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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

idk what the hell puppet and sahl are arguing about "seasons" every translation is about "embodiment" but heh theres 0 context surrounding that given zhongli just said, "it was the embodiment of time" then somewhere in lantern rite shes called "one who rules over time", i rly wonder how do people not see this as titles instead of actual stuff
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One piece title scaling situation all over again lol
 
idk what the hell puppet and sahl are arguing about "seasons" every translation is about "embodiment" but heh theres 0 context surrounding that given zhongli just said, "it was the embodiment of time" then somewhere in lantern rite shes called "one who rules over time", i rly wonder how do people not see this as titles instead of actual stuff
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I have a Chinese friend.. She can translate it
 
idk what the hell puppet and sahl are arguing about "seasons" every translation is about "embodiment" but heh theres 0 context surrounding that given zhongli just said, "it was the embodiment of time" then somewhere in lantern rite shes called "one who rules over time", i rly wonder how do people not see this as titles instead of actual stuff
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So loud yet so wrong. "化身"/"Embodiment" is not a title word, and being an embodiment does not exclude being a ruler either because "ruler" is only referring to what she do, this is just stupid thinking.

In Chinese myth-fantasy (and especially in Genshin’s writing style), phrases like 化身 / 之化身 are ontological descriptions, not flowery words or some shit.
  • 称号 / 头衔 (titles) → “Ruler of X”, “Lord of X”, “God of X”
  • 化身 (embodiment / incarnation) → X itself given form
If they were just a title, we will get 掌管时/one who governs time (which already in the game), or 司时之神/god in charge of time. But instead we got 时之化身 which in literal would be just Embodiment/Incarnation of Time.

There is no 0 context either, as the game have ALWAYS treated Istaroth as Time itself, so when somebody said she's the embodiment/avatar/incarnation of Time, they were not wrong at all.
 
Are people really that hate to Istaroth so that they don't want to admit it already? Man, the level of denial is just crazy.
 
Bro said common sense 💀the same neuvi that has a fierce battle against Surtalogi pet?!
The same pet who had a dura amp during the entire fight, anyways who does this affect him being below Columbina?
Basically zibai, archons, skirk, columbina and Neuvi.
Archons are currently being powercrept by a buisness egyptian woman
Anyways, my ranking even do no asked
  • Neuvi (Authority)
  • Columbina (Tri-Lune)
  • Durin/Venti
  • Traveler/Arle with Marrow
  • Nefer
  • Flins
  • Skirk Post Quest
  • Traveler post 6.3
  • Traveler Base Nod Krai / Skirk Training / Skirk in Fontaine Arc
  • Ineffa with Moon Wheel
That video is about Playable character.
Put aside any shades buff that the archons get
I mean even without Shade buffs, Venti fought Durin, who can downscale 10% of Rerir; Aside of Xbalanque there no other archon scaling to current traveler
 
The same pet who had a dura amp during the entire fight, anyways who does this affect him being below Columbina?

Archons are currently being powercrept by a buisness egyptian woman
Anyways, my ranking even do no asked
  • Neuvi (Authority)
  • Columbina (Tri-Lune)
  • Durin/Venti
  • Traveler/Arle with Marrow
  • Nefer
  • Flins
  • Skirk Post Quest
  • Traveler post 6.3
  • Traveler Base Nod Krai / Skirk Training / Skirk in Fontaine Arc
  • Ineffa with Moon Wheel

I mean even without Shade buffs, Venti fought Durin, who can downscale 10% of Rerir; Aside of Xbalanque there no other archon scaling to current traveler
If you laugh you go to hell
 
  • Neuvi (Authority)
  • Columbina (Tri-Lune)
  • Durin/Venti
  • Traveler/Arle with Marrow
  • Nefer
  • Flins
  • Skirk Post Quest
  • Traveler post 6.3
  • Traveler Base Nod Krai / Skirk Training / Skirk in Fontaine Arc
  • Ineffa with Moon Wheel
I mean.. Why are we even thinking Archons like Morax and Raiden wouldn't perform a better thing than what Nefer, Lauma and Flins did to Dottore, as they were just nowhere near Archon level in the actual lore. Sometimes, this is what makes scaling mess.
 
