like by estimation in the Massively Hypersonic range assuming we can use snail speed. And level 5s like Revis at the beginning of SO can quite literally react to and block Arcs Ray, a spell that’s specifically stated to be incredibly fast, when it’s almost point blank in her face. If calc stacking was allowed I’m pretty sure this would’ve been somewhere in the Sub-Relativistic to Relativistic range.

Level 5s and higher having the speed to react to lightspeed attacks is pretty consistent with them casually reacting to Massively Hypersonic attacks almost point blank.

if you could, we also need info on a creation feat from the console game, I had spoken with friends about the feat of Arca's power creating a replica of Orario and a friend of mine said that these types of feats specially for something this big could be island level? but I wanted to check further to ask people who understand creation feats better than me on this bc island level Bell would be a game changer

Can we please just focus on the low tiers first. If we start off with the higher feats there’s a chance we’d be wasting our time due to the order of magnitude statement upscaling lower feats higher than the higher feats. We’re not going to just skip all of Bell’s earlier keys just to rush to his latest one. Not to mention I don’t even recall if there was a statement about that game being canon nor does Bell even scale to that with unless you factor in Argonaut.

 

[Gimme-a-break-with-this-username-thing]

if you could, we also need info on a creation feat from the console game, I had spoken with friends about the feat of Arca's power creating a replica of Orario and a friend of mine said that these types of feats specially for something this big could be island level? but I wanted to check further to ask people who understand creation feats better than me on this bc island level Bell would be a game changer

Creation feat, as far as I know, most of the time would require a UES for the characters to scale to it physically. Of course, there are some cases where it gets a pass, but I lacked the knowledge if it's an older page or a newer page.

If it does will get questioned later on, we should make a thread explaining the UES of Arcanum.

 

[Peter1129]

Also took way longer than I thought but I just finished Episode Asfi and here’s the useful info from it. Nothing much related to Powerscaling. Most of it is just backstory for Asfi and some other stuff regarding the lore for the world which I’ve already mentioned before in the summary for Episode Asfi. Will work on DM21 and SO16 tomorrow but I dunno if I can finish both tomorrow like I had originally planned.

Episode Asfi

Disara is a country built on top of Leviathan’s shed skins. Its territory is so big that even tens of thousands of people can live on fragments of its skin. This can be used to calc Leviathan’s KE which level 9s can scale to as Maxim can stop Leviathan’s full body charge alone.

『空壳』是大海蛇的一部分，比大部分的大地都要坚固。
从一个小共同体发展到建立城市的过程中，其地基纹丝不动，就算住着几万人也没有任何问题。
过去，迪萨拉领内有一万多个岛屿，几乎都是由『大海蛇的空壳』或其『碎片』构成的。

The "empty shell" is part of the Great Sea Serpent, and is more solid than most landmasses.
From the development of a small community to the establishment of a city, its foundation remains completely stable, even with tens of thousands of people living on it.
In the past, the Disara territory had over ten thousand islands, almost all of which were composed of the "empty shell of the Great Sea Serpent" or its "fragments."

Damsel in Distress ~Hello Perseus!!!~

Odin might have a plan that can take down the Black Dragon at the cost of destroying over half of the Lower World. Implying that in order to defeat the Black Dragon you might need enough energy to destroy over half the world.

「...顺带一提，那个计划的成功率有多少?」
「天晓得？不过，那个老神与宙斯是不同类型的麻烦人物，最终结果恐怕是虽然成功讨伐黑龙，但下界有一大半化成焦土。」

"...By the way, what's the success rate of that plan?"
"Who knows? However, that old god and Zeus are different types of troublesome figures. The final result will probably be that although the black dragon is successfully defeated, half of the Lower World will be reduced to scorched earth."

Damsel in Distress ~Hello Perseus!!!~

 

[Marciooblo]

And like I’ve said before only the level 5s and higher can dodge Firebolt so we still need speed feats for the lower tiers. The 10x multiplier statement is only in regards to power. For speed we’ve only have Ariel being considered equivalent to a level boost and doubling Aiz’s speed as a benchmark for level ups.

I dunno how to get raw scans for the light novel now. I only had the line saved on a note before because there was a period of time when the entire novel was free on the official site a few years ago due to the 10th anniversary and I decided to save that line. That things no longer available so I can’t even go and grab an image unless I buy the raw light novel. Which I don’t want to just for a single line.

Also we don’t need something like the raw for something as obvious as this. 光速 literally can’t be translated as anything other than the speed of light. Firebolt is stated to move at the speed of light in two different translation so the raw probably says the exact same thing. It’s as simple as as that. Just because people don’t want to believe something moves at the speed of light because of arguments of incredulity of speed of light not working like that doesn’t mean the statement doesn’t exist.

I just generally preffer having the raws of statements because then later I don't have to use proof of "trust me", again it's all because it's good to have evidence at a moment's notice, but I understand

Not to mention I’m pretty sure a weakened level 3 Lefiya’s Arcs Ray traveling 200 meters while statueing the Icicle Edge from the Titan Alm Demi Spirit is like by estimation in the Massively Hypersonic range assuming we can use snail speed. And level 5s like Revis at the beginning of SO can quite literally react to and block Arcs Ray, a spell that’s specifically stated to be incredibly fast, when it’s almost point blank in her face. If calc stacking was allowed I’m pretty sure this would’ve been somewhere in the Sub-Relativistic to Relativistic range.

to me the "moved in an instant" feats with not much to go off are not my preffered feats which is why I don't often use them, but alright

Can we please just focus on the low tiers first. If we start off with the higher feats there’s a chance we’d be wasting our time due to the order of magnitude statement upscaling lower feats higher than the higher feats. We’re not going to just skip all of Bell’s earlier keys just to rush to his latest one. Not to mention I don’t even recall if there was a statement about that game being canon nor does Bell even scale to that with unless you factor in Argonaut.

alright, alright, I just wanted to ask about it bc this is a pwoerscaling thread and I just thought it's only fair to question feats like this bc even in this thread we haven't had anyone discuss the Orario replica feat, we discussed the demi spirit firestorm endlessly but not this one by comparasion, but again, I get it