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A review of Yogiri’s Instant Death ability.

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I asked a few of them to come, but typically this takes time, just think to bump the thread every 24H if there was no activity in it and pray, lol

Well, I'm not sure if you need 2 or three staff members typically, since I think it was revised that for the verse, you needed 3 (?), but regardless of it, yeah, for the cosmology it would be 2-A, for the scaling of characters (besides range) this is another story. However, as I mentioned in the other thread, I'll try to make the thread whenever I'm a bit freer, since, after thinking about it, there is a lot to consider (whether it's for characters or the cosmology itself).
It isn't enough btw, the staff. I mean.
Tier 2 threads need at least 1 admin level staff
Both Reiner and Oblivion are thread mods, so we'll need another one that's an administrator to agree to that CRT
Yes, I know that. Now I just want to upgrade Yogiri to 2-A in his profile. I have upgraded his cosmology level, and now Yogiri is 2-A.
The above, Goat ↑
 
The quality of the thread looks good to me, and I understood the OP's intent as soon as I read it. While I recognize that not everyone may have understood it initially, that doesn't justify the continuous mocking and joking. He is being serious and presenting his arguments as respectfully as possible, yet people respond by spouting nonsense. That is not the way to go with the discussion. Seeing this makes me think the restriction we placed on him was indeed entirely unfair.

Looking at the thread and arguement, i get your point that Yujiri can destroy things if he wants to but the point is that he is not doing it directly with his attack potency but through Hax. He won't scale to it via AP but via Hax yes. Hax doesn't require to damage the object by affecting its durability instead it completely ignores the durability to affect it.

And yeah Man, stop always mocking others for no reason, its enough now. If the person you're laughing at isn't laughing with you, it isn’t a joke.
 
The quality of the thread looks good to me, and I understood the OP's intent as soon as I read it. While I recognize that not everyone may have understood it initially, that doesn't justify the continuous mocking and joking. He is being serious and presenting his arguments as respectfully as possible, yet people respond by spouting nonsense. That is not the way to go with the discussion. Seeing this makes me think the restriction we placed on him was indeed entirely unfair.

Looking at the thread and arguement, i get your point that Yujiri can destroy things if he wants to but the point is that he is not doing it directly with his attack potency but through Hax. He won't scale to it via AP but via Hax yes. Hax doesn't require to damage the object by affecting its durability instead it completely ignores the durability to affect it.

And yeah Man, stop always mocking others for no reason, its enough now. If the person you're laughing at isn't laughing with you, it isn’t a joke.
I'm a bit confused by your answer, so sorry if I just restate something you're already aware of. Right now, he already has on his profile this line:
So the point of the OP was, to my understanding, scaling Yogiri's hax because he is able to destroy stuff (compared to just not destroying them/"killing them"), which is already taken care of by the "Environmental Destruction" tier on his profile.

So, unless I'm wrong, it was just a misunderstanding of the OP regarding what scales and why, and nothing should be changed (?). I could always try to make it a bit more expliciit on his profile but I absolutely don't see how tbf.

Regarding the joking stuff, yeah, as you can see, it's really unfunny at that point. He's not entirely faultless but clearly not to the extent that whatever he's getting is legitimate. (it wouldn't no matter what).
 
I'm a bit confused by your answer, so sorry if I just restate something you're already aware of. Right now, he already has on his profile this line:
So the point of the OP was, to my understanding, scaling Yogiri's hax because he is able to destroy stuff (compared to just not destroying them/"killing them"), which is already taken care of by the "Environmental Destruction" tier on his profile.

So, unless I'm wrong, it was just a misunderstanding of the OP regarding what scales and why, and nothing should be changed (?). I could always try to make it a bit more expliciit on his profile but I absolutely don't see how tbf.
The way the OP continuously emphasizing that Yogiri can destroy things makes it seem like he is arguing for an AP upgrade. He likely wants it treated as pure Attack Potency rather than Hax or environmental destruction, as he probably isn't aware of how we categorize feats where Hax is used to bypass durability.
 
The way the OP continuously emphasizing that Yogiri can destroy things makes it seem like he is arguing for an AP upgrade. He likely wants it treated as pure Attack Potency rather than Hax or environmental destruction, as he probably isn't aware of how we categorize feats where Hax is used to bypass durability.
Yeah, I thought the same. I think he isn't wrong that sometimes it does "scale" to something (Environmental Destruction) but besides this, well, nothing new I'd say.
 
