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??? Homegirl at third at best. Its Rien, Matthias, Valecina, Dihui followed by Callisto
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Project Moon Discussion 2
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Yeah, Valecina only really has the Eye going for her and even that only lasts so long before overheating against stronger foes than her (Vergilius). In-game levels (77, lowest alongside "Yoru"), Mang (Rien and "Yoru" have her beat there), even in just mentality stuff like not having a temper tantrum in the middle of a battle, she's not that high up.
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my post got deleted fah...
My justification for why Valecina is lowkey strongest nursefather per usual, comes down to the eye. Since she was able to clash with Vergilus, have evades that roll higher then him despite the offense level gap between them and the reaction speed to keep up with him makes it so that she's effectively able to cheese the rest of the nursefathers. None of them have that obscene of a gap that would make it so that she won't be able to somewhat clash with the nursefathers, lose some? Probably, since Matthias especially hits like a nuke- but I don't an overwhelming gap between them that'd make the eye overheat. Her palermitan style is noted to get stronger over the course of clashes alongside accelerating future and such, so that's there too.
My justification for why Valecina is lowkey strongest nursefather per usual, comes down to the eye. Since she was able to clash with Vergilus, have evades that roll higher then him despite the offense level gap between them and the reaction speed to keep up with him makes it so that she's effectively able to cheese the rest of the nursefathers. None of them have that obscene of a gap that would make it so that she won't be able to somewhat clash with the nursefathers, lose some? Probably, since Matthias especially hits like a nuke- but I don't an overwhelming gap between them that'd make the eye overheat. Her palermitan style is noted to get stronger over the course of clashes alongside accelerating future and such, so that's there too.
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Valecina is obviously not weak, but she dosnt stack up featwise. Matthias has the best on screen feat of pushing a color on his not so weak entourage around while using a weapon that straight up refuses him, while Rien is a star of the city, capable of killing multiple Proxys even after Ryoshu nearly bisected him. For reference, Kali killing 5 Proxys and 2-3 Messengers at once is considered a legendary feat. Third place is justified.
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WHAT?? KILLING 3 MESSENGERS AND 5 PROXIES IS A LEGENDARY FEAT??
I THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST RANDOMS I need to finish LOR IMMEDIATELYAlso, Rien was even more nerfed since wounds by the Arayashiki are explicitly noted to nerf the enemies' offense level and defense level, check Araya's "Tiansha Star's Blade Wound" for that one. Matthias one is fair, I consider all 3 of them interchangable for the same reason
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It's a stop gap measure however.
If we go by gameplay and dialogue, it's only going to last so long before overheating, especially against stronger opponents. And when it overheats, she goes blind in one eye + the socket itself begins hurting her. And notably she has no way of recovering from overheat other than cool down periods between/during fights during which she is vulnerable.
Yeah, in comparison Valecina can fight against Vergilius, a stronger Colour to Vespa, but she is very explicitly losing hard even when using Charon as a shield + in the cutscenes, she is sent flying repeatedly (albeit, precog lets her block the hits). Meanwhile Matthias holds his own against far greater odds. Heck, Vespa can't even get a decisive hit until Matthias has a hole in his chest.
Rien also one shot a Grade 1 Fixer, albeit he did leap from a building to do that.
For a point of comparison, 3 Proxies (and 2 Proselytes) is a major mid Star of the City (aka, late game) boss fight.WHAT?? KILLING 3 MESSENGERS AND 5 PROXIES IS A LEGENDARY FEAT??
Also, Rien was even more nerfed since wounds by the Arayashiki are explicitly noted to nerf the enemies' offense level and defense level, check Araya's "Tiansha Star's Blade Wound" for that one. Matthias one is fair, I consider all 3 of them interchangable for the same reason
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My bad I was wrong I thought the index was a syndicate of nobodies except for Sora, Rien, Yan & Hermes my apologies I was not familiar with their game
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Index is stupidly pushed compared to the thumb, its downright comical. If it werent for Lei Heng, the Thumb would had negative aura at this point. Which is a shame, considering that i like the thumb the most of all the fingers.
Right, Rien is an actual monster. Lei Heng is actually scared of him
Right, Rien is an actual monster. Lei Heng is actually scared of him
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Anyone would be terrified of a guy who can pull of a 3 Mang Furioso/Crescendo hybrid.
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Compared to all the Fingers, the Index and Pinky are probably the most iconic atm. The Index has major relevance in LoR and now Limbus and both times they have major weight. The Thumb show up in both too but... yeah, like First_Witch says, Lei Heng saves them and even then, he's also a Pinky.
The Ring have a lot of narrative driving force thanks to Leviathan to the story of Limbus, but they seem to be a lot less directly relevant to Limbus atm. The Middle are a steady presence after getting devastated in LoR before the story even started.
The Ring have a lot of narrative driving force thanks to Leviathan to the story of Limbus, but they seem to be a lot less directly relevant to Limbus atm. The Middle are a steady presence after getting devastated in LoR before the story even started.
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Pinky? Iconic???? We only a couple of pinky members shown on screen and even then we barely know nothing of how they operate. I would have suggested the index and middle for iconic fingers
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You're talking like as if the index has any aurafarmers beside Rien. Most of them are pretty lame besides Yan
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Well, less that the Pinky itself is iconic and more its members are. Kong Qiu, Lei Heng, Zilu, Araya, seemingly even Ryoshu if you check her base ID traits after Canto IX are all very iconic.
