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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)
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Pretty small report, but I am getting sick and tired of it...
reporting @Azertyhuuh for what can only be described as stone walling/derailing.
My man created a Zamasu vs Veldanava thread and goes to sleep. When he wakes up and realizes it's not a stomp for Zamasu, he decides to go to the Veldanava thread...
Here, he just states his disagreement with the TOPIC.
Then proceeds to say "he just wants to be on the disagreement list, the reason is not important, and that he ""may"" someday give it...
Do I even need to say more?
reporting @Azertyhuuh for what can only be described as stone walling/derailing.
My man created a Zamasu vs Veldanava thread and goes to sleep. When he wakes up and realizes it's not a stomp for Zamasu, he decides to go to the Veldanava thread...
Here, he just states his disagreement with the TOPIC.
Then proceeds to say "he just wants to be on the disagreement list, the reason is not important, and that he ""may"" someday give it...
Do I even need to say more?
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I don’t believe this constitutes as rule violation or stonewalling. The match in question was created in the Fun & Games or Joke Battles, and several members are actively participating in the discussion, atleast some are.
While his disagreement in the veldanava thread appears suspicious, suspicion alone is insufficient grounds for punishment, especially since he has stated he has valid reasons but is currently too busy to write them up. So imo, no action is necessary.
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Here is the thing, it's clear as day that he didn't even read the CRT... The thread's "topic", is separating Velldanava under 2 new keys.
Not to mention, how before this he had no interaction with Tensura or its threads.... Oh wait, he has mentioned it a few times... ( I will be bloding Tensura)
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So yeah....
Edit - To summarize why I am getting annoyed at this, it is due to the fact that it is the same thing he was reported and warned about before. When people disagree with him, he instantly goes fully against them; in most cases, he just insults them or their verse/character. In this example, instead of going after the users, his first thought was to go after a CRT regarding the character he was 'against'.
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I understand what your trying to say, but the point is that it is not a rule violation to express disagreement with a CRT while reserving the explanation for later due to time constraints. While we might suspect that he hasn't read the thread, we cannot be certain of his intentions. Speculation regarding a his intent should not serve as the basis for a action.
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Fair enough, if he just disagreed with it, I wouldn't have said anything, but the way he disagreed, and the circumstances, just made it extremely suspicious.
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I do agree it's suspicious. All the same, it isn't a rule violation to disagree.
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@Dark_Soul20189 highlighted another comment from @Azertyhuuh where he mentions that he plans to 'strip a Tensura character of all their abilities'. He likely doing it out of spite as his recent match didn't go in the way he wanted it.
My opinion on it is so so since he claims to have reasoning for the future downgrade, but the timing and context makes it look like a clear case of spite. I am not sure how we deal such cases, so I’ll defer to the consensus of the other staffs.
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I applied the ban for @Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera for 1 year as it the general consensus was 1 year to permanent. While most staff agree that even that seems generous and he'd normally be permanent altogether. Bambu's words that 1 year and a hard NO appeals during that full year. I applied his wiki ban as well.
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Perhaps it's a Google translation error, he seems to be Brazilian like me (from the Brazilian scan there) and Google puts strange words in our mouths.
All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
Goku in DBS knew how to do a kaioken in transformations, then why we don't consider Afterlife tournament as canon for DBS? Kaioken has always been a technique like that. Im pretty sure theres an explanation why he cant canonically use it in ssj and only ssjb
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If I may, I don't think it can be a "translation error", when he starts talking about debunking a character, after losing a CRT...
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I mean, he gave a preliminary reason why he believes such. At what point are we punishing a user just for having disagreements?
But can't comment too much, as I haven't followed the case too directly.
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Dude, I was just joking to see his reaction. I never intended to open a topic about it in the first place. Also, Veldanava is not the All-One—that’s what I meant. And personally, I’m in favor of upgrading Veldanava and all Tensura characters to High 1-A, and the All-One to Tier 0.
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Well i also said so, but I was concerned that I might just be being stubborn or missing a bigger picture or smth. So at the end, I didn't wanted to solely decide whether this report warrants punishment or not, so I brought it here for other staffs to judge.
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I was just joking. And yes, Veldanava is currently being treated as the All-One, even though he isn’t. I mentioned that because of this, he would lose some abilities and some types of manipulation would be removed—that’s all. Even Astral told me, “Yes, that’s clear,” and said he’s currently working on the All-One, and that Veldanava won’t lose much—only a few things will change.