He won't scale to it via AP but via Hax, so its range iirc
He already scales in range with his hax, again, the thread you're thinking of that is "upgrading him" was the other one. Here he wanted to change Yogiri's AP due to his hax, which obviously can't work.
 
Yeah, I thought the same. I think he isn't wrong that sometimes it does "scale" to something (Environmental Destruction) but besides this, well, nothing new I'd say.
I mean, if he can destroy a structure with X ability then he could get AP rating via that X ability. I remember his profile mention he can destroy an infinite-sized dimension or something?
 
I mean, if he can destroy a structure with X ability then he could get AP rating via that X ability. I remember his profile mention he can destroy an infinite-sized dimension or something?
He gets it via a consequence of destroying space and it's already on its profile as Environmental Destruction. (Just the place wasn't infinite)
 
The way the OP continuously emphasizing that Yogiri can destroy things makes it seem like he is arguing for an AP upgrade. He likely wants it treated as pure Attack Potency rather than Hax or environmental destruction, as he probably isn't aware of how we categorize feats where Hax is used to bypass durability.
He gets it via a consequence of destroying space and it's already on its profile as Environmental Destruction. (Just the place wasn't infinite)
I mean, if he can destroy a structure with X ability then he could get AP rating via that X ability. I remember his profile mention he can destroy an infinite-sized dimension or something?
I don’t understand why nobody understands me?

I said that Yogiri can kill anything, no matter what it is; in his true form, he is the end of everything, and he is the one who makes existence and phenomena themselves exist. He is the one who makes the Ultimate Ensemble and everything within it, and everything that can possibly exist, exist, and if something does not exist, he will not allow any existence or phenomenon to exist at all. He is the one who makes all universes, timelines, worlds, different realms, dimensions, the sea, and so on, as well as characters, existence, reality, and everything, exist. His existence is more important even than the Ultimate Ensemble and everything within it; he is by his very nature higher and stronger than the Ultimate Ensemble, because the Ultimate Ensemble and everything within it are part of his end, and he is the one who makes them exist in the first place. His existence is more important and higher than the entire ensemble. So how can you boast about a collection of universes, timelines, dimensions, and everything within the Ultimate Ensemble, when he himself is stronger and higher than the Ultimate Ensemble itself and is the one who makes it exist to begin with? And this is aside from all his abilities; by his mere being alone, by his power itself, his existence and power surpass everything, he is the one who allows anything to exist, and he is also the end of everything, and his power likewise can bring an end to anything, no matter what that thing is ↓


Sweet Dao still does not understand what I am trying to say, and even now he keeps using magical power as evidence, even though I already refuted this by pointing out that Yogiri destroyed the ice twice. I explained that he killed the ice itself, not the magical power that formed it, and I already clarified and negated that claim. He did not kill the magical power that formed the ice, because the ice was merely destroyed and shattered into pieces scattered on the ground, and it did not vanish at all. However, after Yogiri destroyed the staff that was producing the ice, all the ice that Yogiri had destroyed on the ground immediately vanished, which proves that he did not kill the magical power itself, but only destroyed the ice. Once he killed and destroyed the staff, all the destroyed ice on the ground vanished. If he had killed the magical power that formed the ice itself, it would have vanished from existence entirely, and likewise, if he had killed the magical power that formed the staff, it would have vanished from existence as well. Therefore, your claim is not correct, and I already mentioned this point in my earlier reply. Moreover, Yogiri himself stated that he killed the ice, not the magical power. Killing the magical power that formed the ice would have caused it to be erased from existence entirely, just as what happened after the staff that produced the ice was destroyed. In short, Yogiri destroyed the ice, not the magical power. Additionally, Yogiri can end anything—whether it is ice, magical power, a concept itself, or anything else. There is nothing he cannot kill. If he wanted to kill the universe, reality, or anything similar, it would be destroyed, because his very existence is higher than the Ultimate Ensemble and he is the one who makes it exist, which means that by his very nature he is stronger and higher than the entire Ultimate Ensemble.

