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Snyderman Speed revision

To summarize everything since the lightning arguement isn't the main one anymore:
Flash's ftl statements doesn't cap the verse cause:
  • Flash can likely slow down time around him.
  • Flash can actually go ftl without reversing time as seen in the final battle. (He needs to go faster than he ever attempted to charge Cyborg and he didn't reverse time while doing so)
  • Just going ftl doesn't make you automatically reverse time, as seen with Scout Ship, which travelled 27.1 light years (Krypton to Earth) in 10 years, or Blue Beetle.
 
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Ozcantabak said:
To summarize everything since the lightning arguement isn't the main one anymore:
  • Superman, and Black Adam who is inferior to Superman has light speed or faster than light statements.
  • Superman statues characters that have rela+ feats.
  • Cyborg has conanical nanosecond reaciton/preception statement yet he can't react to Superman. (Calced at 10.5c)
Flash's ftl statements doesn't cap the verse cause:
  • Flash can likely slow down time around him.
  • Flash can actually go ftl without reversing time as seen in the final battle.
  • Just going ftl doesn't make you automatically reverse time, as seen with Scout Ship, which travelled 27.1 light years (Krypton to Earth) in 10 years, or Blue Beetle.
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I also believe it’s mentioned that the Speed-Force is a higher dimensional force (it absolutely is and explicitly connected to the timeline if we count ArrowVerse properties) so it’s entirely possible that Flash’s speed altering time would just be a property of Speed-Force use, rather then a hard in-universe rule about FTL=Immeasurable
 
Wonder Woman is currently accepted as 0.59c (Relativistic+). However, in the Heroes Park scene, she exhibits absolutely zero conscious or muscular reaction while Superman is tracking Flash.

If a character with 0.59c reaction speed is completely statued (unable to process a thought or twitch a muscle), then Superman cannot logically remain in the same 'Relativistic+' tier. To perceive a 0.59c object as frozen requires a speed significantly higher, likely bordering on Speed of Light or FTL.
 
Jason_Courne said:
Süpermen'in fırlatmasından sonra hala hareket ediyorlar (bu sefer daha da belirgin bir şekilde ve evet, arka planın hareketini de ölçtüm, kamera kaydırmasından daha fazla hareket ediyorlardı) ve eğer hareket etmeselerdi, bu Süpermen'in kendi fırlatmasının Adalet Birliği'nin hareketine değil, kendi algısına bağlı olduğu anlamına gelirdi.

Daha önce de söylediğim gibi, Aquaman kelimenin tam anlamıyla kafasını aşağı çeviriyor , tüm yüzünün açısını değiştiriyor ve saç çizgisini gözle görülür şekilde kaydırıyor; bu sadece kamera efektleri veya bozulma olamaz. Kamera sola kaydırıldığında, hem Cyborg'un hem de Aquaman'ın kolları dikey olarak hareket ediyordu. Kare kare veya ağır çekimde izlerseniz çok daha belirgin hale geliyor.

"İçgüdüsel" bir tepki anlık değildir, kelimenin tam anlamıyla eylemin gerçekleştiği anda olmaz, en azından beynin bilgiyi işlemesini gerektirir. Özellikle Süpermen'in fırlatışı onları istemsiz olarak kendi kapasitelerinin üzerinde bir hızla hareket ettireceği için, onun eylemleri ile onların bunu algılamaları ve nihai tepkileri arasında bir gecikme olacaktır.
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Please review these two high-quality frames side-by-side, which completely debunk the idea of any conscious reaction or movement:

Frame 1 (Superman on the ground):

Frame 2 (Superman propelling himself into the air):

1. The Action Economy: In the first frame, Superman is completely stationary on the ground. In the second frame, he has fully propelled himself several meters into the air. This requires bending the knees, generating immense physical force, and displacing his entire body mass upwards. This is a complex, multi-stage macro-movement.

2. The Control Variable (Wonder Woman): We must focus on Wonder Woman in the background. On VSBW, DCEU Wonder Woman is currently accepted at 0.59c (Relativistic+).

3. The Conclusion: During the entire time it takes for Superman to initiate his jump and travel several meters into the air, Wonder Woman (a 0.59c character) experiences absolutely zero displacement. Her sword angle, her bodily posture, and even the wrinkles in her cape remain perfectly identical in both frames. She travels 0 meters while Superman completes a full trajectory.

Since no physical contact has been made yet, momentum is out of the equation. If a canonically 0.59c character cannot twitch a single muscle while Superman completes a full body movement, that is the textbook, irrefutable definition of being statued. They are completely frozen to his perception.
 
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