The Long Awaited Hazbin Hotel Season 2 CRT

[Arkenis]

You haven't at all explained WHY it's not reliable. Using the WoG here would LITERALLY help explain plot holes.
Hazbin Hotel is a verse that runs on its WoG, it started off as a ******* Indie Show.

Should be this, should be that. The show contradicts you, several times.
Also said ring is huge, it's wayyy bigger than the city at its middle.

 

[Da3ggman]

I vote we ban all WoG on the wiki unless the author has the balls to make an account and say it on here.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I vote we ban all WoG on the wiki unless the author has the balls to make an account and say it on here.

(which would result in it being banned anyways.. genius idea)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Anyways I'm just gonna ping a few staff so this thread can actually go somewhere.
@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Vietthai96 @LephyrTheRevanchist

Haven't seen S2 yet. Am planning to with a friend.

Until then, not planning to comment here. Sorry. Though took the liberty of changing the thread type to discussion instead of article

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Vote for general scaling: 5-B they all put in 1/14th effort man

Lucifer scaling Vote 5-B+, its his energy, no ****

Downscales Lucifer Ig

agreed by meh

 

[BoastJr]

I agree with MGQ my Besteeeeest Friendo ever

 

[SlendVeny]

Someone should ask the creators what percent of the overall energy was contributed by each character

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ask Vivzie if Alastor sees everyone and everything as game and fiction

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Bro how could I forget about this verse.

 

[ShionAH]

Ask Vivzie if Alastor sees everyone and everything as game and fiction

Adam upscale

 

[Mythic381]

Adam upscale

No? The Alastor who lost to Adam is clearly a manifestation of the deer goat H1-A+ Alastor

 

[BoastJr]

Alastor felt generous enough to donate upscaling to Adam

What a nice man

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

to specify what i agree to, i agree to straight 5-B, Luci scales to the M.O.L. beam, and Adam downscales

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

What a nice man

We need more people like Alastor

 

[ShionAH]

We need more people like Alastor

No. We need to be like Alastor.

 

[SlendVeny]

We need more people like Alastor

I think we already have a lot of people who died from getting shot

 

[Mythic381]

I think we already have a lot of people who died from getting shot

You know who isn't one of them?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

You know who isn't one of them?

Ye he died by having a TV fall on his head and now has TV instead of a head… Rosie would’ve literally died from laughter if Vox was the one who made a deal with her.

 

[ShionAH]

Rosie would’ve literally died if Vox was the one who made a deal with her.

Vox upscale??

 

[SlendVeny]

You know who isn't one of them?

If bro was real his death would've been on a 2000s Spike TV slop show

 

[Eseseso]

Alastor vs Zeref would be a fire match, ngl

 

[Comiphorous]

Honestly, a singing amp (as stupid as that seems) makes the most sense considering what we were shown and ig wog... 8 pages scary as hell though.

 

[SlendVeny]

Honestly, a singing amp (as stupid as that seems) makes the most sense considering what we were shown and ig wog... 8 pages scary as hell though.

This shit's gonna look like marvel profiles

 

[Mythic381]

This shit's gonna look like marvel profiles

makes me wonder how any Marvel or DC characters are 1-A or above despite potentially breaking every qualitative superiority rule made

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Besides the Tier 5 Overlords stuff,

Cherri Bomb: Her bomb did no damage to Valentino, and the only damage she did was to a Valentino Husk beat up and was restrained to be unable to do anything. But most damning is the fact Angel Dust is stronger than her, shown not even half a minute later.

This is the sequence in question.


First of all, Husk did not beat up Valentino. Throughout the whole fight, Husk lands exactly one hit, a thrown bottle that doesn’t even knock Valentino’s glasses off. All he really accomplished besides that was knocking Valentino’s guns out of his hands. Not that being roughed up or restrained should at all affect his durability anyway? You think if say a 9-B with good TK just immobilized a "5-B" and then went to town on them they'd bleed or really feel any of it? Obviously not.

As for the claim that the bomb “did no damage” to Valentino, based on what, exactly? The lack of bruise? He very clearly groans in pain and Cherri attempts to finish him off by shoving a bomb into his face, like clearly the scene isn't trying to convey that Valentino can just no-sell her bomb if not 20 seconds later they're treated as a legitimate threat to him. Worst the bombs aren't even portrayed to be much powerful than Cherri herself, if at all. They've never grievously harmed anyone in the cast and she legit pulled one out while her and Pentious were stuck together, so obviously they're not this huge thing that eclipses her AP or whatever

"Why did Husk mention that Val has shit eyes before the bomb throw then?"
Cause it's thanks to that bad eyesight that he failed to notice the bomb strapped to the knife he just caught? It has nothing to do with that bomb then exploding on his face.