I know everything about equal durability and those kinds of things. No, no—none of that applies here. Yogiri is the end of everything. Things like durability, worlds, concepts, and anything that can exist are all part of his end; even description and words themselves are part of his end—everything. He is the end of everything, he is the ending, and he is the only one who will remain in the end because he is the end itself. He is the one who makes any existence or phenomenon exist, and without him he would not allow any existence or phenomenon at all. His true form transcends everything, and no one can ever hope to surpass it. Can anyone even surpass the end itself? The absolute end is the final point that can be reached, and there is nothing beyond it↓

 
Calm down. Just like you have your own opinion, everyone here does. We understand you, we just don't agree with it for reasons.

Coming to the scan, the scan u posted seems to be talking about how yogiri will end everything at the end and nothing will escape him, him will be all that there is and nothing else will exist beyond him, at the end. Thats all. This all will still be done via hax and not proper AP.
 
Coming to the scan, the scan u posted seems to be talking about how yogiri will end everything at the end and nothing will escape him, him will be all that there is and nothing else will exist beyond him, at the end. Thats all. This all will still be done via hax and not proper AP.
Which is already on the profile, his true form is rated as 4A? I think
 
Calm down. Just like you have your own opinion, everyone here does. We understand you, we just don't agree with it for reasons.

Coming to the scan, the scan u posted seems to be talking about how yogiri will end everything at the end and nothing will escape him, him will be all that there is and nothing else will exist beyond him, at the end. Thats all. This all will still be done via hax and not proper AP.
You are mistaken; it seems you are unaware of some things about this work. What happened here is that one of the characters used her ability to find out what Yogiri is, what his true nature is, and what his true form is. When she used her ability, what was revealed was this: his true form itself is the end of everything. The dead end is the end itself. Here, they are talking about his true form. His true form is the end of everything—the end of everything that has taken on a human form. What you said has nothing to do with this. This is probably because you did not understand the context here, which I already explained to you. They are talking about his true form, which is the end of everything.


Likewise, look at the other image as well—it is also about his true form. Here, they are talking about his true form, so do not misunderstand it.
 
You are mistaken; it seems you are unaware of some things about this work. What happened here is that one of the characters used her ability to find out what Yogiri is, what his true nature is, and what his true form is. When she used her ability, what was revealed was this: his true form itself is the end of everything. The dead end is the end itself. Here, they are talking about his true form. His true form is the end of everything—the end of everything that has taken on a human form. What you said has nothing to do with this. This is probably because you did not understand the context here, which I already explained to you. They are talking about his true form, which is the end of everything.


Likewise, look at the other image as well—it is also about his true form. Here, they are talking about his true form, so do not misunderstand it.
brother, read me, this IS ALREADY ON THE PROFILE. That's why staff is asking what do you want to add
 
You are mistaken; it seems you are unaware of some things about this work. What happened here is that one of the characters used her ability to find out what Yogiri is, what his true nature is, and what his true form is. When she used her ability, what was revealed was this: his true form itself is the end of everything. The dead end is the end itself. Here, they are talking about his true form. His true form is the end of everything—the end of everything that has taken on a human form. What you said has nothing to do with this. This is probably because you did not understand the context here, which I already explained to you. They are talking about his true form, which is the end of everything.


Likewise, look at the other image as well—it is also about his true form. Here, they are talking about his true form, so do not misunderstand it.
Well if it follows something about in-verse rule or soneshit then i am not the best person to ask. I never read instant death beyond some dragon ******* a buss and killing all its passanger while enjoying himself (literally).

i will tag @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless and dip out of this mess.
 
His true form doesn't really have an "AP" right now, but he has the same hax and same capability that Yogiri showcased, for obvious reasons.
Do you deny that his true form itself transcends everything? Do you deny that his true form is inherently higher and more fundamental than the entire Ultimate Ensemble and everything that exists within it? If he did not exist, no existence or phenomenon would be allowed to exist at all. Everything will return to him after its end. His true form cannot be surpassed because it is the end of everything, and there is nothing beyond it.

So how can you claim that something like the Ultimate Ensemble is higher than his true form? By what logic are you thinking? The Ultimate Ensemble is a part of his end. The Ultimate Ensemble, and every existence within it, exists because of him. He is the one who makes all of this exist, and he is higher and more fundamental than it. So how can you place something like a collection of worlds and dimensions above his true form, which transcends all of that and stands above it entirely?
 
