A Hunters grasp| The Hunter (Bloodborne) vs The Player (Slap battles) | [10-2-0] (Concluded)

[Delusionaltx2]

A match where slap doesn't get nerfed

• Speed equalized
• Mid game Hunter is used
• SBA for the rest

Hunter: Friedoil11, ShionAH, Kellex, DaReaperMan, WeeklyBattles, AyOgUyS, Naito-desu, Keeweed, Kachon123, Chritin

Slap: Thunderman101, AppleMaker

Another hunter:

 

[Arkansalter2]

Bob timestop GGs damn that's ****** up. NEXT!

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Bob timestop GGs damn that's ****** up. NEXT!

Can bob even suck stuff up in time stop?

Edit: it doesn't really matter anyway since when bob sucks stuff it kills the victim so the hunter would just ressurect

 

[Arkansalter2]

Can bob even suck stuff up in time stop?

Absolutely.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Absolutely.

Eh doesn't change anything

Like taking a glance at the hunters profile he has a bunch of ways he can f*** with bob

He has NPI for intangibles and incorps so interacting with Bob is a non issue meaning he could just kill bob the moment he sees him approach him.

He also has dimensional travel so tping out of where Bob sucks him too isn't an issue

Heck I could even see him just resist the sucking force through sheer LS

And that's ignoring the whole "I can rewind time after I die" issue

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Bump

 

[Friedoil11]

Does The Player have anything to stop or limit somehow Hunter's resurrection?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Does The Player have anything to stop or limit somehow Hunter's resurrection?

@Thunderman101 nows the time to pull out random BS


I purposely made the match up with the intent of having slaps wincon be some random glove that probably nobody uses (most of the common ones are resisted)

 

[Friedoil11]

does the Player have the Staff-Exclusive gloves?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

does the Player have the Staff-Exclusive gloves?

yeah i'm pretty sure (I'm not sure if it should be on the profile tbh but thats a CRT for another day)

 

[Friedoil11]

You might see this as a strange question, but is there the Barzil Portal?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

You might see this as a strange question, but is there the Barzil Portal?

yes but that probably won't do anything thanks to the hunters dimensional travel

one thing I do see them doing is using time stop + disarm to power null the hunters passive abilities and active abilities for a duration which should allow them to bypass the ressurection since they would be power nulling it

afterwards they can hax f*** him but they wouldn't lead with this since they have like 200+ other gloves many of which are used more in the meta than disarm

 

[WeeklyBattles]

yes but that probably won't do anything thanks to the hunters dimensional travel

one thing I do see them doing is using time stop + disarm to power null the hunters passive abilities and active abilities for a duration which should allow them to bypass the ressurection since they would be power nulling it

afterwards they can hax f*** him but they wouldn't lead with this since they have like 200+ other gloves many of which are used more in the meta than disarm

The Hunter's immortality doesnt come from themselves, it comes from The Moon Presence, which exists in a higher plane of reality. He'd have to null that in order to bypass the Hunter's resurrection

 

[Friedoil11]

I honestly gonna vote for The hunter due to him having resurrection and having higher LS

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The Hunter's immortality doesnt come from themselves, it comes from The Moon Presence, which exists in a higher plane of reality. He'd have to null that in order to bypass the Hunter's resurrection

The moon presense is 5A with type 0 large size

If the higher plane of reality was in reference to mathematical dimensions I imagine they or at least the ability would be listed as tier 2

Edit: also smurf hax isn't really a thing anymore so even if he was 4D it wouldn't change anything

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The moon presense is 5A with type 0 large size

If the higher plane of reality was in refference to mathematical dimensions they would be listed as tier 2

I know, im working on getting it adjusted

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I know, im working on getting it adjusted

yeah but I just remembered smurf hax has been axed so things like "ressuretion with 4D potency" dosen't exist anymore

it can still have things like 4D range but unless the hax is 1A its potency wouldn't be effected by dimensional tiering anymore

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I honestly gonna vote for The hunter due to him having resurrection and having higher LS

counted

 

[Friedoil11]

Does The Hunter anything else that might give him the edge other than having higher LS and resurrection btw? (still gonna vote for him now, it was just to know)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

yeah but I just remembered smurf hax has been axed so things like "ressuretion with 4D potency" dosen't exist anymore

it can still have things like 4D range but unless the hax is 1A its potency wouldn't be effected by dimensional tiering anymore

I mean, its not 'resurrection with 4D potency' its literally a whole other entity resurrecting them and that entity just happens to be 4D

Both the Eye Rune and A Call Beyond refer to Great Ones as higher dimensional beings

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Does The Hunter anything else that might give him the edge other than having higher LS and resurrection btw? (still gonna vote for him now, it was just to know)

Madness manipulation that causes death in seconds via the Bloodletter

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I mean, its not 'resurrection with 4D potency' its literally a whole other entity resurrecting them and that entity just happens to be 4D

yeah and them being 4D wouldn't change anything

also "passive abilities" negated by disarm includes things like guardian angel which also involves a separate person ressurecting you

 

[WeeklyBattles]

yeah and them being 4D wouldn't change anything

also "passive abilities" negated by disarm includes things like guardian angel which also involves a separate person ressurecting you

Can you post where smurf hax was removed? this is the first im hearing of it

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Can you post where smurf hax was removed? this is the first im hearing of it

This and this and this.

