Speed-o'-Sound Sonic vs Deku

[Kachon123]

Ninja Arc Sonic vs Final War Arc Deku
Speed is NOT equalized
Starting Distance: 30 Meters

Sonic:
Deku:

 

[Arkansalter2]

uh

 

[Kachon123]

Sonic has a pretty large speed advantage with all of his amps and also has relative AP to Deku's 100% with his standard attacks due to upscaling from his value quite a bit. He should be able to avoid getting caught by Deku's LS grab attempts with his substitution jutsu (perception manipulation + speed).

I think Deku will struggle to deal with Sonic's homing exploding shuriken danmaku since they're all faster than he is and each have good enough AP to deal good amounts of damage. Sonic is also trained to go for killing blows, which makes him very lethal with his blade.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Sonic has a higher base speed but Deku seems to have the better speed amp combo.

Deku does get skill-checked but he also has a better moveset with a lot of stuff past just swinging swords and throwing shurikens. Danger sense also kinda counters afterimages since he'd know who's the real sonic.

Deku also has a slight AP advantage with 100% and can further increase it (although it shouldn't get to one shot levels).

Unless Sonic absolutely gaps Deku in skill I feel like Deku seems to have the upper hand

 

[Kachon123]

I'm not too sure about the whole better speed amp that Sonic bit. Sonic is already faster than Deku is, and he can layer blitz amps with 4, 10, and 30+ shadow burial. Danger Sense would help if Sonic's 4 fold shadow burial already bypass Genos' Search Eye, which gives him all the things Danger Sense gives Deku + more (including feats against afterimages).

 

[MochOath]

uh

youre getting a loooot of mileage out of this image

 

[Kachon123]

Bump

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So uh. whats the counter against the flight and ridiculous range advantage?

 

[EnderLord8]

For now, I'm leaning towards Deku.

 

[Kachon123]

So uh. whats the counter against the flight and ridiculous range advantage?

Far greater speed and psuedo-flight on par with Flashy Flash.

 

[Machmatej]

I think Deku should take this. Sonic is a little faster and shadow clone jutsu might catch Deku by surprise, but Deku has good enough AOE to get all 30 clones with one hit and has the amps to close the speed gap.

For one, Fa Jin at 45% was fast enough to nearly statue things that Deku previously struggled with (calculated to be around a 24x speed increase, and i know we cant calculate multipliers like this but it just goes to show how incredible the jump in speed can be), and then he has several layers of Gearshift which are even superior speed amps to that, which he can then combine with Overlay, which is another major speed comparable to Gearshift ,on top of Danger Sense giving him a heads up to any incoming attack.

The LS difference is pretty significant too. Sonic would at best scale to 19.6 Trillion tons, which is impressive, but Deku scales to 368 Trillion, and he can further amp this with Black Whip, and further amp the binding power of Black Whip with Fa Jin to get Black Chain. So we're looking at a 19x LS gap here, on the bare minimum.

100% Deku is only 14% stronger (scaling to 1.12 Petatons), but Fa Jin's Quintuple Smash is gonna make Deku up to 5.7x stronger, ensuring every hit is gonna be pretty much crippling,

Other things worth noting is Gearshift can be used to freeze things in place, even other people, Black Whip can be used both as a bubble and a form of armor to cushion any attacks (can also be used to puppet his own body if he's critically injured), Fa Jin can be charged by even the slightest of movements and can lead to a huge speed and AP increase, smoke screen can be used to conceal himself while he charges up Fa Jin or takes his breath, flight is gonna make Deku very annoying to catch, and when all else fails he can transfer OFA through blood to get an insta-win soul attack in.

 

[Kachon123]

I think Deku should take this. Sonic is a little faster and shadow clone jutsu might catch Deku by surprise, but Deku has good enough AOE to get all 30 clones with one hit and has the amps to close the speed gap.

For one, Fa Jin at 45% was fast enough to nearly statue things that Deku previously struggled with (calculated to be around a 24x speed increase, and i know we cant calculate multipliers like this but it just goes to show how incredible the jump in speed can be), and then he has several layers of Gearshift which are even superior speed amps to that, which he can then combine with Overlay, which is another major speed comparable to Gearshift ,on top of Danger Sense giving him a heads up to any incoming attack.

Problem is Sonic was getting severely blitzed by Genos, but his Four Shadows Burial was able to amp him to such a degree where he was able to blitz that same version of Genos as well as his danger senses. Sonic has Ten Shadows Burial which is far faster than that, and then Thirty+. Sonic will always have a great speed advantage here.

