Hazbin Hotel Revisions (I Clean-ed It Up)

[ShionAH]

• Spoiler: Adam

  Reworking Adam's Immortality/Regeneration
  

  • Immortality (Type 1, 2, 3 and 7): Adam Lived for billions of years without showing any kinds of aging. As a Winner, Adam should have similar regenerative immortality capabilities of healing practically any wound given time of Sinners, due to the simple fact he is already dead, just like them.
  • Regeneration (Combat Applicable: High-Low, likely High-Mid. Comparable to sinners like Valentino whom can be impaled through the chest and instantly heal. Practically instantly healed being stabbed deep by Charlie's Trident. Superior to one of Velvette's models who was torn to pieces by Valentino and recovered in unspecified hours. Over time: Low-Godly. Comparable to Sinners who are implied to be capable of surviving being fully eaten by cannibals, more than once. Sinners regenerate from their souls, and are considered impossible to kill without destroying it, thus rendering all physical damage worthless over time.
    • Note: If it somehow not clear these upgrades and changes would also be replicated in the Demon's page

  Resistance
  

  • Resistance to Vox's Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation (Should be resistant to Vox's hypnosis due to being considered invincible and unharmable to all of Hell including him) It also makes logical sense, otherwise there is NO way Vox wouldn't abuse it. He also possesses angelic magic that have a dominion over the power of demons
    • I wanna note even ABEL and LUTE was able to resist these effects, come on!!

• Spoiler: Lucifer

  Immortality/Regeneration/Resistance. We have 2 OPTIONS because he believed even with Angelic steel Vox wouldn't be able to kill him
  

  • Give Lucifer the Sinner Immortality junk AND straight up Resistance to Immortality (Types 1, 2, & 3 and 7), Regeneration (Low-Godly) Negation, Soul Erasure
  • Directly give Lucifer the ability to regenerate from the destruction of his body and the erasure of his soul.

• Spoiler: Resistances

  Character's I will list should directly resist Vox's hypnosis.
  

  • Emily, Abel, Sera and Lute (Other Exorcist such as Vaggie could scale), Charlie and Overlords (+Alastor and Valentino feats)

• Spoiler: Exorcist

  Immortality and Regeneration Addition
  

  • Immortality (Type 2) and Regeneration (Non Combat Applicable, Low-Mid). They are considered invincible and unharmable to anything physical with the sole exception of Angelic Magic and Steel, Lute was unbothered despite losing an entire arm. After years Vaggie was able to fully grow back her wings through sheer will altough they have never healed themselves like this during a short period of time like combat.

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Agree: 11 (@DarkLock92 (Option 1 for Lucifer), @ShionAH, @Alexander (Option 2 for Lucifer), @Anonymous_Learner (Option 2 for Lucifer), @Comiphorous (Disagree on Lucifer) @Mythic381 (Option 2) @TheOrangeGuy09, @OiEuSouDuvi (Option 2), @Dalesean027, @Planck69, @SomebodyData)
Disagree: 0

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[DarkLock92]

Seems fine to me, also I think the first option for Lucifer makes more sense

 

[ShionAH]

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Could you and the others who come around here please pick one of the two options under the Lucifer section? I really need help there and I trust the opinions of the other supporters

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Hmm, agree.
Very well constructed

 

[DarkLock92]

Could you and the others who come around here please pick one of the two options under the Lucifer section? I really need help there and I trust the opinions of the other supporters

I edited my comment

 

[Alexander]

Lucifer should get the second one to be honest.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Though, I think Lucifer should just resist the effects of Angellic weapons similarly to Adam instead of getting sinner regen

 

[ShionAH]

Though, I think Lucifer should just resist the effects of Angellic weapons similarly to Adam

To be fair Adam just healed through its negation otherwise he you know died to it. Lucifer can't even die to it according to the show

instead of getting sinner regen

He would get Sinner Regeneration in both options but the second option would basically give him almost Mid-Godly

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Then i'll bite the bullet and pick the second option

 

[DarkLock92]

Lucifer getting every upscale known to man by doing absolutely nothing

 

[Comiphorous]

Immortality (Type 1, 2, 3 and 7): Adam Lived for billions of years without showing any kinds of aging. As a Winner, Adam has regenerative immortality capabilities of healing practically any wound given time, due to the simple fact he is already dead, just like Sinners.

Type 1 is okay

2 is talking about demons, not winners at all, even if he's already dead like them. Disagree.

7 is fine since he's dead.

Regeneration (Combat Applicable: High-Low, likely High-Mid. Comparable to sinners like Valentino whom can be impaled through the chest and instantly heal. Practically instantly healed being stabbed deep by Charlie's Trident. Superior to one of Velvette's models who was torn to pieces by Valentino and recovered in unspecified hours. Over time: Low-Godly. Comparable to Sinners who are implied to be capable of surviving being fully eaten by cannibals, more than once. Sinners regenerate from their souls, and are considered impossible to kill without destroying it, thus rendering all physical damage worthless over time.

