Lord of Mysteries Additions + Evernight Goddess Profile

[SuperNova55555]

So I went back to re-check some stuff and I did seem to have missed some things (of which I'll be proposing in this thread).

Firstly, this:

• Fate Manipulation (The law of Beyonders includes a phenomenon known as "Characteristics Convergence," which influences fate itself. It causes seemingly coincidental encounters between Beyonders on the same Pathway or with related Sealed Artifacts. Whether they know it or not, Beyonders often make decisions that alter their destiny, leading them to encounter others who walk the same Pathway repeated)

^ has already been accepted in a previous thread, so it should js be added as normally. (I forgor)


As for additions, here as some items that Klein has which I forgot initially and should be added (also I updated the Standard Equipment section to show exactly which chapters he has each item):

Spoiler: items

• Power Absorption and Social Influencing (Via Tinder, which can steal an opponent's power for 10 minutes whilst making them incapable of using it for 12 hours. Additionally enhances the user’s charm, making his words convincing)
• Body Control and Regeneration (Low-Mid; Via Flower of Blood, which allows the user to control their body and flesh and slowly recover)
• Supernatural Luck and Probability Manipulation (Via Scales of Luck, which passively grants the user good luck and is capable of inducing bad luck on the opponent; though, as Klein’s luck cannot be changed, he usually gives this item to a Marionette)
• Healing (Via Green Essence, which can treat minor ailments)
• BFR (Via Groselle's Travels, which can send anyone to the fake story within it by dripping their blood onto it)
• Damage Reduction and Underwater Breathing (Via Murloc Cufflink, which can be used to summon illusory scales beneath the skin, and it can allow the user to dive for much longer)
• Power Modification and Purification (Via Unshadowed Crucifix, which can cleanse all powers of corruption and will slowly cause Beyonder Characteristics to seep out from Beyonders)
• Weapon Creation (Via Rever's Shout of Despair, which can create an infinite number of bullets out of thin air. Has two modes: shooting like a normal revolver or like a machine gun)
• Supernatural Luck (Via Mother of Success, which allows the user to store up luck so they can use it later)
• Animal Manipulation, Body Control, Life Manipulation, Plant Manipulation, Healing, Earth Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (Type 2; Via Life's Cane, which can control low-intelligence animals, cause or cure madness in them, heal people's wounds, create golems and even humans)
• Possession (Via General of the Pupil-less Eye, which can possess any being with a spirit and awaken those without)
• Clairvoyance (Via the Magic Mirror Arrodes, which he can ask any question to and it will answer)
• Law Manipulation (Via the Trunsoest Brass Book, which will continuously create strict Laws around the surrounding area which must be followed. Breaking these Laws will punish you severely)

Also, for Klein, I changed Fooling into a single "Reality Warping" ability, because all the ability is, is a lesser version of this (like the star shit is literally just reality warping, the concept part of it is an application of another ability called grafting) and also added one other ability I forgor:

• Reality Warping, Mind Manipulation, Causality Manipulation and Time Manipulation (Fooling is the power to turn Reality into Fiction and vice-versa; he can forcefully lower the intelligence of other beings; he can cause effects to linger for longer than they should and can nullify time stop; he can split his past and future self and can "fool" the surroundings to behave to the concept of a star)

• Passive Mind Manipulation (Beings will have their intelligence lowered passively by the Symbolism of Foolishness even if Klein doesn’t directly use it)

Also, I guess I also added this for both Klein and Amon:

• Social Influencing (A Swindler is adept at speaking and possesses a certain charm that allows them to scam people)

And now onto the main thingy, this:

• Non-Physical Interaction
  • Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1【Existence and Nonexistence】) and Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2, All Aspects【Other: Space-Time, Fate】; Symbolism is capable of interacting with Chaos and Termination Power, which is a nothingness that manifests through the union of contradictions and dissolves everything into endless unrealized possibilities)

GOOs can interact with chaos (which does this), not the OC chaos, but the chaos manifested through symbolism + the Chaos Sea (another Sefirot), with the former being material chaos, and the latter symbolic/conceptual chaos (of which OC is the unity of both). But since both of these Chaoses are still similar in the sense that they are the union of things into nothingness, itll be existence and non-existence union and like. So it should be added to GOO physiology.


And finally our mass genocidal furry mother is here :
Evernight Goddesses' profile
(She has 3 layers of death manip because every upgrade of the Finality authority should be able to destroy the previous concept of death; so it's Death -> Pale Death -> Death Authority -> Eternal Darkness)

Edit:
This ability should be changed from Chaos Manip to Causality Manip since it’s literally done through the universal concept of change:

Time Manipulation and Chaos Manipulation (Through his Symbolism of Change, Klein is capable of accelerating, halting or inducing errors into transformations)

+ the BDE should be removed from Demigod and Angel sections since its already indexed in the Godhood section (the relevant part)

(Also I know Klein still doesn't have his marionette profiles but I'll try and get em out by the next thread)
Votes:
Celestial_Pegasus (Agree)
Vietthai96 (Agree)
Fine_Point (Agree)

 

[LOTM_Historian]

This looks fine, I agree with everything.