And the "Angel Dust is stronger than her", no?
Cherri gets downed by an attack from a hypnotized Angel she clearly didn't expect and he then proceeds to strangle her while restraining her with his extra arms, which she breaks free from within seconds. The only reason she fails to immediately retaliate is because Angel’s body proportions give him longer reach.
Plus, since when has strangling someone ever been proof you’re physically stronger? By that logic, Mark is stronger than Conquest lol (Invincible Spoiler)

As for Angel Dust himself,

Angel Dust: Gets overpowered and maimed regularly and effortlessly by Valentino, who is one of the lower scalers here. Only scaling point is to Husk who has actually genuine feats against Val and tanks an attack from Velvette.

Just because Angel Dust never attempts to fight back, it doesn't mean he's entirely incapable of harming him? Like put me in a ring with any boxer and and I’m getting demolished, that doesn't mean there's a billion gap between us. Especially since in this case Angel regularly withstands Val's abuse, and we're talking about the guy who ripped another Sinner limb from limb cause he was pissy. You expect me to believe he was restraining himself just enough to only lightly scratch Angel or whatever?

Also remember, Angel would only sorta scale to Cherri and even she only managed to bruise Valentino after relentlessly wailing on him while he couldn’t fight back.
None of this implies Angel is anywhere near equal to Valentino or Vox.

"But they're both regular Sinners, and Overlords can gore those."
I mean, clearly Angel is a fair bit stronger than your average Sinner, just via the fact he can push back an Exorcist's attack.
And Cherri regularly partakes in turf wars solo, relying only on herself and her bombs, and by feats alone is blatantly stronger than your average Sinner.

"But Pentious went 2v1 with Cherri and Angel on equal footing"
He didn't. He had his whole army of Eggs by his side (He straight says he can't fight without them) and fought at range against Cherri with his raygun.
And the one time he went physical, Angel didn’t show even the slightest hint of pain from it.

At best, you could argue Pentious’ durability scales to them. But like, guy took hits from both Alastor and Zestial, and Husk also complimented his endurance sooo

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

At best, you could argue Pentious’ durability scales to them. But like, guy took hits from both Alastor and Zestial, and Husk also complimented his endurance sooo

honestly i agree with this

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

guy took hits from both Alastor

Bruh I thought everyone agreed it was outlier.

Pentious scaling to Alastor makes absolutely zero sense and I can write an essay on that.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Bruh I thought everyone agreed it was outlier.

Pentious scaling to Alastor makes absolutely zero sense and I can write an essay on that.

I meant it more as in that Pentious surviving hits from Cherri isn't a disqualifier for her when he has done so to Overlords too

 

[DaReaperMan]

Holy shit you watched Happy City, not Hazbin Hotel...

This is the sequence in question.


First of all, Husk did not beat up Valentino. Throughout the whole fight, Husk lands exactly one hit, a thrown bottle that doesn’t even knock Valentino’s glasses off. All he really accomplished besides that was knocking Valentino’s guns out of his hands. Not that being roughed up or restrained should at all affect his durability anyway? You think if say a 9-B with good TK just immobilized a "5-B" and then went to town on them they'd bleed or really feel any of it? Obviously not.

Eden, they literally have Valentino and Husk's clash available on the vees site thing on the official website for the show.

You know lying also includes omittion, right?

Also, it literally takes a thrown in hit that by the way leaves no marks and multiple punches just to hurt him properly. This isn't "she totally scales" material.

As for the claim that the bomb “did no damage” to Valentino, based on what, exactly? The lack of bruise?

The lack of anything done to him whatsoever... and what does he do? Oh yeah, CLOSE HIS EYES AND PINCH HIS NOSE. Almost like it blinded him/hurt his eyes, but saying this makes your argument more holey than swiss cheese, so you do everything to avoid it.

Or is Valentino so deep in thought that he has to close his eyes and meditate? I want you, after you wake up or have been in a dark room for awhile, to walk into your bathroom and flip that light switch. What hurts? Your eyes.

He very clearly groans in pain and Cherri attempts to finish him off by shoving a bomb into his face,

And we see what happens when the explosives that actually do things to people get thrown at him. He gets tied up and has a hole burnt into his wings he doesn't notice until later. He doesn't die.

like clearly the scene isn't trying to convey that Valentino can just no-sell her bomb if not 20 seconds later they're treated as a legitimate threat to him. Worst the bombs aren't even portrayed to be much powerful than Cherri herself, if at all. They've never grievously harmed anyone in the cast and she legit pulled one out while her and Pentious were stuck together, so obviously they're not this huge thing that eclipses her AP or whatever

Hmmmm, almost like that's the point! They're comparable to her AP, which he had just no-sold.

"Why did Husk mention that Val has shit eyes before the bomb throw then?"
Cause it's thanks to that bad eyesight that he failed to notice the bomb strapped to the knife he just caught? It has nothing to do with that bomb then exploding on his face.

NO SHIT! Damn, almost like that was the point of throwing a bomb as well, cause it's 50x easier to **** up someone who can't even see!