Puppet ain’t no way you actually scale the Nod Krai cast over Ei, Mavuika and Zhongli. Bina is the only one who should be stronger.
I mean is not like is inconsistent
Flins had only fought against with Rerir and still most of the times he won (Rerir was in shadow state)
Nefer could fight agaisnt serious Rerir (The final boss) and could put 2 marrow dottore against the ropes for a moment
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Powercreep exists
Why are we even thinking Archons like Morax and Raiden wouldn't perform a better thing than what Nefer, Lauma and Flins did to Dottore, as they were just nowhere near Archon level in the actual lore.
  • Massive AP gap between the 2 groups, while we see Flins get a little bit hurt by Rerir's kick to the floor, meanwhile so far any archon has to actually show tier 5 stuff
  • Im not scaling them based on Dottore's performance, no one did great except for Bina
  • Is never stated they arent nowhere near Archon lvl, in fact it should be more obvious, since they fighting along side a Traveler that has surpass archons
  • Lauma did nothing in the fight (I mean as in fighting against opponents)
 
Not to mention, all people who fought Dottore post Columbina's return is getting amped by Columbina with New Moon's Blessing, which is why they can kept up with Dottore. Because they can't even keep up with Dottore before Columbina's return.
 
getting amped by Columbina with New Moon's Blessing, which is why they can kept up with Dottore.
The only one getting amped was Traveler, that what the game tell us
Because they can't even keep up with Dottore before Columbina's return.
They were weaking him by stealing the marrows
Without Iridescent Marrow he had 2/3 of his powers isnt much when u see in this magnitude but if we put into bigger number it means more power getting away
(Lets say Dottore 3 marrow power = 99, without one marrow it would be 66 and maybe Nefer has the enough ap of 40, she wouldnt do much to 3 marrow, but could hurt somewhat the weakend one)
 
I mean is not like is inconsistent
Flins had only fought against with Rerir and still most of the times he won (Rerir was in shadow state)
Nefer could fight agaisnt serious Rerir (The final boss) and could put 2 marrow dottore against the ropes for a moment
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Most Phantom Rerir are unscalable. The only one that can be scaled is the one who beat Flins and fought the Traveler,

Traveler was playing defense unless you think Nefer > Varka.

A bunch of normal humans scaling to god level doesn’t make much sense when god level Capitano is the mightiest mortal on Teyvat

@Sahlwrld I thought everyone was gettibg downgraded. I heard something of the 2C peeps going to 4A
 
s never stated they arent nowhere near Archon lvl, in fact it should be more obvious, since they fighting along side a Traveler that has surpass archons
More over if Archon lvl was still relevant atp of history why wouldnt Dottore be in his base form to be the final boss? I mean he was archon lvl at that point, why did he need to amp himself in order to keep up with the plot? Why did all Harbingers need some kind of amp for them to be relevant
  • Sandrone amped Pulonia twice
  • Dottore stealed the power of a stronger god than archons
  • Columbina became the tri lune goddess
  • Arle needed a marrow
Its kinda obvious that Archons are just getting left behind god damnit
Because Bina hadn't bringing back Flins, Nefer and Lauma back.
what
That domain created with Columbina has the new moon's blessing.
Is there any evidence?
Most Phantom Rerir are unscalable. The only one that can be scaled is the one who beat Flins and fought the Traveler
Shadow Rerir just fought these 2, idk what u mean is unscalable when litterally scales to 2 characters. At best it is stated previously that Flins and him were getting fighting and Flins was winning, but each time he won he got weaker because of Abyssal Energy
Traveler was playing defense unless
Playing defensive or aggresive has nothing to do with scaling. He survive and could spar against Rerir with sometimes (do holding back) so at best he downscales
unless you think Nefer > Varka.
Varka getting oneshotted by same Rerir that Nefer fought...
Same Varka stated to be Capi lvl
A bunch of normal humans scaling to god level doesn’t make much sense when god level Capitano is the mightiest mortal on Teyvat
the only normal human would be Nefer
Flins is a fae, Arle had a Moon Goddess power, Trav is the 4th descender, the mc and whatever u want, Ineffa is a dragon machine created by Xiuhcoatl
 
