Regarding Higher Dimensions, Speed, and Consciousness

[Kavliaris]

How we treat character speed,consciousness and technique could shift dimension of spacetime size few time larger than observable universe, and capable perceiving,raise and degrading higher-dimensional existence.

Does this evidence the universe(Heavenly Domain specifically) have more than three spatial axes? more info

Spoiler

From four-dimensional foresight of future possibilities to arriving at any scene.

As I look east, I sense through the foresight of a True Immortal that heading there will lead me to Jeon Myeong-hoon.

'Out of the countless futures, only the ones where I head east can I meet Jeon Myeong-hoon?'

The new sense I gained after becoming a True Immortal is truly mysterious.

In my eyes, who seized control of the Plane of Fate, the future appears like countless grains of sand scattered across the ground.

I feel as if I can now cross over to any point I desire within those countless scenes.

'Back during the Sacred Vessel stage, this ability was limited to within the Middle Realm, but now...it's possible from anywhere.'

The act of selecting and solidifying one of the countless possibilities of the future—that is what is called 'prophecy.'

intially, they move trough supercluster or inside spacetime

Superclusters begin to swiftly pass by him.

Yet still insufficient, the speed continues to accelerate.

As they increased their speed, they perceived the layers of the world gradually decreasing while they moved outside the three dimensions.

In the superluminal speed that has far surpassed light, I feel a phenomenon as if the layers of the world are gradually turning planar and narrow.

I, who can sense the dimension above the fourth dimension at the True Immortal-level, begin having my perception degrade to the third dimension, and then to the second dimension as the speed accelerates.

'The world...is turning into a flat plane?'

The universe transforms as if into a sheet of paper, and Kim Young-hoon runs on top of the paper drawn with countless constellations and superclusters.

The extra axes should extend perpendicularly to the flattened universe, even as the universe contracts.

In that state, Kim Young-hoon begins to accelerate once more.

And I feel the universe, which has become planar and started to resemble a sheet of paper, gradually 'narrowing.'

If we accelerate to the extreme at this rate, the universe will eventually become a thin line.

In other words, it seems it would turn into a first-dimensional level.

However, reaching that level seems a bit difficult even for Kim Young-hoon as he does not achieve one dimension.

The universe, having turned into a sheet of paper, only contracts to the level of a typical mortal's country.

Yet still encompassed by boundary of the Heavenly Domain.

The moment we pierced the boundary of the Heavenly Domain.

Someone used history revision to alter the boundary's attributes.

Some has given the boundary of the Heavenly Domain a powerful elasticity and tension, like a bowstring.

The boundary of the Heavenly Domain does not break.

The boundary of the Heavenly Domain, stretched due to powerful elasticity, snaps back to its original state and flings us away.

 

[korea1234]

The author of the novel has personally stated in Q&A that the Celestial Realm consists of multiple fourth-dimensional universes.

Spoiler: Q/A

Q: I don’t understand what Heavenly Domains are well. Is it like dividing Korea into provinces such as Gangwon and Jeolla?

A: It’s not a division of the universe, but multiple universes.

Heavenly Domain is 2-C.

The author is not a powerscaler, so they are unaware that higher-dimensional beings can destroy infinite multiverse. The author has even stated that they don't know much about science. Therefore, the term “higher dimension” in this novel does not refer to Tier 1.

In another Q&A, the novel's author indirectly revealed that high-dimensional beings are limited to destroying supercluster or universe or multiverses and cannot destroy infinite multiverses.

Spoiler: Q/A 2

Q: Previously, you said that a single strike of an Entering Nirvana cultivator is of solar system scale, but what about for True Immortals and Governing Immortals?

A: It depends on one’s Immortal Dao or Immortal Arts possessed, but roughly based on the Immortal Dao of Light:

Vestige Liberation Immortal - galaxy group with a single strike. (* However, a “single strike” involves a prophecy, so it takes very long. To be exact, they are capable of destroying a galaxy group over a long time using prophecy.) Normal attack without prophecy is around 10 times stronger than Entering Nirvana.