Finally, a new profile for a relevant character.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Finally, a new profile for a relevant character.

I know right? Way better than that bum OC

 

[Hecky2222]

Wanker wanking again

Agree.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Wanker wanking again

Agree.

Me? Wanking? Pfffff

 

[Re5yh]

Looks Good, I agree

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

When Lum profile

 

[Hjdjdhf]

Great

 

[WanderingGecko]

Nice! The psycho god’s profile is finally here.

Agreeing with everything presented.

 

[SuperNova55555]

When Lum profile

That’s a big one so it’s gonna take a while lol. Cuz I might genuinely have to do like 8 entire pathways for him or sum shit

 

[Eseseso]

Looks good (can't wait to make her fight Nyx)

 

[SuperNova55555]

Looks good (can't wait to make her fight Nyx)

Make sure it’s not a mismatch this time…

 

[Impartial_Euler]

Another profile good progress, I agree.

 

[Tatsumi504]

GOOs can interact with chaos, not the OC chaos, but the chaos manifested through symbolism + the Chaos Sea (another Sefirot), with the former being material chaos, and the latter symbolic/conceptual chaos (of which OC is the unity of both). But since both of these Chaoses are still similar in the sense that they are the union of things into nothingness, itll be existence and non-existence union and like. So it should be added to GOO physiology.

But union of existence and nonexistence is NEP 3 not NEP 2

 

[SuperNova55555]

But union of existence and nonexistence is NEP 3 not NEP 2

NEP2 is nonduality (what Chaos has), NEP3 is tranduality

 

[Devourer1]

I agree, good profile

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

But union of existence and nonexistence is NEP 3 not NEP 2

No? Union of existence and nonexistence puts you on another value other than existence or nonexistence aka existing outside binary of it. Unity of these two categories isn't making you simultaneously one thing but paradoxically the other, it's creating a whole new state of existence through their union.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Actually I forgot that the Brass Book is a Uniqueness, so it should have CM1 as well. I’ma add it rq

Or would it be better to js give it God Physiology completely? (Obviously the Book, not Klein)

 

[BoastJr]

I will FRA this thread just for you bbg

 

[SuperNova55555]

I will FRA this thread just for you bbg

Gives a kiss

 

[Dereck03]

No? Union of existence and nonexistence puts you on another value other than existence or nonexistence aka existing outside binary of it. Unity of these two categories isn't making you simultaneously one thing but paradoxically the other, it's creating a whole new state of existence through their union.

No, you continue to exist as 0 and 1, only simultaneously. There is no interpretation that implies that you are neither 0 nor 1, since that would be a contradiction of the union of 0 and 1. That's somewhat NEP 3

NEP2 is nonduality (what Chaos has), NEP3 is tranduality

WHAT???

 

[SuperNova55555]

WHAT???

NEP3 is P and not-P; NEP2 is neither P or not-P.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Also Dereck stop gooning to Anus and do your job to vote

 

[Dereck03]

NEP3 is P and not-P; NEP2 is neither P or not-P.

NEP 3 is basically existing and in instances behaving as non-existent when attacked, basically being 0 and 1 simultaneously, that doesn't give you any PP.

NEP 2 is nether 0 and 1, the one that gives you some degree of PP, so yeah, in this case is 0 and 1 existing simultaneously in 1 being, textbook NEP 3.

 

[Exoko]

basically being 0 and 1 simultaneously, that doesn't give you any PP

Doesn’t it fit type 2?

General: Beings which exist beyond the confines of classical logic in general, in a fashion that they may occupy both the value "true and false" or "neither true nor false" regarding any of their properties.

 

[SuperNova55555]

basically being 0 and 1 simultaneously, that doesn't give you any PP.

From the peepee page:

A rose with Paraconsistent Physiology could be both red and not red, neither red nor not red

The former example is what NEP3 is; the latter is what NEP2 is.

NEP 2 is nether 0 and 1, the one that gives you some degree of PP, so yeah, in this case is 0 and 1 existing simultaneously in 1 being, textbook NEP 3.

Realistically speaking, Chaos isn’t NEP in the same manner something like Wuji isn’t meant to be NEP. The latter only “has NEP” because of a misunderstanding on the wiki’s part on how it works, so chaos would just technically have it as well.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

No, you continue to exist as 0 and 1, only simultaneously. There is no interpretation that implies that you are neither 0 nor 1, since that would be a contradiction of the union of 0 and 1. That's somewhat NEP 3

WHAT???

The unity of 0 and 1 makes it cease to be 0 and 1. It's not 0 and 1 existing side by side but existing as a singular whole.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

so my bad, but how does layers work

 

[SuperNova55555]

so my bad, but how does layers work

Which ones, for Death Manip?

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Which ones, for Death Manip?

in general, am a lil confused about layer's hax

 

[Dereck03]

Realistically speaking, Chaos isn’t NEP in the same manner something like Wuji isn’t meant to be NEP. The latter only “has NEP” because of a misunderstanding on the wiki’s part on how it works, so chaos would just technically have it as well.