So there’s nothing strange here at all. What I said is correct, because the All-One is not Veldanava, and because of that, he will lose some of the advantages he currently has. I honestly don’t even understand why he’s reporting me over a normal comment like this.
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Well if you know the verse you'd be uniquely qualified to say whether or not his arguments seem like genuine attempts at debate or nonsensical stonewalling.
It's difficult from an outside perspective because we don't know anything about the argument itself.
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You reported me without any reason, and on top of that, it was for something I said that is actually correct. And even if it weren’t correct, it would still just be an opinion, and I did not violate any rules or anything like that. Honestly, you should make sure and verify things properly before reporting others.
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Do not blame @Reiner04 for something I did.
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Given your suspicious and, imo, clear spiteful actions regarding a particular verse, it is perfectly understandable and valid for supporters to be concerned about your behavior, so i wouldn't call it for "no reason". No.
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Do you have any proof that I am biased against this work? You should not accuse me of that just because of a normal comment or a difference in opinion. Aside from that, what I said was actually correct, and even now there is no valid justification for your report. I have the freedom to comment as I wish as long as I do not violate the rules, and you cannot report someone simply because they disagree with a work. That is not logical.
This forum brings together fans and people who enjoy different works, so of course you will find opposition and differences in opinion. You may feel that the other side is biased or dislikes your work, and that is normal in comparisons and discussions on a forum. We all feel that way toward others at times, but you cannot accuse someone because of that. It is not reasonable. There are many members now—actually, almost everyone—where if someone disagrees with another person about something, they may feel that the other person is biased or dislikes the work. That is normal on a forum, but it is not a reason to report someone. If that were the case, then 90% of the members would be reporting each other just because they feel someone is biased against a certain work. Do you understand what I mean?
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Let’s not drag this further and create unnecessary commotion. Now that the full context is clear, I understand it was meant as a light joke, nothing serious. However, the timing and manner in which you said didn’t quite land well, which led to it being taken out of context, so please keep that in mind next time.
Yeah, an informal reminder should be sufficient imo.Well, I am not well-informed about this case, but it seems like at most a minor transgression.
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I wouldn't find it unreasonable then to issue a very short 'warning ban' to indicate that we don't allow endless minor infractions either.
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That comment has nothing to do with Tensura, and it has nothing to do with what I was reported for. I was already given a warning for it, and the person I said that to told me, “This is the last time, don’t repeat it,” and the issue was resolved and ended there.
This has no connection to the current matter at all. He has now submitted a report regarding a comment I made about Tensura and accused me of being biased against Tensura. Therefore, there is absolutely no relation between the two. He was in the wrong here toward me, so let’s end this matter as a misunderstanding and not escalate it or create unnecessary drama over something like this.
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I just want to know if azery did got banned from threads, because I said something about that and I think it was untrue lol
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So would another warning be sufficient here then?
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I don't believe this is accurate. The first warning was for derailing threads, the second one for an aggressive attitude in the thread it was issued. This case is for spite.
So based on that, I wouldn't agree with a warning, specially with the new context.
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He reported me now without any reason. Members should not be reported because their opinion differs from yours or because they oppose you, and then accuse them of bias or hatred, especially when that is not the case with me. I commented with a correct comment and it was not wrong to begin with. Feldanava is truly not the All-One, and currently they are being treated as if they are one, and after the events of the latest volume it became clear that they are not the same person, and in Feldanava’s profile he had some traits and abilities that belong to the All-One character, and I said that therefore some abilities would be removed from his profile since they are not the same character, and that is all, and this is correct, and soon a separate profile will be created for the All-One character, and things will be edited and corrected and unnecessary things will be removed, and this work is for Tensura fans and will be handled only by its fans.So would another warning be sufficient here then?
Do you see now that I am guilty? Why should we escalate matters like this? He wronged me here, and I have no problem and did not oppose him or anything. I came and defended myself, and the matter is over. There is no need for all these problems without benefit. It is better to close this topic and let it end here (there is no big problem, just a misunderstanding, and the matter is over).
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You are escalating the situation yourself. You don't get to determine if the situation is handled, that's up to staff. While I don't agree with warning you over that comment, I would greatly advise you to drop the constant defensiveness. Specially when all Ant did was ask the rest of the staff with how to proceed.
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At least one other staff member suggested a brief warning ban, which seemed excessive to me, so I wondered if a warning would be sufficient, but maybe that is too severe as well?