Upper Immortal - galaxy group ~ galaxy cluster. From Upper Immortal, one’s prophecy is contained in their attack, so a long time is not required.

Great Net Immortal - galaxy cluster ~ supercluster.

Immortal Lord - supercluster ~ range of cosmological structures referred to as “Fingers of God effect”. Of course, if they spend a long time, they can destroy the Heavenly Domain itself.

For Governing Immortals, it varies too much on their Seat and Mantra. For Supreme Deities, based on Liberation Supreme Deity as a standard, they are capable of destroying a universe with a single strike.

For Heavenly Venerables, with their Gandhara, they are capable of destroying a multiverse.

 

[Kavliaris]

The author of the novel has personally stated in Q&A that the Celestial Realm consists of multiple fourth-dimensional universes.

Yes, the blog acknowledges they exist, but it is separate and independent from Heavenly Domain.

In another Q&A, the novel's author indirectly revealed that high-dimensional beings are limited to destroying supercluster or universe or multiverses and cannot destroy infinite multiverses.

Again, I wasn’t talking about destruction capacity of True Immortal.
And it wasn’t required to destroy an infinite multiverse to have more spatial axes, a universe can be a singular space-time entity.

Still, the canon portrayal and more importantly, the fact that Four Death Realm are Gandhara also show resistance to dimensional flattening.

'The entire Mount Sumeru...'

The entire Mount Sumeru flattens.

In the world that becomes two-dimensional, the only beings maintaining proper form are the Governing Immortals in the far distance, Kim Young-hoon, Hyeon Mu, and we who are connected to Kim Young-hoon.

But that's not the end.

The plane begins to narrow.

The world that keeps narrowing and narrowing eventually transforms into a single 'line'.

We, connected to Kim Young-hoon, are now each standing atop that thin line.

'The world...looks like a spiderweb.'

The world has completely lost its form and transformed into one-dimensional lines unfolding before our eyes.

Countless lines entangle and interweave like a spiderweb, presenting all of existence before us.

'Is this...the world that those of Heavenly Venerable rank see?'

At that moment, we perceive someone standing upon the world that has turned into a one-dimensional line.

Beyond the distant spiderweb, Hyeon Mu is taking step after step.

Now, my mind itself connects directly to the past, present, and future themselves and touches the Akashic Records.

From this level onward, it becomes a realm that even most Immortal Lords struggle to reach. Only the highest Im
mortal Lords or the Supreme Deities can reach this mental domain.

And at the same time that I realize my mind has connected to void, I realize I can now move at Spirit Speed.

Kiriririk!

The surrounding environment seems to slightly distort.

Had this place been Mount Sumeru, I might have felt an illusion of the dimension flattening, but perhaps because I am inside the Gandhara, the surrounding objects remain unchanged.

Mind in the domain of void.

And speed reaching the domain of Spirit Speed.

Above the net, the Underworld sits in a lotus position.

Even after refining my mind to such a degree that everything in all of existence turns into a net named 'Indra's Net'...

'And yet, the Underworld still maintains that form.'

 

[korea1234]

Yes, the blog acknowledges they exist, but it is separate and independent from Heavenly Domain.

Again, I wasn’t talking about destruction capacity of True Immortal.
And it wasn’t required to destroy an infinite multiverse to have more spatial axes, a universe can be a singular space-time entity.

Still, the canon portrayal and more importantly, the fact that Four Death Realm are Gandhara also show resistance to dimensional flattening.

I'm not saying there are no higher dimensions. For example, while Hoyoverse has 11 dimensions, it isn't recognized as High 1-C. I'm trying to say this novel is a similar case.

 

[Kavliaris]

I'm not saying there are no higher dimensions. For example, while Hoyoverse has 11 dimensions, it isn't recognized as High 1-C. I'm trying to say this novel is a similar case.