Why would winners and sinners regeneration scale between each other?

Resistance to Vox's Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation (Should be resistant to Vox's hypnosis due to being considered invincible and unharmable to all of Hell including him) It also makes logical sense, otherwise there is NO way Vox wouldn't abuse it. He also possesses angelic magic that have a dominion over the power of demons

I'm okay with this in concept ig.

Immortality/Regeneration/Resistance. We have 2 OPTIONS because he believed even with Angelic steel Vox wouldn't be able to kill him

• Give Lucifer the Sinner Immortality junk AND straight up Resistance to Immortality (Types 1, 2, & 3 and 7), Regeneration (Low-Godly) Negation, Soul Erasure
• Directly give Lucifer the ability to regenerate from the destruction of his body and the erasure of his soul.

If it can't kill him, then he wouldn't need the immortality to survive it. Because it wouldn't kill him.

Also we are shown that MoL does in fact harm him, and would have likely killed him, so... disagree.

Character's I will list should directly resist Vox's hypnosis.

• Emily, Abel, Sera and Lute (Other Exorcist such as Vaggie could scale), Charlie and Overlords (+Alastor and Valentino feats)

Stayed gone shows that the mind control eye is also something that just shows up when he's angry/just feeling strong emotions, not just for mind control. It's only actually mind control when you can hear the sound that accompanying the visual in his eye. That means Emily can get it based off that Charie and Emily scene since he's actively using it but you can't hear it during the Alastor scene, so no proof that's the mind control either. You can't hearing it during Vox DEI, so, no saying that's mind control either.

Edit: The sound DOES play during Alastor's scene. nevermind, that's fine. Emily, Charlie, Alastort, and Valentino is fine.

• Immortality (Type 2) and Regeneration (Non Combat Applicable, Low-Mid). They are considered invincible and unharmable to anything physical with the sole exception of Angelic Magic and Steel, Lute was unbothered despite losing an entire arm. After years Vaggie was able to fully grow back her wings through sheer will altough they have never healed themselves like this during a short period of time like combat.

Disagree on immortality 2, as you can survive without an arm and wings. immortality type 2 is for like surviving normally lethal wounds. regen is fine.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

If it can't kill him, then he wouldn't need the immortality to survive it. Because it wouldn't kill him.

Also we are shown that MoL does in fact harm him, and would have likely killed him, so... disagree..

You think he was like, lying or something lol

Also apparently this WoG exists, somewhere.

“Lucifer and Charlie cannot be killed by angelic weapons themselves, instead they can only be killed if they are smited by an angel more powerful than them in heaven's hierarchy”

 

[ShionAH]

Counted, I do wanna mention @Comiphorous the hypnosis sound is faintly there even in DEI around 1 minute mark.

 

[Comiphorous]

You think he was like, lying or something lol

Also apparently this WoG exists, somewhere.

He doesn't even know what the Might of Lilith is yet, how would he even know whether what Vox had could hurt him or not? The entire argument is based off taking what Lucifer is saying and assuming he has the viewer's knowledge.

Counted, I do wanna mention @Comiphorous the hypnosis sound is faintly there even in DEI around 1 minute mark.

Yeah okay i hear it now, i suppose that's fine then. nevermind!

 

[ShionAH]

He doesn't even know what the Might of Lilith is yet, how would he even know whether what Vox had could hurt him or not?

Vox already mentioned he has access to Angelic steel before the scene

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He doesn't even know what the Might of Lilith is yet, how would he even know whether what Vox had could hurt him or not?

He says the line right after Vox tells him he has Angelic Metal, and he just saw Adam get killed by one so

 

[Comiphorous]

Vox already mentioned he has access to Angelic steel before the scene

Which Vox then disproves his statement wrong by almost killing him with the Might of Lilith.

Lucifer's statement was just wrong, and we have on screen confirmation he was. We aren't giving him low godly because the thing that was killing him didn't kill him because he said it wouldn't kill him.

 

[ShionAH]

Which Vox then disproves his statement wrong by almost killing him with the Might of Lilith.

When did he almost kill Lucifer? Injure him sure but there wasn’t anything that implied he’d die at any point

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Getting tired is now confirmation you're not immortal or whatever? That's news to me.

Hell, MoL works by literally siphoning his Angelic power out of him, how does that translate to him dying if he gets stabbed by an AW?

 

[Comiphorous]

Vox already mentioned he has access to Angelic steel before the scene

Which means that the angelic weaponry he had wasn't strong enough to hurt him, which makes sense since the strongest we've seen is the knife that killed Adam, who Lucifer is far stronger than. That would be durability, not the assumption that Lucifer would regenerate from soul destruction. that's a big jump in logic.

Getting tired is now confirmation you're not immortal or whatever? That's news to me.

