The 1-A Madness Combat Revision.

[CitRusReality64]

The discord statements are likely a no-go since they're easy to fake.

I'm in the server where most of them come from, and I have seen them in-person of Krinkles saying this stuff, the non-dimensional statement I haven't seen. But someone asked Krinkles if it was real and he said it was, in Cheshyre's server, but still it is hard to verify and again probably wouldn't be accepted, even if real

 

[Comiphorous]

I'm in the server where most of them come from, and I have seen them in-person of Krinkles saying this stuff, the non-dimensional statement I haven't seen. But someone asked Krinkles if it was real and he said it was, in Cheshyre's server, but still it is hard to verify and again probably wouldn't be accepted, even if real

basically, yeah. might be real but since it's discord it's too damn easy to fake and is probably just safe to not consider them.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

I just hate WoG statements, especially with this verse since Krinkels has at times contradicted himself or been unsure of his answers.

For me personally I have no problem using them as long as they don't like badly contradict the source material and can also offer some interesting unseen lore.

Also lastly how would dissolate reality(i think its called) be effected hax and range wise sense from what I remember its quite literally anti reality as in it goes against the machine being its complete opposite that can also harm it?

 

[Comiphorous]

Also lastly how would dissolate reality(i think its called) be effected hax and range wise sense from what I remember its quite literally anti reality as in it goes against the machine being its complete opposite that can also harm it?

It's not going to get any AP from harming the machine, as not only is that a super big anti-feat for the entire regular cast being able to withstand hits from it but Dissonant Reality functions against the very logic-based system The Machine works on, which is why it 'hurts' The Machine in a sense (plus comes from a reality at a comparable plane of existence of the machine)

entirely hax basically.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

It's not going to get any AP from harming the machine, as not only is that a super big anti-feat for the entire regular cast being able to withstand hits from it but Dissonant Reality functions against the very logic-based system The Machine works on, which is why it 'hurts' The Machine in a sense (plus comes from a reality at a comparable plane of existence of the machine)

entirely hax basically.

So basically it gains the range in the same tier as the machine but non of the ap(as i always thought) with it likely having gaining multiple haxs like conceptual,space-time,narrative,logic and other things of haxs(honestly at most in can see the regular cast just having resistance to possibly being limited with characters like tricky,the auditor and jerus mainly being the ones who have the most consistent showings of resistance to it)

 

[CitRusReality64]

For me personally I have no problem using them as long as they don't like badly contradict the source material and can also offer some interesting unseen lore.

Thing is that the source material needs to actually support the author claims in the first place. Godzilla in Hell and Comic Tutor are examples of of unreliable/invalid WOG statements. At least Madness does support some of the claims in the source Material.

Also lastly how would dissolate reality(i think its called) be effected hax and range wise sense from what I remember its quite literally anti reality as in it goes against the machine being its complete opposite that can also harm it?

That would just make it smurf hax. Nothing to do with AP

 

[Comiphorous]

So basically it gains the range in the same tier as the machine but non of the ap(as i always thought) with it likely having gaining multiple haxs like conceptual,space-time,narrative,logic and other things of haxs(honestly at most in can see the regular cast just having resistance to possibly being limited with characters like tricky,the auditor and jerus mainly being the ones who have the most consistent showings of resistance to it)

the only people who have a 'limited' resistance to it is Dr. Crackpot, since we already know he was affected by it but has equipment which lessens the effects of it. Everyone else has a full resistance to it as they can freely use/get hit by it without protection.

 

[CitRusReality64]

Bump

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

bump

 

[Comiphorous]

While working on an unrelated profile i've run into a funny problem.

The Employers (such as The Auditor) who both The Maker and The Machine transcend also have R>F evidence for them.

If The Maker transcends and sees a person who already sees the verse as fiction, what exactly happens to The Maker's tier?

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

While working on an unrelated profile i've run into a funny problem.

The Employers (such as The Auditor) who both The Maker and The Machine transcend have R>F evidence for them.

If The Maker transcends and sees a person who already sees the verse as fiction, what exactly happens to The Maker's tier?