The Hoyoverse was contended to be small or compactified, essentially not extended to the same length as the three spatial coordinates.
While dimensional flattening affects the entire Heavenly Domain, or at least the one perceived, time comes to a halt and dimensions flatten.

 

[korea1234]

The Hoyoverse was contended to be small or compactified, essentially not extended to the same length as the three spatial coordinates.
While dimensional flattening affects the entire Heavenly Domain, or at least the one perceived, time comes to a halt and dimensions flatten.

It's larger than Hoyoverse's higher dimension, but it might be smaller than the higher dimension mentioned on BattleWiki. The reason I think it's similar to Hoyoverse is that even higher-dimensional beings who have reached the Akashic Records cannot destroy the Infinite Multiverse.

If that is what BattleWiki refers to as a higher dimension, then beings who have reached the Akashic Records must be Tier 1 characters. Isn't it contradictory that Tier 1 characters cannot destroy the infinite multiverse?

The gap between higher-dimensional beings and lower-dimensional beings must be infinite. Yet the fact that an infinite multiverse cannot be destroyed implies that the gap is not infinite.

 

[korea1234]

As far as I know, a character who has reached Tier 1 space is Tier 1, and Tier 1 space is superior to the infinite multiverse. Therefore, a character who has reached Tier 1 space must be superior to the infinite multiverse and must be able to destroy the infinite multiverse.

However, in this novel, characters who reach higher-dimensional space are not superior to the infinite multiverse. This is precisely why I called it an anti-feat.

Of course, this is based solely on my understanding of Battle Wiki's Tier 1 rules, so it might not be factual. I'm speaking strictly within the scope of my knowledge of Tier 1 rules.

 

[Kavliaris]

I’ll wait for input from other knowledgeable members.

Anyway, my point is that the concept of dimension in RToC does not exclusively refer to the Four Death Realms, but also to the spatial dimensions of the Plane of Qi.

 

[korea1234]

I’ll wait for input from other knowledgeable members.

Anyway, my point is that the concept of dimension in RToC does not exclusively refer to the Four Death Realms, but also to the spatial dimensions of the Plane of Qi.

Yes. I agree that we should first hear the opinions of other experts. For starters, the soul dimension and the destiny dimension are lower than the fifth dimension. I've seen a scan that explicitly states the soul dimension and the destiny dimension are lower than the fifth dimension.

 

[Devourer1]

Where does RTOC scale?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

As far as I know, a character who has reached Tier 1 space is Tier 1, and Tier 1 space is superior to the infinite multiverse. Therefore, a character who has reached Tier 1 space must be superior to the infinite multiverse and must be able to destroy the infinite multiverse.

However, in this novel, characters who reach higher-dimensional space are not superior to the infinite multiverse. This is precisely why I called it an anti-feat.

Of course, this is based solely on my understanding of Battle Wiki's Tier 1 rules, so it might not be factual. I'm speaking strictly within the scope of my knowledge of Tier 1 rules.

Doesnt immortal world view lower realm as a painting and entering lower reality without a special ability would tear it like tearing a painting and immortal world is explicitly 5th dimensional

 

[korea1234]

Doesnt immortal world view lower realm as a painting and entering lower reality without a special ability would tear it like tearing a painting and immortal world is explicitly 5th dimensional

Because, in this novel, an anti-feat exists where higher dimensions are not superior to infinite multiverses.

I explained why I think that way in the comment above.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Because, in this novel, an anti-feat exists where higher dimensions are not superior to infinite multiverses.

I explained why I think that way in the comment above.

Couldn’t you say the multiverse is itself equivalent in tier to higher dimensional stuff if it’s equivalent to immortal world

 

[korea1234]

Couldn’t you say the multiverse is itself equivalent in tier to higher dimensional stuff if it’s equivalent to immortal world

The problem is that, according to the author of this novel in the Q&A, among the higher-dimensional beings, the weaker entities possess a lower physical quantity than what is required to destroy multiple superclusters in a single strike.