Edit: theres also the fact other verses like sonic have apperenly had to undergo CRTs because of it

 

[Friedoil11]

also "passive abilities" negated by disarm includes things like guardian angel which also involves a separate person ressurecting you

wait a minute, if The Player can literally disarm The Hunter, wouldn't that make useless the Bloodletter and ressurection (being both the best options of victory for The Hunter)?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

wait a minute, if The Player can literally disarm The Hunter, wouldn't that make useless the Bloodletter and ressurection (being both the best options of victory for The Hunter)?

yes (the power null goes as far as completely removing the glove your using so held items and equitment would also be removed)

 

[Friedoil11]

Because then I'm surely gonna vote the Player due to him having more abilities (and being able to remove the only things that make him win)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Because if that's true then I'm surely gonna vote the Player due to him having more abilities (and being able to remove the only things that made him win)

so I should switch ur vote?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

wait a minute, if The Player can literally disarm The Hunter, wouldn't that make useless the Bloodletter and ressurection (being both the best options of victory for The Hunter)?

This is implying that the Player can actually kill The Hunter to exploit the temporary immortality removal

The Hunter is fully capable of fighting barehanded with no change in combat efficiency

 

[Friedoil11]

This is implying that the Player can actually kill The Hunter to exploit the temporary immortality removal

The Hunter is fully capable of fighting barehanded with no change in combat efficiency

I'm not saying that he wouldn't be able to fight back, the thing is that removing his immortatility gives the Player a chance to kill him definitively with his higher arsenal of gloves, since there are gloves like the dice (with which, with enough luck, could potentially kill him due to possibly doing high damage) and the reaper (which gives 25 seconds to live before The hunter dies from it)

 

[Friedoil11]

so I should switch ur vote?

yes thanks

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'm not saying that he wouldn't be able to fight back, the thing is that removing his immortatility gives the Player a chance to kill him definitively with his higher arsenal of gloves

So i just checked the profile and the linked page, and the power null not only lasts for only 7 seconds, but requires the Player to actually hit The Hunter, when The Hunter's entire fighting style is dodging. That wouldnt do much of anything in this fight.

, since there are gloves like the dice (with which, with enough luck, could potentially kill him due to possibly doing high damage) and the reaper (which gives 25 seconds to live before The hunter dies from it)

Same as above, these require the Player to actually hit The Hunter for them to work

Because then I'm surely gonna vote the Player due to him having more abilities (and being able to remove the only things that make him win)

The issue with characters like The Player is that with such a large arsenal, there is no guarantee that they will lead with one of the few things that can actually pose a threat, and are far, far more likely to lad with something that wont help them in any meaningful way. Meanwhile The Hunter's arsenal is comparably large but not as diverse in terms of abilities in this key, meaning they can use basically anything, including just their bare hands if need be, and still pose just as much of a threat due to their fighting style.

 

[Friedoil11]

So i just checked the profile and the linked page, and the power null not only lasts for only 7 seconds, but requires the Player to actually hit The Hunter, when The Hunter's entire fighting style is dodging. That wouldnt do much of anything in this fight.

Same as above, these require the Player to actually hit The Hunter for them to work

The issue with characters like The Player is that with such a large arsenal, there is no guarantee that they will lead with one of the few things that can actually pose a threat, and are far, far more likely to lad with something that wont help them in any meaningful way. Meanwhile The Hunter's arsenal is comparably large but not as diverse in terms of abilities in this key, meaning they can use basically anything, including just their bare hands if need be, and still pose just as much of a threat due to their fighting style.

well, if you put it like that you ain't wrong. If you think about it if The Hunter can somehow disarm The Player (which he could, having a much higher LS too), he would be basically useless. So now I'll get my original vote back to The Hunter.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

So i just checked the profile and the linked page, and the power null not only lasts for only 7 seconds, but requires the Player to actually hit The Hunter, when The Hunter's entire fighting style is dodging. That wouldnt do much of anything in this fight.

again as far as hitting him with this goes they can just use timestop first, switch to disarm and then do it

 

[Friedoil11]

again as far as hitting him with this goes they can just use timestop first, switch to disarm and then do it

what are the chances that he will start with that or do it before he uses the Bloodletter?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

again as far as hitting him with this goes they can just use timestop first, switch to disarm and then do it

I mean, yes, he CAN, but the question is if he WILL. He would need to lead with that one specific combo of gloves over any number of other abilities in order to win this matchup.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Anyways for the hunters winconditions

majority of gloves (especially the more commonly used ones like overkill) don't bypass resurrection and slap has can only hold one glove at a time so its possible they hit the hunter with something he either resists or comes back from so he could hax them before hand

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I mean, yes, he CAN, but the question is if he WILL. He would need to lead with that one specific combo of gloves over any number of other abilities in order to win this matchup.

what are the chances that he will start with that or do it before he uses the Bloodletter?

they will eventually but since disarm isn't meta relevant the answer would be no

time stop IS but their more likely to use something else in tandem with that (like overkill) than to use disarm

 

[WeeklyBattles]

what are the chances that he will start with that or do it before he uses the Bloodletter?

The thing is The Hunter wouldnt even specifically need the Bloodletter in order to win here, they have the stats to beat The Player even without it, and them having a dodge-centric fighting style is a significant advantage against an opponent who needs to touch them in order to use the majority of their abilities

 

[Friedoil11]

they will eventually but since disarm isn't meta relevant the answer would be no

time stop IS but their more likely to use something else in tandem with that (like overkill) than to use disarm

the questions are: 1, how much time does the time stop last? 2, how much time does it need in order to recharge it?