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The Son of God vs The Fist That Turned Against God (Yhwach vs Saitama) (Bleach vs One Punch Man) [6-4-0]

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Jin2188 said:
Yeah cause of the fate hax, which which you aren't denying Saitama can copy.

So Incon I guess?
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Has it been proven Saitama can copy anything similar, let alone Fate Manip on the level of Yhwach? If not, he’s cooked (don’t answer that, he has not)
 
nah, Saitama can't do anything against Fate hax
Yhwach has fate hax, whenever he dies, he just resurrect back by re-writing the future and he will just absorbed Saitama's powers after.
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
NLF, next
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???
How is it an NLF to say that if he can copy a time based ability, he can probably copy another time based ability? Maybe not to the same degree as Yhwach, but even a fraction of it could be enough to interfere with his Immo Type 4.
 
Jin2188 said:
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How is it an NLF to say that if he can copy a time based ability, he can probably copy another time based ability? Maybe not to the same degree as Yhwach, but even a fraction of it could be enough to interfere with his Immo Type 4.
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TBF the time ability he copied is done through Macro-quantuum body control, (a.k.a making your electrons spin backwards), wich would still be 3-D and the series even treats it as a "technique" born through Garou's extremely refined martial arts amped by God as opposed to the ability to control a 4-D dimension time manip normally entails.
Even if you take "can copy God's powers" at face value he'd still be limited to copying what God has shown and so far he has not shown anything similar to Allmighty.
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Prove it.
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Prove what? That he can replicate Fate Manip? I can't just infer it? Especially since he can be scaled to Cosmic Garou, who can copy portals and gravity manip (and before you come at me for this, Saitama has been shown interacting with these portals, implying that he can use them as well).

I admit it's not great, but it's something.
 
Epiccheev said:
TBF the time ability he copied is done through Macro-quantuum body control, (a.k.a making your electrons spin backwards), wich would still be 3-D and the series even treats it as a "technique" born through Garou's extremely refined martial arts amped by God as opposed to the ability to control a 4-D dimension time manip normally entails.
Even if you take "can copy God's powers" at face value he'd still be limited to copying what God has shown and so far he has not shown anything similar to Allmighty.
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Yeah because altering your composition at the subatomic level is just an advanced "martial arts" technique lmao.

In all seriousness, he's not limited to God's powers, since he can copy Blast's portals and gravity manip.
 
SnakesCity said:
No lol that's NLF. Time travel, portal creation and gravity manip are all very different from fate manip.
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So you're essentially saying that Power Mimicry is limited purely to its showings in the canon material? So Garou can copy portals and gravity manip and nothing else?

I think that's nonsense.
 
Concerning saitama's feats (and no he is not multi s.s. level; the 'void' left behind due to blast's teleportation leaving behind a black hole effect), Saitama takes this 9.9/10. Ywach would have to use his almighty carefully, and consider every conceivable future to pull a victory even by a landslide. And in one of those potential futures, would need to unleash every thing has up his sleave and arsenal.
 
Sfgamer said:
Concerning saitama's feats (and no he is not multi s.s. level; the 'void' left behind due to blast's teleportation leaving behind a black hole effect), Saitama takes this 9.9/10. Ywach would have to use his almighty carefully, and consider every conceivable future to pull a victory even by a landslide. And in one of those potential futures, would need to unleash every thing has up his sleave and arsenal.
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Your arguments are weird, but I'll put you down as voting for Saitama.
 
I'd also like to mention the Zero Punch. Yhwach specifically states that he can rewrite futures in which he has died, but if Saitama kills him in the past, then that won't work (Especially if Saitama kills him before he re-awakens the Almighty). Yhwach won't be able to foresee this either, since Saitama is moving backwards in time. The most he'd probably see is Saitama doing a weird stance and then disappearing.

So:
  • Yhwach's wincon: Defeat Saitama before he snowballs too hard and outpaces him.
  • Saitama's wincon: Stall until he gets strong enough to oneshot Yhwach with Zero Punch.
 
Jin2188 said:
Your arguments are weird, but I'll put you down as voting for Saitama.
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Not an argument, but Saitama would out stat him in every turn aside from hax. Ywach is bright enough to weigh his oppostion. If all fails he could seal him, and high tail it.
 
Jin2188 said:
but if Saitama kills him in the past, then that won't work (Especially if Saitama kills him before he re-awakens the Almighty).
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That assumes Yhwach has just reclaimed The Almighty imo, and Saitama can only travel back so far.

Even then Yhwach could actually just defeat Saitama before that happens. If you wanna be generous, Yhwach low diffs (and doesn’t Saitama not go for time travel like that unless bloodlusted?)
 
Jin2188 said:
I'd also like to mention the Zero Punch. Yhwach specifically states that he can rewrite futures in which he has died, but if Saitama kills him in the past, then that won't work (Especially if Saitama kills him before he re-awakens the Almighty). Yhwach won't be able to foresee this either, since Saitama is moving backwards in time. The most he'd probably see is Saitama doing a weird stance and then disappearing.