Spoiler: Q/A 2

Great Net Immortal - galaxy cluster ~ supercluster.

Immortal Lord - supercluster ~

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The problem is that, according to the author of this novel in the Q&A, among the higher-dimensional beings, the weaker entities possess a lower physical quantity than what is required to destroy multiple superclusters in a single strike.

Spoiler: Q/A 2

Great Net Immortal - galaxy cluster ~ supercluster.

Immortal Lord - supercluster ~

The author is just contradicted by story then when they'd literally destroy reality if they enter it without any safeguards.

 

[korea1234]

The author is just contradicted by story then when they'd literally destroy reality if they enter it without any safeguards.

This is purely hypothetical. From the outset, the scenario where reality is instantly destroyed the moment a higher-dimensional being enters it has never appeared in this novel.

Rather, the story depicts instances where a higher-dimensional being entered reality, yet reality remained intact.

Spoiler: Chapter 664

At the same time, the power of the Ancient Force Realm pushes me strongly into the Astral Realm of the Sun and Moon Heavenly Domain, and I begin to soar in that direction through its power.

Paaaatt!

I change into my main body and take the first step, carried by the power surging from the Ancient Force Realm.

This is the case. A higher-dimensional being has entered a reality lower than its own, yet the lower reality remains intact.
In other words, the higher dimension in this novel is merely a much smaller dimension than the infinite multiverse.

And, personally, I believe the author's words should take precedence.
The author is the one who created the story, and the author is the one who knows the story best.

 

[Kavliaris]

are we def still bringing infinite multiverse as anti-feat
most true immortal are 'smaller' than Heavenly Domain anyway, but they could destroy middle realm with presence alone

Spoiler: 739

'This is why it's impossible for mortal beings to resist True Immortals.'

Quite literally, just by recognizing them, an attraction force is formed, and the more one thinks of a True Immortal, the more they grant that True Immortal a foothold to approach.

Not only a single human being, but if I wished, I could dye an entire Middle Realm with thoughts of me, and destroy it utterly without the need of Immortal Arts or any special authority.

Just by connecting attraction force and revealing my presence.

And yes they can descend safely to HD, it also noted it was closer to concept rather than physical

Spoiler: 615

When I glance ahead, I suddenly see the Vestige Liberation Immortals whose massive presences have been felt for a while.

They do not take their Transformation form. Instead, they have descended directly in their main bodies.

Having descended into the cosmic space in their main bodies, these True Immortals are entangled with each other.

True Immortals, rather than possessing a singular physical body, are closer to being a concept or a massive mass of energy, so their entanglement appears like two nebulae writhing and overlapping.

 

[korea1234]

'This is why it's impossible for mortal beings to resist True Immortals.'

Quite literally, just by recognizing them, an attraction force is formed, and the more one thinks of a True Immortal, the more they grant that True Immortal a foothold to approach.

Not only a single human being, but if I wished, I could dye an entire Middle Realm with thoughts of me, and destroy it utterly without the need of Immortal Arts or any special authority.

Just by connecting attraction force and revealing my presence.

The Middle Realm is not a supercluster. The author's words refer not to a galaxy, but to a supercluster.

And the destruction of the Middle Realm occurs not due to the presence of higher-dimensional beings, but through the connection of the attractive force. It is because all beings in the Middle Realm think about higher-dimensional beings that they become connected through the attractive force, leading to the destruction of the Middle Realm. What this connection entails is well described in Chapter 741.

Spoiler: Chapter 741

Wol Ah feels as if her mind is going numb from the fear of this fearsome Mountain Divine Spirit of Sword Mountain.

A True Immortal notices when someone mentions or thinks of them.

It is because an attraction force forms between the one who thinks of the True Immortal and the True Immortal themselves.

If it is a famous True Immortal, they often do not care about such attraction force and ignore it, but I am not like that.