Do you deny that his true form itself transcends everything? Do you deny that his true form is inherently higher and more fundamental than the entire Ultimate Ensemble and everything that exists within it? If he did not exist, no existence or phenomenon would be allowed to exist at all. Everything will return to him after its end. His true form cannot be surpassed because it is the end of everything, and there is nothing beyond it.

So how can you claim that something like the Ultimate Ensemble is higher than his true form? By what logic are you thinking? The Ultimate Ensemble is a part of his end. The Ultimate Ensemble, and every existence within it, exists because of him. He is the one who makes all of this exist, and he is higher and more fundamental than it. So how can you place something like a collection of worlds and dimensions above his true form, which transcends all of that and stands above it entirely?
which scales to solar system rn, but I guess its going to be 2-B now
 
Do you deny that his true form itself transcends everything? Do you deny that his true form is inherently higher and more fundamental than the entire Ultimate Ensemble and everything that exists within it? If he did not exist, no existence or phenomenon would be allowed to exist at all. Everything will return to him after its end. His true form cannot be surpassed because it is the end of everything, and there is nothing beyond it.

So how can you claim that something like the Ultimate Ensemble is higher than his true form? By what logic are you thinking? The Ultimate Ensemble is a part of his end. The Ultimate Ensemble, and every existence within it, exists because of him. He is the one who makes all of this exist, and he is higher and more fundamental than it. So how can you place something like a collection of worlds and dimensions above his true form, which transcends all of that and stands above it entirely?
I would suggest this CRT to pass in general and the straightforward changes it brings to be applied on the pages then you can bring it up in separate CRT about how it can affect the pages in more broder way than it has been applied for now after a month (or its 28 days now?)
 
I would suggest this CRT to pass in general and the straightforward changes it brings to be applied on the pages then you can bring it up in separate CRT about how it can affect the pages in more broder way than it has been applied for now after a month (or its 28 days now?)
I think you're getting confused with the infinity thread no?
 
Do you deny that his true form itself transcends everything? Do you deny that his true form is inherently higher and more fundamental than the entire Ultimate Ensemble and everything that exists within it? If he did not exist, no existence or phenomenon would be allowed to exist at all. Everything will return to him after its end. His true form cannot be surpassed because it is the end of everything, and there is nothing beyond it.

So how can you claim that something like the Ultimate Ensemble is higher than his true form? By what logic are you thinking? The Ultimate Ensemble is a part of his end. The Ultimate Ensemble, and every existence within it, exists because of him. He is the one who makes all of this exist, and he is higher and more fundamental than it. So how can you place something like a collection of worlds and dimensions above his true form, which transcends all of that and stands above it entirely?
I mean, it's literally a rule of the cosmology, so yeah, it's equal to the Ultimate Ensemble World and works as a "limiter" for whatever is inside. That's about it, really.
 
which scales to solar system rn, but I guess its going to be 2-B now
The Ultimate Ensemble is currently 2-A, and his true form transcends the Ultimate Ensemble. The entire Ultimate Ensemble is a part of his end, and no one can ever hope to surpass him. He is the dead end itself. The Ultimate Ensemble, and any existence or phenomenon within it, depends for its existence solely on his true form. Without him, no existence or phenomenon would be allowed to exist at all. His true form is fundamentally and vastly higher than the Ultimate Ensemble.
His true form cannot be perceived, described, defined, specified, or defeated, not even by the Absolute God. The Absolute God is the second strongest being in the series after Yogiri; he is capable of destroying the Ultimate Ensemble and is nearly omniscient, yet he still cannot perceive, describe, or affect Yogiri’s true form.
 