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I would say a warning might not be necessary yet, as he did provide a reason for his future downgrade thread, even if it appears spiteful. However, his general behavior has become intolerable for many members. His contributions are consistently provocative, baseless, and unproductive and he is not willing to understand it, which is where the real issue lies imo.At least one other staff member suggested a brief warning ban, which seemed excessive to me, so I wondered if a warning would be sufficient, but maybe that is too severe as well?
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Even I have my own personal opinion. Do I have to agree with someone else’s opinion against my will? These are normal issues that happen. Do you have to think the same way as others and agree with them on everything? Then why is there a forum, discussions, and topics in the first place, if disagreement and differences of opinion are not allowed?Okay. Should he receive a warning for that greater context instead then, or is a warning ban necessary?
If you want, we can simply close this matter and understand the situation properly, because the issue of the comment and such has already been resolved and it was agreed that it doesn’t even deserve a warning. As for the current issue of differing opinions and not agreeing, this needs understanding and clarification, because it is not a matter that calls for a ban, a warning, or an infraction. It is a different kind of issue—one that exists among all members of the forum—which is simply disagreement and not agreeing with another person.
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I mean, if you don't give concrete examples of these, there's nothing to analyze for us.
The wiki also has a big issue where we have a culture that sees constant mockery and ridicule of anyone that doesn't follow the general feel, which then harbors resentment from new users and leads to fighting fire with fire. We've seen this case time and again, with examples like Robo and others. Hell, kudos to them for sticking through that and not just quiting the wiki altogether. But I'm worried that we are getting to the point of giving unjust punishment, when the entire issue could've been nipped in the bud if people just weren't plain mean from the onset.
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Yes. I also strongly dislike the culture of meanness towards other members that has been brewing here.
It isn't so difficult to, for example, link to some wiki instruction pages with information instead of mocking clueless newcomers.
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I can't quite name one thread but that's generally what i observed across several threads.
- He starts entirely different arguements from the OP that derails the thread much and many warns and tells him continously across the thread to stop, but he does not stop, even after i ask him to stop, he continous to derail the thread until reported.
- Rather than understanding how he can just discuss his side arguements in the verse-related discussion thread than derailing the CRT, he attacks the members who are annoyed by his constant derailing.
- he also starts to insulting the users whenever they argue against his points. One might think its only one instance but it has happened many times before.
- And his spiteful nature whenever some CRT or versus match don't go in the way he likes was just reported.
- And his unproductivity is quite evident because of which he recieved restriction on his CRT, which was only lowered because I advocated for him, hoping he would improve, however, it doesn't seems to be the case.
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I would support now a final warning for his bad behavior, based on your warning here and from that first comment.
@Azertyhuuh I want to let it be known, we do not tolerate rudeness and insults. Check our Site Rules. While people clowning you for having a different opinion can lessen punishment, this is not an excuse nor a white card for you to turn around and give it in turn.
For the rest of the community, if you see bad behavior, report it instead of dishing it back. Because when you pile on to the negativity, you only paint yourself alongside the aggressor in a bad light. Be Kind, Be Reasonable, Be Respectful; those are our main rules for the community, and by accepting to engage within it, you are holding yourself up to the standards of such. This are my final thoughts here.
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It is unfortunate that I'm reporting this, but I propose to ban @Shiroiyo for a year or so. I believe all this were intentional by design judging on Shiro's behavior on the forum for the past month, basically all the scans relating to HI3 were all hidden (unviewable) 6 hours ago when I noticed this with some of them (1%) being completely deleted on the entire Honkai Energy page including the Layers section and the potency, range, etc with the exception of the Lord Ravager Manipulation (obviously). This affects the entire Authority section too on Kevin Kaslana and Kiana Kaslana's Authority of Finality tab.
The main reason why I believe this was intentional is because unironically 99% of the scans were hidden (you can still click on the link, but it shows nothing instead of it being deleted or something like that, completely empty), with only 1% of them being actually deleted whether it be by Shiro or by Imgur themselves.
Effective immediately, I'm proposing the Honkai Energy page, and all the HI3 profiles (with the exception of the HI3 profiles made by @Mbpoops) to be put an Outdated Template whilst I would be the one replacing all the scans one by one given the references are there. Honkai: Star Rail would not be affected in any capacity as the cosmology blog is still there and perfectly intact (however, it still suffers minor damage because of this but it's not as terrible as HI3), but any changes regarding HI3 in its current state would unfortunately have to be postponed whether it be an upgrade or a downgrade to the verse because of this situation until this is resolved. It's unfortunately not similar to the Astral_Trinity439 case and this is just the case where the main supporter shoots themselves in the head given it's only Shiroiyo that worked on HI3.