'Hmm...'

Though I am indeed famous, my main body remains hidden, so I have no choice but to keep a close watch on those who think of me.

And now, I smile as I see a familiar face among those who have formed an attraction force with me.

'You've walked well into it.'

Wol Ah, who lacks knowledge about True Immortals, is steadily forming an attraction force with me.

At first, it is I who deliberately approached and faintly implanted my essence into her Heart Demon, but afterwards it is Wol Ah who keeps recalling me, and thus the attraction between us is growing stronger.

'This is why it's impossible for mortal beings to resist True Immortals.'

When I glance ahead, I suddenly see the Vestige Liberation Immortals whose massive presences have been felt for a while.

They do not take their Transformation form. Instead, they have descended directly in their main bodies.

Having descended into the cosmic space in their main bodies, these True Immortals are entangled with each other.

True Immortals, rather than possessing a singular physical body, are closer to being a concept or a massive mass of energy, so their entanglement appears like two nebulae writhing and overlapping.

There is mention that these are nebulae. The absence of a physical body simply means that one has shed the human body.

Spoiler: Chapter 615~616

We all stare blankly at the two intertwined masses of nebulae.

Within them, a sun is being born.

'Ah...'

I immediately understand.

Those True Immortals are in the middle of creating a child right in the center of the open plain, visible to everyone.

As we approach their surroundings, the two True Immortals even more intensely entangle themselves, as if deliberately showing off.

Kurururung, kurururung!

From the union of the two True Immortals, stellar winds blow, and stellar lightning spark.

The sun forming within burns ever brighter, its heat intensifying.

As if they are changing positions, the forms of the nebulae swirl and mix more vigorously, spiraling chaotically.

Jjeooooooong!

Kwarurururung!

Wiiiing!

Kwajijijijijik!

Kududududuk!

Kwang! Kwang! Kwang!

As if the True Immortals are moaning, letting out cries of union, roars and explosions that seem to split Heaven and Earth resound and spread throughout the entire universe, with spiritual energy as the medium.

Spoiler: Chapter 616

"Yes, Master... That is normally how it's done. Who would bother to maintain a Transformation form while doing it? The Transformation form is merely a mask recalling their time as mortals. When True Immortals copulate, they instead return to a form closer to their essence. Even so, most have a sense of decorum... They usually create a barrier inside the nebula, or cover the surroundings with a dimensional veil... But those obscene bastards...! Huu..."

 

[Kavliaris]

Let me summarize first:
1. The Lower Realm of the Three Planes has its own universe space and time, and the True Immortal Realm repeatedly and explicitly transcends it, even if the time gap rises across Mount Sumeru or Mount Sumeru perishes (chapters 771–772).
2. Your disagreement is based on the fact that True Immortals cannot affect 2-A structures, according to the
author's Q&A regarding destructive capacity, and the fact that they can enter the Heavenly Domain as "higher-di
mensional beings."

And the destruction of the Middle Realm occurs not due to the presence of higher-dimensional beings, but through the connection of the attractive force. It is because all beings in the Middle Realm think about higher-dimensional beings that they become connected through the attractive force, leading to the destruction of the Middle Realm. What this connection entails is well described in Chapter 741.

I haven't gathered scans for the attraction force, but as a metaphysical force also responsible for the expansion and contraction of the universe, it implies it being a kind of higher dimensional force situated at the highest among the three planes.

Spoiler: Attraction force

771

As countless seas of stars and galaxy clusters rush by, repeatedly condensing and expanding under attraction force, the sight looks as if blood is circulating through the veins and a heart is beating within some beast.

518

I sense the twisting of history and future as seen through the visions of the Heaven and Earth Tribes.

Space and time bends under the influence of attraction force, and the future scenes that I am 'able to approach' are becoming fixed into one.

The scene of [Cedarwood Painting developing a flaw]!