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Oh yeah, I thought you meant as an organization as a whole. Though I wouldn't really say that they represent the pinky as a whole since each of them are extremely diverse in their goals and such
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The Index as a whole has undoubtly the highest amount of aura of the fingers. The index is the only finger with a confirmed star of the city level character. Killing a group of Proxies is a legendary feat. Once Kalos and his 3 Capos were out of the picture, the Index completly wiped the Thumb off L corp territory. The Index simply has the highest amount of glazing now.
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That kind seems like what the Pinky is so far tbf. Other than the rare times they meet in a summon, each one is free to do what they want. It's why Yoru was so mad at being in the House of Spiders. Her freedom was shackled.
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Huh, then low-key the pinky seem like the best place to work at. It also makes it ironic in contrast to Rien in how the guy is no way free at all
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But do they have a move as cool as Savage Tigerslayer's Perfected Flurry of Blades? No, checkmate Index
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Castigation and Furioso-Lacrimoso-Crescendo (even if it's a rip off) say otherwise.
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At least Valencia didn't make the thumb aura even further negative, but she's really very complex figure to begin with
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In scaling? No, he lowkey might be second strongest nursefather, behind Valecina
In how he did Kira? SONNNNNNNNN
Yeah I honestly feel that, but people dismissed a lot of Matthias feats in his fight with DD chars because "Well this person is utter garbage, hence his impressive feats are dismissed, because if he's that strong he don't need to use Kira as a sacrifice and using the relic without being such of bumass idiot"
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Tbf I wouldn't say that Valencia reduced the thumb's aura that much. Sure she's kinda ass, but the way how she fights is so cool that you can't help but be impressed.
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Dude has the most insane endurance I've ever seen in a PM character
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Honestly, her VA and skill animations managed to balance out her horrible of a person her character is somewhat.
They're just that good.
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He's still cracked, and the people using that argument didn't play the initial part of the fight where the DD cast got turned into silly puddy, and even held his own in values even when Moses nerfs his clashes to ntohing
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Realized I could promote here a bit late but I got a matchup going on rn if anyone wants to check it out
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YOU COOKED!!!!
I have like, very small gripes with this but this profile is exceptional goat.
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Overall good, but the Attack Potency section paints an overall inflated image.
Jamilla only notes Rien as outright at that level. To be specific, she warns her team that Rien is a Proxy of the Index and a former Star of the City. None of the other Nursefathers are noted as former Stars of the City and they all vary in strength, so we cannot use one statement for all the others without direct correlation.
Secondly, Valencina does go toe to toe with Vergilius but she doesn't match him. Notably every cutscene where they clash has Valecina go flying, even while blocking attacks, and sweat. In fact, in the VN style cutscenes of Part 2, she even complains that Vergilius looks unbothered while she's exhausted, and that's while using Charon as a shield. Vergilius even outright says Valecina didn't wound him in Part One despite them already being engaged in an extended melee at that point. And ofc, we see Vergilius never use anything more than Shin and 2 Mang at best, not even E.G.O.
You can say she is comparable to Vergilius, being able to endure an extended duel with him and even keep up somewhat with her Relic, but not match him.
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Okay, honestly? I think the possibly Relativistic+ scaling should just be turned straight up into just Relativistic+.
Matthias's methodology of combat suggests brutish fighting style, especially since he nuked all of the other abnormalities, what would make this one the exception? Especially since he wasn't "weakened" by the damage inflicted to him by the Human Thunderbolt and most likely dispatched him like all of the other people. There is nothing really suggesting otherwise, and since Matthias's perception isn't completely reducing Vespa, Moses, Ezra into nothing (the gap between Rel+ and MHS+ in the profiles is 85,452 m/s to 50% of the speed of light as a lowball would be):
1.499e+8/85452 = 1754.2 times.
Matthias isn't really bullet-timing seeing everyone as slow. So the DD
Other then that, I'd probably order the speed like this:
Atleast Massively Hypersonic with At most Relativistic+ Combat, Perception & Reaction Speeds (The Eye of Precognition is akin to a computing device that analyzes everything it sees and provides the most likely scenario in the upcoming instant, allowing Valecina to contend and keep up with Vergilus through the eye of precognition: countering his strikes and evading them whilsts drunk. Though, overheated as Vergilus and the sinners overwhelmed it with time.
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Considering we're doing all the nursefathers, do I do RIen or Matthias?
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Rien's more relevant for the story, but Matthias has that Relativistic scaling importance.
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That, and I hated fighting Rien. Sinking's a ***** to deal with.
But, having mind corrosion that works on things without minds (training dummies have SP, Canto 8-9) is funny
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Funny how stuff like that can accidentally buff a character's hax.
Tbh, personally speaking, I really would like to see Rien more.
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Speaking of Rien, do make seperate keys covering the difference? Rien was nerfed in his fight against the sinners, but his prime has statements of him being the star of a city and such.
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Possibly? Granted, we don't ever see his prime key beyond descriptions.
And even his nerfed key is in the Star of the City tier given his feats.
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I really need to finish LOR bro
I have never even TOUCHED lobotomy corporation
I have never even TOUCHED lobotomy corporation
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shrug, I'm up for anything
the last 2 remaining callisto fans on this rock will get a profile in 2029, or when I feel like it (never)
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Lob Corp's a wild ride. Honestly, minus the Head and Kali, the Abnos there are some of the most powerful things in Verse.I really need to finish LOR bro
I have never even TOUCHED lobotomy corporation
LoR's where, in my opinion, PM really gets their signature style going.
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I liked LOR. The reason I stopped playing is because my PC kept lowkey blowing up.
I would really like a Roland profile though, I was gonna put him against Rien when I finish his profile.
I think i remember seeing a Roland sandbox here, I'd need to dig it up.
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