One layer into 1-A I believe

 

[Comiphorous]

One layer into 1-A I believe

sigh... gonna have to edit the OP to upgrade The Auditor's final key to 1-A...

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

sigh... gonna have to edit the OP to upgrade The Auditor's final key to 1-A...

Also what's the evidence for r>f

 

[Comiphorous]

Also what's the evidence for r>f

Dr. Crackpot's book of buoyancy directly states that The Higher Powers (which are the employers in this context, as he's talking about in context of The Other Place) view Nevada as a dream.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Dr. Crackpot's book of buoyancy directly states that The Higher Powers (which are the employers in this context, as he's talking about in context of The Other Place) view Nevada as a dream.

Hand me the statement pls

 

[Comiphorous]

Hand me the statement pls

"...when the end of times, thusly foretold by His Buoyancy's great benefactor, the eminent Director Phobos, and those Higher Powers what saw it fit to pass, it will be at the failure of the Unbuoyant Masses to halt its coming.

"The fate of Nevada rests now in the hands of beings too lesser to know the responsibility they so willingly shoot, cut and bash their way to all of our ruin. We will be forgotten, everyone one of us, as a dream. And then we will be no more."

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

"...when the end of times, thusly foretold by His Buoyancy's great benefactor, the eminent Director Phobos, and those Higher Powers what saw it fit to pass, it will be at the failure of the Unbuoyant Masses to halt its coming.

"The fate of Nevada rests now in the hands of beings too lesser to know the responsibility they so willingly shoot, cut and bash their way to all of our ruin. We will be forgotten, everyone one of us, as a dream. And then we will be no more."

Interesting

 

[Comiphorous]

Although, there comes a new problem;

The Other Place is comparable size to The Employers as confirmed by Director Phobos. If phobos planned to merge with The Other Place to become as powerful as The Employers, is that an anti-feat against The Employer's R>F transendence even if Phobos never makes any threat to The Employers?

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Although, there comes a new problem;

The Other Place is comparable size to The Employers as confirmed by Director Phobos. If phobos planned to merge with The Other Place to become as powerful as The Employers, is that an anti-feat against The Employer's R>F transendence even if Phobos never makes any threat to The Employers?

Prolly yes but maybe not if you try to argue that he was amped and even if it was a anti feat. At least it supports the low 1-C statement about employers

 

[Comiphorous]

Prolly yes but maybe not if you try to argue that he was amped and even if it was a anti feat. At least it supports the low 1-C statement about employers

Honestly I think i just need to write a cosmology blog and see how people review it.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Honestly I think i just need to write a cosmology blog and see how people review it.

Yeah true

 

[Comiphorous]

Prolly yes but maybe not if you try to argue that he was amped and even if it was a anti feat. At least it supports the low 1-C statement about employers

You could argue NEXUS Core has been given help by The Employers with their technology in past, and likely could make technology at that level due to that help. But, anti-feats be damned.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

You could argue NEXUS Core has been given help by The Employers with their technology in past, and likely could make technology at that level due to that help. But, anti-feats be damned.

My thought was that Phobos at that point was pure s3LF which comes from TOP but I'm not sure if it would cut that since random specters die to random nevadeans

 

[Comiphorous]

My thought was that Phobos at that point was pure s3LF which comes from TOP but I'm not sure if it would cut that since random specters die to random nevadeans

Yeah, S-3LFs themselves are clearly not higher dimensional like Dissonant Reality or The Other Place itself.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Yeah, S-3LFs themselves are clearly not higher dimensional like Dissonant Reality or The Other Place itself.

Then maybe he was amped with dissonance? He does use dissonant attacks and dissonance allows beings like tricky to damage employers and be outside of the machine's range

 

[Comiphorous]

Then maybe he was amped with dissonance? He does use dissonant attacks and dissonance allows beings like tricky to damage employers and be outside of the machine's range

Had to refresh my memory, but there is no anti-feat for what Phobos was doing.

Project: Gestalt was created very specifically to be able to merge with The Other Place through the use of S-3LF energy making a gateway to The Other Place and having them use Enmeshment to bind Gestalt and The Other Place together.