Then you gotta fix that, and regarding the PP, does the verse has it accepted? Or does the verse works by using non classical logic?

The unity of 0 and 1 makes it cease to be 0 and 1. It's not 0 and 1 existing side by side but existing as a singular whole.

Does it behave as non-existent? Because yes, it has to display non-existent properties because from what I'm seeing here isn't enough to warrant type 2.

You just described type 3.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Then you gotta fix that, and regarding the PP, does the verse has it accepted? Or does the verse works by using non classical logic?

Does it behave as non-existent? Because yes, it has to display non-existent properties because from what I'm seeing here isn't enough to warrant type 2.

You just described type 3.

Type 2 is already accepted. This is just adding interaction

• Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2, All Aspects; Symbolically represents the Primordial Chaos, which is non-existence expressed through the union of all contradictions<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Original_Creator#cite_note-:6-17"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Original_Creator#cite_note-:7-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Original_Creator#cite_note-:8-18"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a>)

Also you don't seem to understand how unity works. To say it's type 3 would to acknowledge a distinction between 0 and 1 and yet paradoxically being both. Unity of opposites isn't paradoxically being both but a dialectic where they're resolved into a greater state through their union. It 100% necessitates an otherness from 0 and 1.

 

[SuperNova55555]

so my bad, but how does layers work

They basically no diff the previous layer. But honestly they might need to be changed depending on how certain layer revisions are handled.

Does it behave as non-existent? Because yes, it has to display non-existent properties because from what I'm seeing here isn't enough to warrant type 2.

You just described type 3.

What MGQ said, you're pre-supposing a distinction between P and not-P that doesn't exist.

Then you gotta fix that, and regarding the PP, does the verse has it accepted? Or does the verse works by using non classical logic?

Too lazy + that would need I revise Tier 0 as well.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

They basically no diff the previous layer. But honestly they might need to be changed depending on how certain layer revisions are handled.

oh ok thx

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[PhoenixWrong57]

My input on the more trivial aspects of items:

Body Control and Regeneration (Via Flower of Blood, which allows the user to control their body and flesh and slowly recover)

It may be helpful for matchups to add the extent of regeneration. I am pretty sure this is at least Low-Mid level regeneration, if not Mid, as the alternative scenario where Mr. X would have survived that Klein describes in the scan is blowing up Mr. X's head into pieces with an air bullet instead of doing it with Death Knell's Cull (which has a critical strike/fatal blow effect when targeting weaknesses distinct from just dura negging when hitting any other spot. Not sure how to classify this).

Limited Regeneration (Via Green Essence, which can treat minor ailments)

Is there a need to preface it with "limited"? It's way weaker than the Flower of Blood but it still behaves as you would expect regeneration to without any conditions for use or missing aspects (it can heal injuries as well, Klein used it to finish his treatment after he almost died from looking at himself with the Enzo marionette).

Weapon Creation (Via Rever's Shout of Despair, which can create an infinite number of bullets out of thin air. Has two modes: shooting like a normal revolver or like a machine gun)

It's missing the mind manipulation + madness manipulation type 2 aspect of Rever's Shout of Despair. Chapter 1028 quote for further detail on the effects:

This special revolver allowed the wielder to hear the roar of despair from time to time, a rather serious blow to creatures without godhood, easily pushing them to the brink of losing control, to madness, to a mental breakdown, or mind blanking. And at Sequence 4, the effects of the roar was greatly mitigated once his body possessed the characteristics of a Mythical Creature.
To Qonas Kilgor, this roar was enough to turn his mind adrift and generate irascible mood swings. It didn't have much of an effect on him,and he had already gotten used to it.
And at that moment, he wanted to "Magnify" the "roar of despair" to a state where even a demigod wouldn't be able to tolerate it. He wanted to use the pain that came from this psychic piercing in his mind to escape the state of having his Spirit Body Threads being controlled!

Possession (Via General of the Pupil-less Eye, which can possess any being with a spirit and awaken those without)

It may be useful to include for the sake of matchups that the possession includes remotely controlling an enemy's mystical items and their abilities so long as they are not injecting spirituality or are considered their owner (in chapter 1236, the General was able to control the Vision of White artifact after Emlyn threw it at a target like a grenade, presumably losing ownership after the attack was over).

 

[SuperNova55555]

Is there a need to preface it with "limited"? It's way weaker than the Flower of Blood but it still behaves as you would expect regeneration to without any conditions for use or missing aspects (it can heal injuries as well, Klein used it to finish his treatment after he almost died from looking at himself with the Enzo marionette).

Should be changed to Healing entirely I won’t lie

It's missing the mind manipulation + madness manipulation type 2 aspect of Rever's Shout of Despair. Chapter 1028 quote for further detail on the effects:

Aigh, thnx.

 

[Devourer1]

Bump

 

[SuperNova55555]

Bump

 

[Devourer1]

Bump