I mean, it's literally a rule of the cosmology, so yeah, it's equal to the Ultimate Ensemble World and works as a "limiter" for whatever is inside. That's about it, really.
Ever since you heard the word law, you’ve been exploiting it. First, before the Absolute God said this, he stated that he wasn’t sure if he truly knew what it was, and then he immediately said that it cannot be described and can never be defined. All I can say is that it is just as you are you, I am I, and it is it—simply that. After that, he gave his opinion, and also don’t forget it was only an attempt, not definitive, because he doesn’t truly know what it is as he mentioned. Then he said it is one of the laws that governs the Absolute Ensemble, and then he said it is the end, the end of the Absolute Ensemble. The law, in his words, is that its existence is necessary for existence itself, because without it, no phenomenon or existence would be allowed to exist, and this is what he meant by law. Like a law, and by the way, the word law does not diminish anything; you must understand the context and not just speak according to what you want. Afterwards, he said it is the end, after saying it is the law that governs the Ultimate Ensemble, and then he said it is the end. The law he means here is something necessary for the existence of everything in the Ultimate Ensemble and beyond. It is what makes any existence or phenomenon possible, and therefore it is a law that makes anything exist and possible no matter what, and it is the end of all things, its end. The Absolute God completed his explanation and said it is its end, the end, and even so, this remains only an attempt; he is not certain, he only tried to describe what it is. Throughout his words, he repeats that it cannot be described, cannot be defined, or specified, always repeating that it cannot be described or defined. Just as I am I, and you are you, so it is it—simply that. In the rest of his words, he refers to its true form as That, always pointing to it as That. When someone asked him, Who is That? the Absolute God answered: That is That; it cannot be described, just as I am I, and you are you, so it is it.

You are ignoring the matters and interpreting them only as you want and in the way that suits you.
 
The Ultimate Ensemble is currently 2-A, and his true form transcends the Ultimate Ensemble. The entire Ultimate Ensemble is a part of his end, and no one can ever hope to surpass him. He is the dead end itself. The Ultimate Ensemble, and any existence or phenomenon within it, depends for its existence solely on his true form. Without him, no existence or phenomenon would be allowed to exist at all. His true form is fundamentally and vastly higher than the Ultimate Ensemble.
His true form cannot be perceived, described, defined, specified, or defeated, not even by the Absolute God. The Absolute God is the second strongest being in the series after Yogiri; he is capable of destroying the Ultimate Ensemble and is nearly omniscient, yet he still cannot perceive, describe, or affect Yogiri’s true form.
agree more with that sweetdao said
 
Okay, I apologize for this. This is just my way of speaking; I’m used to it outside of this forum, so I apologize.
Only on Discord, Tiktok and maybe reddit works where being aggressive is easy to shut some people up and often times you have to deal with more stupid people who makes absurd claims. I don't blame you for thinking like that.

But I don't think it really works on Vsbw or Forums like this where being calm and constructive is seen more positively. Its also best to be patient as threads can last for weeks or even months so it benefits those who are busy or need time for scans

Its slow paced
 
Only on Discord, Tiktok and maybe reddit works where being aggressive is easy to shut some people up and often times you have to deal with more stupid people who makes absurd claims. I don't blame you for thinking like that.

But I don't think it really works on Vsbw or Forums like this where being calm and constructive is seen more positively. Its also best to be patient as threads can last for weeks or even months so it benefits those who are busy or need time for scans

Its slow paced
The problem isn’t there. The problem is that there are people on TikTok and Reddit who are better than you and understand things more than you do. It’s not that everything on VSBW is correct; it’s just that inside this forum, people ignore you and don’t understand you. Statements and evidence are dismissed by saying they’re “not sufficient” even though they’re clear. So this isn’t an issue of misunderstanding or lack of experience, but of mindset and way of thinking.

In short, here you need the author himself to come and say, “This character is at this level and I am this and that.” People here only complicate things in a clever way to downplay character ratings from their true level, while there are others who don’t ignore these things. It’s not as if there’s a lack of expertise outside the forum or anything like that.
Right now, I am discussing normally. I understand what Astral or Sweet Dao or the moderator or the staff member or anyone else is saying. I understand it clearly, and I don’t know whether everyone realizes that I understand, or if they assume I don’t. The truth is that they don’t understand what I’m saying or rather, to be more precise, we simply disagree. This is a direct difference of opinion. I understand his words and he understands mine, but he is biased toward his own view, and when he sees some people agreeing with him, he thinks he’s right. Meanwhile, outside this forum, tens of thousands—millions are laughing at you, while you live under the illusion of six people or fewer agreeing with you during the discussion because they think the same way. It’s not that I’m not an expert, nor that others outside this forum lack expertise just as I said above.
 
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