There is no anti-feat since they aren't reaching the tier by appealing to another non-1-A, they're just using highly-advanced reality bending science from the Nexus Core, who have already been confirmed to have been helped by said higher dimensional being to achieve some of this technology.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Although, there comes a new problem;

The Other Place is comparable size to The Employers as confirmed by Director Phobos. If phobos planned to merge with The Other Place to become as powerful as The Employers, is that an anti-feat against The Employer's R>F transendence even if Phobos never makes any threat to The Employers?

Not really as krinals stated that even if he did manage to do that thrn phobos still couldn't become an auditor and would be weaker then them.

 

[Vesxpura]

While working on an unrelated profile i've run into a funny problem.

The Employers (such as The Auditor) who both The Maker and The Machine transcend also have R>F evidence for them.

If The Maker transcends and sees a person who already sees the verse as fiction, what exactly happens to The Maker's tier?

whats the required evidence that the employer qualifies for 1A, and dont say r>f since thats supporting evidence.

 

[Comiphorous]

Not really as krinals stated that even if he did manage to do that thrn phobos still couldn't become an auditor and would be weaker then them.

Can I get a link? I’ll add it to the cosmology blog.

 

[CitRusReality64]

Although, there comes a new problem;

The Other Place is comparable size to The Employers as confirmed by Director Phobos. If phobos planned to merge with The Other Place to become as powerful as The Employers, is that an anti-feat against The Employer's R>F transendence even if Phobos never makes any threat to The Employers?

maybe, but I think it can be argued no; due to Phobos being empowered by Dissonance. what's the argument for 1-A Employers?

 

[Vesxpura]

Although, there comes a new problem;

The Other Place is comparable size to The Employers as confirmed by Director Phobos. If phobos planned to merge with The Other Place to become as powerful as The Employers, is that an anti-feat against The Employer's R>F transendence even if Phobos never makes any threat to The Employers?

Yes

 

[CitRusReality64]

Can I get a link? I’ll add it to the cosmology blog.

I think it's here

 

[Comiphorous]

Yes

We since answered the question since I asked that, which resulted in a no.

Nexus core was assisted by The Employees (who scale to that level) to make technology and access the dimension in the first place, so it’s not an anti-feat for them to use what they were given to do that.

Edit: plus wog

 

[Comiphorous]

I think it's here

Yeah, that kills the anti-feat.

 

[Vesxpura]

We since answered the question since I asked that, which resulted in a no.

Nexus core was assisted by The Employees (who scale to that level) to make technology and access the dimension in the first place, so it’s not an anti-feat for them to use what they were given to do that.

Edit: plus wog

You didnt address the actual problem tho. what qualifies the employer as 1A outside of r>f since thats supporting evidence.

 

[Comiphorous]

You didnt address the actual problem tho. what qualifies the employer as 1A outside of r>f since thats supporting evidence.

R>F is the qualification. Thats how R>F transcendence works lmao? The page says they can achieve tier 1-A through R>F. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[Alexander]

I agree, but call me dumb...shouldn't the Maker have Omniscience directly?since he is said to know everything

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

I think it's here

i knew i was onto something

 

[Vesxpura]

R>F is the qualification. Thats how R>F transcendence works lmao? The page says they can achieve tier 1-A through R>F. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Maybe read the actual page?

All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority. Note that the medium is usually a representation or container for the fiction on a higher plane and not necessarily the fiction in itself.

However, bear in mind that simple visual portrayals of a character viewing the world within some such construct are not enough to qualify. And so, for example, a cosmic entity being depicted as seeing the universe as a computer game "because this is the only way human minds can comprehend it" would not suffice, and likewise, neither would cases where a Reality/Fiction metaphor is simply used as an analogy for higher dimensions. Broadly speaking, it ought to be reasonably clear that the higher world views the lower one as something insubstantial relative to itself, or in other words, that the Reality/Fiction relationship be meant as relatively literal

Notice how it doesn't say prove

 

[CitRusReality64]

Maybe read the actual page?


Notice how it doesn't say prove

You make up a good point but as I had brought up in another comment, Employers and Machine define core concepts and abstract things of reality and exist as independent concepts separate from Nevada
The machine even stated to be metaphysical while defining concepts like time and space, it should be enough support