Getting tired is putting it nicely. Getting hurt by the MoL to an extent your exhausted very much means you are not immune to that stuff.

Hell, MoL works by literally siphoning his Angelic power out of him, how does that translate to him dying if he gets stabbed by an AW?

The MoL can actively pierce his flesh and make him bleed. Clearly it affects him.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The MoL can actively pierce his flesh and make him bleed. Clearly it affects him.

Nifty's kitchen knife pierced right through and made Val bleed, this proves he has no regen/immortality.

You see the problem?

 

[DarkLock92]

Getting tired is putting it nicely. Getting hurt by the MoL to an extent your exhausted very much means you are not immune to that stuff.

The reason Lucifer was getting exhausted was mainly because the power was being actively drained.

Also I recall there being a statement by Viv on how his injuries weren't that severe which was why the show didn't put much emphasis on his reunion with Charlie, or something like that.

 

[Comiphorous]

I suppose option one for the lucifer stuff is better. the second option makes no sense. Although giving him the immortalities makes no sense unless he already had them in the first place. just give him the resistances.

 

[Comiphorous]

The reason Lucifer was getting exhausted was mainly because the power was being actively drained.

Mr. living aspect of the infinite has a limited power supply and get's tired. The usual fraudwatch victim.

 

[DarkLock92]

Also I recall there being a statement by Viv on how his injuries weren't that severe which was why the show didn't put much emphasis on his reunion with Charlie, or something like that.

Found the statements

 

[Comiphorous]

Found the statements

I don't have a bluesky account god dammit.

 

[DarkLock92]

I don't have a bluesky account god dammit.

Hold up I'll make screenshots

 

[DarkLock92]

I don't have a bluesky account god dammit.

 

[Da3ggman]

I don't have a bluesky account god dammit.

Never get one.

 

[Mythic381]

Agree with everything. For Lucifer I'll go for option 2.

 

[ShionAH]

Although giving him the immortalities makes no sense unless he already had them in the first place. just give him the resistances.

Hey Comiphorous, can you tell me how will Lucifer resist Regeneration and Immortality Negation if he didn't even have Regeneration and Immortality?

 

[Comiphorous]

Hey Comiphorous, can you tell me how will Lucifer resist Regeneration and Immortality Negation if he didn't even have Regeneration and Immortality?

Great, so don't list those then! Easy to not be affected by regeneration and immortality negation when you don't have em! (Besides immo 1 ig)

 

[ShionAH]

Great, so don't list those then!

Let me put you through it.

Lucifer can't be killed by ANYTHING Vox has INCLUDING Angelic Weapons that can pierce his skin.

What does this tell you? This single thing makes him even MORE Immortal than Sinners or Goetia WHICH ARE HIS CREATIONS!!

 

[Comiphorous]

Lucifer can't be killed by ANYTHING Vox has INCLUDING Angelic Weapons that can pierce his skin.

What does this tell you? This single thing makes him even MORE Immortal than Sinners or Goetia WHICH ARE HIS CREATIONS!!

Just being stabbed by angelic weaponry doesn't put someone under. Stolas and Alastor show this. he doesn't need immortality to survive being stabbed by them, especially when the only thing we've seen that does harm Lucifer in Vox's arsenal was the Might of Lilith, which Lucifer had no idea about.

 

[ShionAH]

Just being stabbed by angelic weaponry doesn't put someone under. Stolas and Alastor show this. he doesn't need immortality to survive being stabbed by them.

He says there isn't ANYTHING Vox can do to kill him. Let's not downplay the statement now, that's far better than Sinners let alone his own creations Goetia's

 

[DarkLock92]

Just being stabbed by angelic weaponry doesn't put someone under.

Stolas and Alastor show this. he doesn't need immortality to survive being stabbed by them, especially when the only thing we've seen that does harm Lucifer in Vox's arsenal was the Might of Lilith, which Lucifer had no idea about.

Stolas was hospitalised for a decent bit

 

[Comiphorous]

He says there isn't ANYTHING Vox can do to kill him. Let's not downplay the statement now.

And the best thing in his arsenal that Lucifer knew about was regular angelic weaponry which their best showing was harming and killing people Lucifer is vastly superior to? The statement is still objectively correct without assuming he has immortalities he's never shown to have.

He's either too durable for Vox to hurt or he simply isn't affected by Angelic Steel's usual negation.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

We do scale Adam's durability to Lu's full power rn, so take that into account.

 

[ShionAH]

Are you assuming the little cables in Might of Lilith are far superior to rest of the Angelic Weapons for some reason? You got any proof for that??

Anyways I added your disagreement and wont continue this further

 

[Comiphorous]

Are you assuming the little cables in Might of Lilith are far superior to rest of the Angelic Weapons for some reason? You got any proof for that??

They hurt lucifer??? Mr. God tier of the verse??? Pretty damn obvious proof.