So:
  • Yhwach's wincon: Defeat Saitama before he snowballs too hard and outpaces him.
  • Saitama's wincon: Stall until he gets strong enough to oneshot Yhwach with Zero Punch.
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The time travel could get convoluted, going back in forth rewriting futures. But Ywach could prevent or reverse any possible deaths. Would that make this inconclusive the could cancel or negate each other.
In essence, this creates a paradoxical situation. If Saitama defeats Yhwach in the present, Yhwach could potentially rewrite that future from the past. However, if Saitama manages to defeat Yhwach before he can fully utilize The Almighty, then Yhwach's future manipulation becomes moot.

This matchup ultimately hinges on speed and initial strategy. If Yhwach immediately activates The Almighty and understands the threat Saitama poses, he could potentially find a future where he prevails. But if Saitama lands a serious punch before Yhwach can fully analyze and counter him (assuming his almighty is not active), the match would likely end instantly in Saitama's favor.
 
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
That assumes Yhwach has just reclaimed The Almighty imo, and Saitama can only travel back so far.

Even then Yhwach could actually just defeat Saitama before that happens. If you wanna be generous, Yhwach low diffs (and doesn’t Saitama not go for time travel like that unless bloodlusted?)
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How far back?
 
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
That assumes Yhwach has just reclaimed The Almighty imo, and Saitama can only travel back so far.
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Nothing in the manga states or implies that there's any sort of limit to how far he can go back, but that doesn't even matter because even if the past Yhwach has the Almighty, Saitama can still beat him, since the present Yhwach can't rewrite the past, and the past Yhwach can't do anything since from his perspective he's just dead immediately.
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
Even then Yhwach could actually just defeat Saitama before that happens. If you wanna be generous, Yhwach low diffs (and doesn’t Saitama not go for time travel like that unless bloodlusted?)
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Yhwach starts off stronger, sure, but Saitama grows in strength fast enough to one-shot a version of himself from the previous day (passively, mind you, so the whole "upward surge of emotion" thing makes this even stronger). 8.5x is not at all an insurmountable difference taking that into account. Also, Saitama is faster.

And also Saitama definitely wasn't bloodlusted the last time he used time travel, so I think the notes section on his page is just wrong. Saitama would probably resort to it once he discovers how the Almighty works (which he would eventually since Yhwach loves to brag about it lmao), and realizes that it's the only thing that could work. I can bloodlust him if it would make things more fair, but I don't think it's really necessary.
 
Jin2188 said:
Nothing in the manga states or implies that there's any sort of limit to how far he can go back, but that doesn't even matter because even if the past Yhwach has the Almighty, Saitama can still beat him, since the present Yhwach can't rewrite the past, and the past Yhwach can't do anything since from his perspective he's just dead immediately.

Yhwach starts off stronger, sure, but Saitama grows in strength fast enough to one-shot a version of himself from the previous day (passively, mind you, so the whole "upward surge of emotion" thing makes this even stronger). 8.5x is not at all an insurmountable difference taking that into account. Also, Saitama is faster.

And also Saitama definitely wasn't bloodlusted the last time he used time travel, so I think the notes section on his page is just wrong. Saitama would probably resort to it once he discovers how the Almighty works (which he would eventually since Yhwach loves to brag about it lmao), and realizes that it's the only thing that could work. I can bloodlust him if it would make things more fair, but I don't think it's really necessary.
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One thing I don't like and about fokls like them is that they give themselves away. Why tell your opponemt how it works?
 
Jin2188 said:
He copied time travel immediately just by watching Garou do it, so pretty fast I'd say.
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Does he need to visually see the ability?

Because from what I see, Allmighty has no visual indicators
 
Sfgamer said:
How far back?
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From what I remember, only a few minutes? (Maybe something changed cuz that was a while ago)
Jin2188 said:
And also Saitama definitely wasn't bloodlusted the last time he used time travel, so I think the notes section on his page is just wrong. Saitama would probably resort to it once he discovers how the Almighty works (which he would eventually since Yhwach loves to brag about it lmao), and realizes that it's the only thing that could work. I can bloodlust him if it would make things more fair, but I don't think it's really necessary.
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Yhwach literally snapped Ichigo's zanpakuto in half the moment he was using Bankai and his merged hollow form together, sure maybe Yhwach would brag at the start, but I don't see what's stopping Yhwach from picking a future that favors him, especially when Saitama starts growing so much in power that I don't see why Yhwach would mess around and find out.

Also why are we acting like Saitama is on some Medaka Kurokami type stuff with his power mimicry, he's not copying the Almighty when he has yet to prove he can copy Fate hax and stuff like that.

Like, I'm not trying to say Saitama CAN'T win, it'd just be a massive pain in the ass for him to do it (like, borderline impossible for him to win)
 
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