The LS difference is pretty significant too. Sonic would at best scale to 19.6 Trillion tons, which is impressive, but Deku scales to 368 Trillion, and he can further amp this with Black Whip, and further amp the binding power of Black Whip with Fa Jin to get Black Chain. So we're looking at a 19x LS gap here, on the bare minimum.

Sonic has faced characters with greater LS than he has, and he has answers to that such as substitution

substitution jutsu

100% Deku is only 14% stronger (scaling to 1.12 Petatons), but Fa Jin's Quintuple Smash is gonna make Deku up to 5.7x stronger, ensuring every hit is gonna be pretty much crippling,

Sonic scales above his value by a one-shot iirc, so the gap isn't very big at all. With the speed and skill advantage, Sonic will be dancing around Deku's blows.

 

[Machmatej]

Problem is Sonic was getting severely blitzed by Genos, but his Four Shadows Burial was able to amp him to such a degree where he was able to blitz that same version of Genos as well as his danger senses. Sonic has Ten Shadows Burial which is far faster than that, and then Thirty+. Sonic will always have a great speed advantage here.

And Deku did very similar things against Nagant and Shigaraki. An argument can be made for either one of them having the speed advantage, so the gap will never be "great".

Sonic has faced characters with greater LS than he has, and he has answers to that such as substitution

would still limit his options in a close quarters fight, considering every single clash will end in him getting blown away.

Sonic scales above his value by a one-shot iirc, so the gap isn't very big at all. With the speed and skill advantage, Sonic will be dancing around Deku's blows.

Sonic doesn't have a value on his profile, but the OPM verse page has 6-A's scaling to 980 Teratons.

 

[Kachon123]

And Deku did very similar things against Nagant and Shigaraki. An argument can be made for either one of them having the speed advantage, so the gap will never be "great".

Right but again, that only applies for Four Shadows Burial, not Ten or Thirty, which are additional blitz-reversing amps.

would still limit his options in a close quarters fight, considering every single clash will end in him getting blown away.

No, not really. Sonic has the same ninja skills as Flashy Flash, who could do this to Saitama's blows. He could very realistically deflect them without directly interacting with the force behind them.

Sonic doesn't have a value on his profile, but the OPM verse page has 6-A's scaling to 980 Teratons.

Yeah I know, I'm saying via scaling chains he's quite a bit above that 980 Teratons figure.

 

[Machmatej]

Right but again, that only applies for Four Shadows Burial, not Ten or Thirty, which are additional blitz-reversing amps.

I get that. Gearshift is also an additional blitz amp greater than Fa Jin, and Overlay was later used to match the speed he gained from Gearshift. It's the same thing, except Deku can also stack them on top of each other to get even faster.

Yeah I know, I'm saying via scaling chains he's quite a bit above that 980 Teratons figure.

My bad, i misunderstood. i thought you meant he was a one-shot above deku. but yeah, even assuming their base AP is equal, Fa Jin is still a 5x amp and Deku can further amp himself with Gearshift.

 

[Kachon123]

I get that. Gearshift is also an additional blitz amp greater than Fa Jin, and Overlay was later used to match the speed he gained from Gearshift. It's the same thing, except Deku can also stack them on top of each other to get even faster.

I still don't see how that puts them on even footing given it takes Deku using Fa Jin to reach Sonic's value in the first place. Even without Sonic's amps, he's perception blitzing characters who scale to his value, and he has stackable reverse blitz amps, just like Deku. There's nothing that really convinces me that Deku would be able to consistently land blows on Sonic. Especially not with his ninja skills.

My bad, i misunderstood. i thought you meant he was a one-shot above deku. but yeah, even assuming their base AP is equal, Fa Jin is still a 5x amp and Deku can further amp himself with Gearshift.

Sonic has ways to deal with AP gaps like I mentioned above.

 

[MrTayman616]

So uh. whats the counter against the flight and ridiculous range advantage?

Um, the range of Deku here isn't "he sends a powerful attack to that distance" but his attack reaches until there while decreasing in energy exponentially, no? I don't think it's much of a problem here. (Sorry if i've misunderstood :d)

 

[Kachon123]

Fa Jin's 5x AP amp is being contested right now by Rusty so I guess that point should be put on hold

 

[Machmatej]

I still don't see how that puts them on even footing given it takes Deku using Fa Jin to reach Sonic's value in the first place. Even without Sonic's amps, he's perception blitzing characters who scale to his value, and he has stackable reverse blitz amps, just like Deku.