The main reason why I believe this was intentional is because unironically 99% of the scans were hidden (you can still click on the link, but it shows nothing instead of it being deleted or something like that, completely empty), with only 1% of them being actually deleted whether it be by Shiro or by Imgur themselves.
Effective immediately, I'm proposing the Honkai Energy page, and all the HI3 profiles (with the exception of the HI3 profiles made by @Mbpoops) to be put an Outdated Template whilst I would be the one replacing all the scans one by one given the references are there. Honkai: Star Rail would not be affected in any capacity as the cosmology blog is still there and perfectly intact (however, it still suffers minor damage because of this but it's not as terrible as HI3), but any changes regarding HI3 in its current state would unfortunately have to be postponed whether it be an upgrade or a downgrade to the verse because of this situation until this is resolved. It's unfortunately not similar to the Astral_Trinity439 case and this is just the case where the main supporter shoots themselves in the head given it's only Shiroiyo that worked on HI3.
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Responding to the claim of going off-topic, which I have already discussed here and will reopen now since it has been brought up again:
First, in the Dragon Ball topic, I discussed with the moderator the issue of the Gods of Destruction and their clash affecting the Neutral Zone, which is what grants the 5D feat. I discussed this matter with him, and this point was already mentioned by the original topic creator. Therefore, it does not count as going off-topic. I already clarified this before, and the matter was settled, but it has been
brought up again here ↓
We move on to the next argument here. First, I am not angry here. I will explain to you exactly what happened.
This person, Shadow7001, is someone whose old account was banned on the forum for two years because of the problems he caused. Considering the length of the ban, it seems to me that he committed a serious violation. After that, he created a new account under disguise, which is this account, Shadow7001. He was banned again because Antvasima and the other moderators exposed him, and they had evidence of that, so the punishment was applied and he was banned. This happened after he personally reported me here, and because of that, Antvasima uncovered him.
He was mocking me and talking nonsense, and I did not get angry at all. I simply responded to him normally as a personal reply.
Look at what he said to me here ↓
All that happened is that I was discussing and asking one of the Dragon Ball fans about the series, and he was explaining things to me normally. We were both fine with the discussion until this person came in and tried to ruin my reputation, telling him things like “this person is like this and like that,” portraying me as some kind of nuisance who wants this and that. In other words, he was trying to make me look like a bad person in front of the members, so I responded to him. My response contained no insult at all; it was simply self-defense and was respectful ↓
I told him to mind his own business and not to ruin my relationship with other members. He was bothering me for no reason. Whenever I spoke, he would say, “you are like this, you are like that.” After that, I decided not to talk to him anymore, so I continued speaking normally with the other members. Then I found him trying to make me look bad in front of others even though I was not even talking to him anymore.
When I stopped engaging with him, instead of leaving it, he went out of his way to create problems with me, even though the matter did not concern him at all. And as I said, he had already been banned on his old account for two years and then created this account under disguise until he was exposed and banned again.
We move on to this matter. In this case, yes, I truly made a mistake. However, during that discussion, Reiner04 gave me an official warning not to continue with this matter, otherwise he would report me. I understood the situation, and from that moment on I have not repeated it until now. SweetDao also forgave me and told me that this was the last time, and that if it happened again he would report me. The matter ended there, and the proof is below ↓
The issue ended there, but now Reiner has brought it up again and reopened it, even though the matter had already been resolved in that topic. This is likely just a misunderstanding. Other than that, SweetDao and Reiner both forgave me at the time, the issue ended there, and I have not repeated that action at all since that
moment.
Now to this argument. This matter has also been discussed for the third time, and Reiner himself said that it is something normal, as did the rest of the staff. However, Reiner has now reopened the issue again, even though all the staff here rejected it, and you can verify this yourselves. All that happened is that I commented on a post and said that I do not agree with it, that my name should be placed on the list of opponents, and that I would provide the reasons later because I was busy that day. This is something completely normal. Despite that, he went and reported me over something like this, even though all the staff—including Reiner—did not agree with that report, because it is not a violation in the first place. Even the member himself realized his mistake and said here ↓
He himself said that the blame falls on him, and that Reiner should not be blamed for what he did. He admitted his mistake, because I did not do anything wrong in the first place, and all the staff were on my side.
Yes, you did defend me, and I have not forgotten that. However, these days you have formed a negative impression of me, and I noticed that because you did not look into the reasons or review what actually happened. Now I have clarified to you and to everyone what occurred.