This scene, prophesied by the combined efforts of the True Persons, is the only future I am now able to approach.

170

The plane of Qi (氣), which has a profound impact on the material and life force of the world.

The plane of Soul (魂), guiding the direction of all things from a position higher than Qi's plane.

And even higher in a remote place, the plane of Fate (命), guiding the truths of the world.

The world is made of these three planes.

Depending on the dimension's hierarchy, existence manifests as Qi, Soul, or Fate.

Essentially, Qi, Soul, and Fate are the same.

801

“When rules arise in chaos and logic accumulates layer upon layer, that itself is History, and it is Qi which governs the laws of the physical world.

“If, while the workings of chaos are endlessly changing, the shapes of those changes split apart one by one, those split fragments are emotions, and what makes those emotions gather and change into countless forms is exactly Soul.

“Lastly, if the flow of chaos is given a direction, that direction is Fate.”

Logic and laws are Qi.

Form and change are Soul.

Direction is Fate.

 

[korea1234]

Let me summarize first:
1. The Lower Realm of the Three Planes has its own universe space and time, and the True Immortal Realm repeatedly and explicitly transcends it, even if the time gap rises across Mount Sumeru or Mount Sumeru perishes (chapters 771–772).
2. Your disagreement is based on the fact that True Immortals cannot affect 2-A structures, according to the
author's Q&A regarding destructive capacity, and the fact that they can enter the Heavenly Domain as "higher-di
mensional beings."

I haven't gathered scans for the attraction force, but as a metaphysical force also responsible for the expansion and contraction of the universe, it implies it being a kind of higher dimensional force situated at the highest among the three planes.

Spoiler: Attraction force

771

518

170

801

The Three Planes are not the fifth dimension. Chapter 539 explicitly states that the Three Planes are not the fifth dimension. Furthermore, I recall seeing the author of this novel state in their Q&A that the Three Planes are not the fifth dimension.

Spoiler: Chapter 539

Simply put, the Formless Sword, which once freely roamed the Three Planes, can now move beyond both the Three Planes and the Five Dimensions.

 

[Kavliaris]

Simply put, the Formless Sword, which once freely roamed the Three Planes, can now move beyond both the Three Planes and the Five Dimensions.

this already addressed by blogs Astral Realm+Four Gandhara=Five Dimension(not to be confused with low-1c). and Three Planes strictly speaking not 'dimension'. Is it Chaos when separated

Spoiler: 801

"What do you think chaos is?"

"When I saw it in his memories...it seems to be the medium of creation, but honestly I do not really know. It just seems like a substance where the three planes are mixed..."

"Chaos is a 'story'."

"A story...you say? This thing where the three planes are mixed together...?"

"Yes. To begin with...what are you made of?"

"Well of course..."

I immediately understand what they are trying to say.

Every existence is made up of the planes of Qi, Soul, and Fate.

In that case, chaos in which the three planes are mixed together can also be seen as a kind of 'existence'.

"Are you saying this too is some kind of existence?"

"Wrong. All existence in truth is chaos. But then why is existence divided into chaos and existence that is not chaos."

Spoiler: 539

My Immortal Art, the Impermanence Sword, as a sword that truly pursues freedom, can 'give and receive' power not only with the planes of Qi, Soul, and Fate but also with the Interdimensional Void, the Netherworld, the Eastern Heaven Flower Field, and the Source River, all layered upon the Astral Realm.

Simply put, the Formless Sword, which once freely roamed the Three Planes, can now move beyond both the Three Planes and the Five Dimensions.

For example, I can now borrow power from the Underworld, the Source River, or the Eastern Heaven Flower Field to directly face a True Immortal 'without advancing'.

btw can we focus on the OP? It's getting too cluttered with Immortal Domain.

 

[korea1234]

btw can we

Getting back to the original point, I believe Heaven Domain and the higher dimensions in this novel cannot be classified as low 1-C tier. I've already explained the reasons for this view sufficiently in previous comments.