Sonic scales to what, 2.35c? Deku scales to 1.68c and he's a blitz level above that. It's literally just a 1.40x gap without amps, which is basically nothing, and both of them have stackable blitz amps with deku having danger sense and analytical prediction. Not only is the speed gap basically nonexistent in the first place, but any tap with Gearshift is enough for Deku to completely strip Sonic of that speed.

 

[Kachon123]

Sonic scales to what, 2.35c? Deku scales to 1.68c and he's a blitz level above that. It's literally just a 1.40x gap without amps, which is basically nothing, and both of them have stackable blitz amps with deku having danger sense and analytical prediction. Not only is the speed gap basically nonexistent in the first place, but any tap with Gearshift is enough for Deku to completely strip Sonic of that speed.

Wrong.

Sonic is a perception blitz amp over 2.35c. Four Shadows can blitz someone who could previously blitz Sonic and who also has danger sense. Ten Shadows has a bigger gap between it and Four Shadows than Four Shadows and base. Thirty even moreso.

 

[Machmatej]

Wrong.

Sonic is a perception blitz amp over 2.35c. Four Shadows can blitz someone who could previously blitz Sonic and who also has danger sense. Ten Shadows has a bigger gap between it and Four Shadows than Four Shadows and base. Thirty even moreso.

It's the same thing tho? Deku is a blitz amp above 1.68c. Fa Jin can statue something that Deku can barely keep track of even when Danger Sense warns him of the attack coming from halfway across the city, while blitzing someone who had no issue keeping up with him at 45%. Gearshift allows Deku to completely perception blitz and bully someone who adapted to his previous speed. Overlay allows him to match the speed of someone who adapted to Gearshift's speed, and consistently outspeed that person in a fight, while basically being a mangled corpse. And from there, he can also just stack gearshift on top of overlay, and continuously amp his speed with Fa Jin. Danger sense is active 24/7, and was used by Shigaraki to react to blitz attempts.

Like I said, the speed gap is nonexistent. Sonic is far from untouchable here, and any single touch can lead to him losing whatever speed advantage he ever had. Gearshift can slow him down to the point where he's practically frozen from Deku's POV.

 

[Machmatej]

I think Deku is fast enough to keep up in a fight, if not even outspeed Sonic. but even if you argue Sonic is significantly faster, there's no reason to believe he'd completely untouchable. With the speed issues aside, is there anything Sonic can do against an OFA transfer? Physical stats would be more-or-less comparable even without Fa Jin's 5x AP amp (which i think is totally legit btw). if Deku gets outmatched in a H2H fight and just lacks the skill to land a finishing blow, he'll definitely resort to using Low Gear on Sonic to make him lose his speed. At the point of being completely motionless from Deku's POV, I don't think there's much Sonic can do against an OFA transfer attack.

 

[EnderLord8]

I think I'll vote for Izuku here.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Deku FRA

They are both blitz amps above their values, so they are comparable in speed. Sonic’s speed amp are just making him capable of basically blitzing people previously comparable to his speed. That is inferior even just to Fa Jin being able to statue attacks that are faster than Deku. Not to mention Danger Sense and Analytical Prediction allow him to dodge perception blitzes.

And of course, Gearshift outpaces any of Sonic’s speed amps. Even if he’s not blitzing Sonic, he’s definitely faster since Gearshift is an incomparable amp to Fa Jin. He can easily keep up with Sonic and use Blackwhip boosted by Gearshift and Fa Jin to grab him and basically shut down his combat options.

Deku scales above his value as well, scaling directly to Defense Form Shigaraki who is way more durable than 1.16 Petatons. So Deku can harm Sonic easily, especially when he’s caught.

And even if Sonic can keep up in speed (which isn’t enough to deal with Danger Sense and Analytical Prediction making it so he never lands a decisive hit even if he is faster), Deku absolutely can use Low Gear to slow him down to practically being stand still and take him down for there.

Idk about the clones, but Deku’s Air Force attacks keep his AP all throughout + have super high range, not just for how far they travel, but also just the AoE starting point. He can cover an entire city blocks width with one kick at an unmastered 45%, 100% attacks are definitely clearing the clones out.

Or he can just spin in a circle with the Oklahoma Smash and create a tornado that catches all of the clones. He has several options.