Tbf the Vishanti also enabled Doom without any issue with the war crimes he was committing, so Wanda is right that the Vishanti aren't the best experts of character. Not to mention all the people they sent to their deaths in the WotSS, only to make a ceasefire at the last minute with the Trinity of Ashes.
Wong new Sorcerer Supreme
Well, used to be above Earth's superheroes, except for Doctor Strange and Phoenix. Then Marvel Comics writers and editors managed to invent some kind of headcanon that Thor somehow represented a Nazi patriarchy and began to humiliate and depower him as much as possible, while upgrading quite a lot of other superheroes to irrational degrees in conjunction.
Casual Thor mebbe...Well, used to be above Earth's superheroes, except for Doctor Strange and Phoenix. Then Marvel Comics writers and editors managed to invent some kind of headcanon that Thor somehow represented a Nazi patriarchy and began to humiliate and depower him as much as possible, while upgrading quite a lot of other superheroes to irrational degrees in conjunction.
Make a profile for Modern Loki too~
we desperately need one
I hear conflicting accounts on if he's cool or not, so, it'd be interesting to see what happens.
He's definitely interesting, though sometimes I wonder if that's the good kind of interesting or if that's the, "wow, they've done way too much with this character" sort of interesting.
I plan on improving his classic profile in da future
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The problem is that its kinda arbitrary what counts as "casual." Like baby Thor has a 1-A feat that we treat as being a "peak" feat despite him being, you know, a literal baby.
At some point I want to give him stat upgrades. 1-A magic via scaling to Seth and Doctor Strange. Physical stats I'm not sure about though. There are several instances where Loki's physical strength is implied to not be all that far below Thor's, but Thor is posing a big problem for scaling right now.
You can handle tiering I'm focusing on his P&A, his current P&A section is badly lacking
Thor’s peak is qualitatively superior to his normal/heavily holding back output, all of the training and aging in the world isn’t going to ever give you a qualitative increase, meaning that if his peak is currently qualitatively superior to his “normal” output then as his peak as a baby would be qualitatively superior to his normal output
He actually is another level lol. 1-A at peak is pretty consistent across the hundreds of issues I've indexed
Ok, but the writers absolutely were not thinking of it in that way. There is absolutely no chance that any writer working for Marvel ever thought of baby Thor as being "qualitatively superior" to someone like Silver Surfer. That is a concept this wiki has imposed on Marvel. Scaling should be based on in-universe logic, not our rules
The more I read of his stuff the more I agree
What the writers were thinking of is irrelevant, we can’t determine what the majority of writers were thinking but we can determine what was shown in the comics, therefore it is more logical to judge stuff by what happened in the comics not what the writers were thinking, and we can’t scale based on in universe rules, different universes have completely incompatible rules because different pieces of fiction have very different ideas about how power in general works, meaning the most effective way to scale characters is to use a single system
Thor is literally a god after all, it would be weird if he wasn’t as impressive as he is
Maybe hulk’s 5-B end, he resists a good amount of that guy’s Hax and isn’t able to Hax stomp the guy into oblivion
Hulk is literally impossible to kill or properly knock out without 1-A hax. And Gul'dan is lethal incarnate.
fair point,
There's always Fun & Games
Be smarter. Put them both in a room made of Mysterium. Let them throw hands.
You mean Mr. High 8-C?
Well, probably not… Victor is a bit too skilled. Him with tech would be better against… I want to say Illidan, but without magic Illidan is… well… blind.
Now you see my problem.
Hmm. Any tier 3s? If any infinite strength statements are by default tier 3 (I think?), then maybe some heralds would do?
I haven't exactly sorted out Cosmology, but currently the only tier 3s are over time destruction for the burning Legion and environmental destruction for Nozdormu and Murozond... and frankly that's probably 2-B environmental destruction.
