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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

New Gaara matchup for yall
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Choso vs Gaara [0-0-0]

Choso (Shinjuku Showdown Arc) Attack Potency: At least 124.2 Tons Durability: At least 124.2 Tons Lifting Strength: 2.45 Tons (Class 5) Gaara (Chūnin Exams to Konoha Crush) Attack Potency: 18.58 Tons Physically, >92.9 Tons with Sand Durability: 18.58 Tons Physically, 92.9 Tons with Sand Armor...
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Out of context meme panel
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TheRustyOne said:
Okay I noticed this awhile ago, but I thought someone would've fixed it by now.
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A problem from here still hasn't been solved, even after two years. Gaara now has seven Keys, but only six Lifting Strength values.

His lowest value for his Sand, the Class M value, is still using a feat from his second key. The Sasuke Retrieval Key.

I have no idea what the value/solution should be, but is he supposed to be scaling from a feat he performed in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc? Considering his AP and LS in the Sasuke Retrieval Key have a drastically higher value, I'm going to assume that is a mistake.
 
TheRustyOne said:
A problem from here still hasn't been solved, even after two years. Gaara now has seven Keys, but only six Lifting Strength values.

His lowest value for his Sand, the Class M value, is still using a feat from his second key. The Sasuke Retrieval Key.

I have no idea what the value/solution should be, but is he supposed to be scaling from a feat he performed in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc? Considering his AP and LS in the Sasuke Retrieval Key have a drastically higher value, I'm going to assume that is a mistake.
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I have fixed it.
Thanks for pointing that out.
 
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Shibai Otsutsuki Universal+ Removel

Shibai got universal+ off these statements one from momoshiki and one from the Boruto data base. These are not definitive statements at all this just lore or rumors based on the fact they used the word said. Which is a word used to avoid committing to a truth asserted by the speaker "be...
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I think the Otsutsuki physiology was just forgotten to be added to Borutos profile. Someone should probably make a quick CRT to add it in ig
 
I have a question too. I hear people saying, "Naruto characters don't use genjutsu in crossverse matches because genjutsu can't be used against those without chakra." How do we prove this idea wrong? For example, in the Saitama vs. Madara and Zeref vs. Itachi versus threads, the characters won using genjutsu.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
I have a question too. I hear people saying, "Naruto characters don't use genjutsu in crossverse matches because genjutsu can't be used against those without chakra." How do we prove this idea wrong? For example, in the Saitama vs. Madara and Zeref vs. Itachi versus threads, the characters won using genjutsu.
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the sharingan sends chakra to their enemies and have that chakra control their nervous system, senses and brain. So even if they don’t have chakra (which doesn’t matter cuz if they have a spiritual aspect they are susceptible) they get the chakra from the sharingan user
Richardo908 said:
I'm kinda new here but I just wanted to ask is there a reason why isshiki sukunahikona has a speed limit. While the Naruto website describes it as instantaneous the same way it describes the flying rajin as instantaneous https://naruto-official.com/en/news/01_1713
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The context behind the word “instantaneous” is different in both cases. One is via teleportation and the other appears to be teleportation like
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
I have a question too. I hear people saying, "Naruto characters don't use genjutsu in crossverse matches because genjutsu can't be used against those without chakra." How do we prove this idea wrong? For example, in the Saitama vs. Madara and Zeref vs. Itachi versus threads, the characters won using genjutsu.
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Chakra is just the physical and spiritual aspects of a person fused into a new energy for abilities.

It's not even what naturally exists in the human body in Nard; just having its individual naturally existing components is what lets you get Genjutsu'd (a mind, a soul, the vitality of a physical body)

That being said, as long as the character in question has things like life force, a mind, or a soul. They'd have all the same things that let people be genjutsu'd in Naruto.

Chakra isn't some mystical, unquantifiable energy that only people in Naruto have.
AlternativePrinciple said:
the sharingan sends chakra to their enemies and have that chakra control their nervous system, senses and brain. So even if they don’t have chakra (which doesn’t matter cuz if they have a spiritual aspect they are susceptible) they get the chakra from the sharingan user
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That's only ever been true for one MS ability in a novel description to my knowledge.

Sharingan GJ doesn't, by default, send chakra into people.
 
Godernet said:
Chakra is just the physical and spiritual aspects of a person fused into a new energy for abilities.

It's not even what naturally exists in the human body in Nard; just having its individual naturally existing components is what lets you get Genjutsu'd (a mind, a soul, the vitality of a physical body)

That being said, as long as the character in question has things like life force, a mind, or a soul. They'd have all the same things that let people be genjutsu'd in Naruto.

Chakra isn't some mystical, unquantifiable energy that only people in Naruto have.

That's only ever been true for one MS ability in a novel description to my knowledge.

Sharingan GJ doesn't, by default, send chakra into people.
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Even on the wiki net just randomly spawns in to correct my ass
 
This shit really got closed mid debate because blue names disagreed? While David was asking for explanations to peculiar claims staff made??

Are we deadass? This is so ass bro
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
This shit really got closed mid debate because blue names disagreed? While David was asking for explanations to peculiar claims staff made??