Varka getting oneshotted by same Rerir that Nefer fought...
Same Varka stated to be Capi lvl
Literally everyone can get one shot by rerir if he ever went all out on their ass, i mean you do see how desperately are they dodging his attacks once he gets angry, he would literally one tap all of them if it wasnt for the using his own power against him
 
im crying bro just scaled lauma nefer and flins above traveler 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹
Lauma didnt fought alongside Trav (actively)
Flins fought agaisnt some clones
Nefer was relative to Moon Marrow Trav
Dottore 3 Marrows >>>> Dottore 2 Marrows > Moon Marrow Trav >= Nefer > Flins >> No Marrow Trav (The one who fought Dottore)
So yeah he indeed needed an amp
Literally everyone can get one shot by rerir if he ever went all out on their ass, i mean you do see how desperately are they dodging his attacks once he gets angry, he would literally one tap all of them if it wasnt for the using his own power against him
Didnt i already sent u multiple times the video of Nefer point blank tanking a Rerir explosion to the face? (Trav was there too)
 
More over if Archon lvl was still relevant atp of history why wouldnt Dottore be in his base form to be the final boss? I mean he was archon lvl at that point, why did he need to amp himself in order to keep up with the plot? Why did all Harbingers need some kind of amp for them to be relevant
  • Sandrone amped Pulonia twice
  • Dottore stealed the power of a stronger god than archons
  • Columbina became the tri lune goddess
  • Arle needed a marrow
notice how only Columbina out of everyone is genuenly above archon as an entire tier? stop downplaying archons like they have became some irrelevant slop no one cares about
 
Shadow Rerir just fought these 2, idk what u mean is unscalable when litterally scales to 2 characters. At best it is stated previously that Flins and him were getting fighting and Flins was winning, but each time he won he got weaker because of Abyssal Energy

Playing defensive or aggresive has nothing to do with scaling. He survive and could spar against Rerir with sometimes (do holding back) so at best he downscales

Varka getting oneshotted by same Rerir that Nefer fought...
Same Varka stated to be Capi lvl

the only normal human would be Nefer
Flins is a fae, Arle had a Moon Goddess power, Trav is the 4th descender, the mc and whatever u want, Ineffa is a dragon machine created by Xiuhcoatl
Puppet re read what I said. Also Flins is not stated to be growing weaker, he states Rerir grew stronger after each fight.


Again Puppet please read what I’m saying again. I was not contesting Traveler fighting Rerir, I was talking about Nefer.

No ******* way. You actually think Nefer could beat Mavuika in a fight? Like Puppet take the power scaling glasses off for two seconds and tell me if that makes sense to the story. A random information broker scales above the god of fire and war.

Harbingers 1-3 are stated god level. Arlecchino is number 4 so she can’t scale to god level at least not without the Moon Marrow. Lauma is a largely normal human. We even see her struggle with normal Wild Hunt phantoms. Saying all these people are strong doesn’t even change the fact that it is insanity that Nefer > Mavuika and Ei.
 
Lauma didnt fought alongside Trav (actively)
Flins fought agaisnt some clones
Nefer was relative to Moon Marrow Trav
Nefer just managed to kick him far so suddenly she scales to his full value?
So yeah he indeed needed an amp

Didnt i already sent u multiple times the video of Nefer point blank tanking a Rerir explosion to the face? (Trav was there too)
“Point blank” epicenter of explosion was 100m away from them lol
 
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