Are we deadass? This is so ass bro
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Those aren't peculiar claims, they were explained and disagreed.

We don't consider swinging light weapons as lifting strength
 
KingTempest said:
Those aren't peculiar claims, they were explained and disagreed.

We don't consider swinging light weapons as lifting strength
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We don't have any rules against "light weapons". The only rule we have is that we need to prove correlation between speed and strength, which I did. Nothing was actually explained, I was basically just nuh-uhed.

And the constant forcing of the word "swing" instead of "force" is honestly hilarious.

I literally explained how Sasukes movement by definition isn't "swinging" and is "lifting" but since yall realize how absurd saying "lifting things isn't lifting" would be you're trying to force a different word there and avoid accurately describing the scene.
 
DavidTPPM said:
We don't have any rules against "light weapons". The only rule we have is that we need to prove correlation between speed and strength, which I did. Nothing was actually explained, I was basically just nuh-uhed.

And the constant forcing of the word "swing" instead of "force" is honestly hilarious.

I literally explained how Sasukes movement by definition isn't "swinging" and is "lifting" but since yall realize how absurd saying "lifting things isn't lifting" would be you're trying to force a different word there and avoid accurately describing the scene.
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We do have rules against light weapons and things like KE because of things just like this, absurdly light weights being used with high speeds to get high results.
 
Qawsedf admitted Sasukes exact feat would be LS if he just let go of the sword at the end and yall got so scared of having to admit that there's no difference between that and Sasuke holding onto the sword that yall had to shut the thread down and duck actually explaining it ✌️
 
KingTempest said:
Those aren't peculiar claims, they were explained and disagreed.

We don't consider swinging light weapons as lifting strength
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moving mass is producing force which IS lifting strength, objectively

this whole post of qawsed's response is deadass parroting the same claim again and again

"um yeah according to standards this isnt LS"
"this isnt LS"
"did you know this actually isn't LS"
"it's just not an LS feat
"staff disagreed with this being LS"

sounds like a programmed repeat machine spamming the same claims with different flavours with NOT ONE EXPLANATION to why, don't tell me that "they were explained"
they. were. not.
 
DavidTPPM said:
The very same rule states it's usable if we can prove the verse correlates speed with strength.

I did exactly that. We literally have an on screen statement correlating weight to speed.
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  • A verse consistently treats speed, and its relation to attack potency, in a realistic manner. Calculating kinetic energy from a character's speed isn't problematic, if it's clear that the story they're from doesn't separate speed from one's general capacity for destruction.
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People can be FTL in this verse so it's clearly not realistic, and it doesn't show any effects of moving towards relativistic speeds so no
  • The kinetic energy displayed is directly shown to be as a result of speed, or at least heavily implied to be so. Examples would be: A meteor crashing into the ground, as well as a Kaiju moving at full speed.
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Doesn't show


You fail to understand real world logic ≠ fandom logic.

You need a certain amount of LS in the real world to move your arm. Are you gonna say everyone who punches at relativistic speeds is Class P too?
 
KingTempest said:
People can be FTL in this verse so it's clearly not realistic, and it doesn't show any effects of moving towards relativistic speeds so no
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FTL speed being achievable in a verse doesn't stop it from KE or force calculations.
Literally all these rules are saying is that there has to be a correlation between speed and strength so we know this isn't a case like Quicksilver being MHS but still a bullet victim.
KingTempest said:
You fail to understand real world logic ≠ fandom logic.
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Nobody fails to understand it. You fail to understand that the fandom doesn't consider weight lifting exercises as striking strength.
No powerscaler ever is going to genuinely tell you dumbell curls are a striking feat lmao.

You're trying to create this fake narrative that somehow the wiki or even powerscalers in general consider ******* weight lifting exercises as feats of striking when that has never been even remotely close to being true.
KingTempest said:
You need a certain amount of LS in the real world to move your arm. Are you gonna say everyone who punches at relativistic speeds is Class P too?
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No because punching IS striking.

You know what isn't striking?
Bicep curling an object.

Like do you GENUINELY think this makes sense?
You say comparing bicep curling a sword to bicep curling a dumbbell is "false equivalence" and then you compare it to punching. That's honestly hilariously disingenuous.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
moving mass is producing force which IS lifting strength, objectively

this whole post of qawsed's response is deadass parroting the same claim again and again

"um yeah according to standards this isnt LS"
"this isnt LS"
"did you know this actually isn't LS"
"it's just not an LS feat
"staff disagreed with this being LS"

sounds like a programmed repeat machine spamming the same claims with different flavours with NOT ONE EXPLANATION to why, don't tell me that "they were explained"
they. were. not.
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the hell is one supposed to even debunk this with? "um actually youre wrong im right"

it's so funny as hell not a soul bothered to respond to one argument I made either and just spammed disagree in groups and shut it down
KingTempest said:
People can be FTL in this verse so it's clearly not realistic, and it doesn't show any effects of moving towards relativistic speeds so no
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every single rule in physics does not need to be applied for it to be usable, just the part im going for is, we might as well ban KE and rel ke, or basically any relevant formula for ap


an author can intend for his verse to require immense brute strength to be sol/rel while still having some people exceed baseline because it's fiction
 
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