And the "Angel Dust is stronger than her", no?
Cherri gets downed by an attack from a hypnotized Angel she clearly didn't expect and he then proceeds to strangle her while restraining her with his extra arms, which she breaks free from within seconds. The only reason she fails to immediately retaliate is because Angel’s body proportions give him longer reach.

Holy shit its almost like you don't know how easy it is to break someone's hold on your wrists: Shove your arms into the direction of their fingers. Unless their grip strength is literally godlike they can't hold on.

Just because Angel Dust never attempts to fight back, it doesn't mean he's entirely incapable of harming him? Like put me in a ring with any boxer and and I’m getting demolished, that doesn't mean there's a billion gap between us. Especially since in this case Angel regularly withstands Val's abuse, and we're talking about the guy who ripped another Sinner limb from limb cause he was pissy. You expect me to believe he was restraining himself just enough to only lightly scratch Angel or whatever?

Hey Eden, who's Val's big moneymaker and favorite 'toy'?

I know you can answer that. Do you see why this is not the argument to try to stand on?

Also remember, Angel would only sorta scale to Cherri and even she only managed to bruise Valentino after relentlessly wailing on him while he couldn’t fight back.

Uhuh.

None of this implies Angel is anywhere near equal to Valentino or Vox.

Could have fooled me, Eden. But since you love to try to use Word of God...


...Need I say more? Want Cherri and Angel to scale? Show me them using magic. Can't have your WoG cake and eat it, too.

"But they're both regular Sinners, and Overlords can gore those."
I mean, clearly Angel is a fair bit stronger than your average Sinner, just via the fact he can push back an Exorcist's attack.

With an angelic steel weapon.

And Cherri regularly partakes in turf wars solo, relying only on herself and her bomb, and by feats alone is blatantly stronger than your average Sinner.

I don't see any proof of this shit, man. You say Cherri is stronger than normal sinners, but you've given nothing for that. Oh wow, the woman with EXPLOSIVES as a main weapon is soloing turf wars, I sure wonder how she could manage that. It's called Area of Effect.

"But Pentious went 2v1 with Cherri and Angel on equal footing"
He didn't. He had his whole army of Eggs by his side (He straight says he can't fight without them) and fought at range against Cherri with his raygun.
And the one time he went physical, Angel didn’t show even the slightest hint of pain from it.

Angel literally yelps. "Didn't show the slightest hint of pain" my well-polished bony ass.

At best, you could argue Pentious’ durability scales to them. But like, guy took hits from both Alastor

That literally killed him. Also, don't you call Pentious' durability feats contradicted/outliers to downgrade him? Not saying I disagree with that, but uh... yeah.

and Zestial

We dont see Pentious except for after the fight, IE, an unknown timeframe later. And it literally cut the shark in half and destroyed his cannon.

and Husk also complimented his endurance sooo

Yeah his endurance for pain is great considering what he goes through lol

Anyways, wait for mods. I'm only gonna respond to this line of arguments once, agree to disagree.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I can understand going off by authors statement and say singing was an amp, but using Tier 9 “anti-feats” (PIS) and arguing that Sinners scale to Overlords is genuinely bad, sorry.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

More consistent than planet busters I'm ngl

 

[DaReaperMan]

More consistent than planet busters I'm ngl

Think about it, We could have such matches as Alastor vs Goku and Vox vs Deathwing!

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Idk bro, the list of cool matches within tier 9-8 are way cooler for Hazbin's weak P&A

 

[DaReaperMan]

Idk bro, the list of cool matches within tier 9-8 are way cooler for Hazbin's weak P&A

I know lmfao

They basically just farm losses in 5-B lmfao, but it's funny to think of Alastor vs Goku

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Think about it, We could have such matches as Alastor vs Goku and Vox vs Deathwing!

Fr fr, Kid goku vs Alastor would be the funniest matchup all time (No matter the winner, off site slander will be hilarious)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Fr fr, Kid goku vs Alastor would be the funniest matchup all time (No matter the winner, off site slander will be hilarious)

5-B Hazbin is off-site slander bait at it's peaaaaak

 

[DarkLock92]

Upgrade Hazbin because you like the verse
Upgrade Hazbin to ragebait haters

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Holy shit you watched Happy City, not Hazbin Hotel...

That doesn't really work when I went out of my way to I add a link for each one of my claims lol

Eden, they literally have Valentino and Husk's clash available on the vees site thing on the official website for the show.

You know lying also includes omittion, right?

Also, it literally takes a thrown in hit that by the way leaves no marks and multiple punches just to hurt him properly. This isn't "she totally scales" material.

Ok? Did the clash hurt Valentino? No. You said Husk beat up Valentino, which is just flat-out false. He didn’t. Valentino was virtually unharmed right up until Cherri's beatdown.

Also obviously that's enough to scale??? You yourself agree that Alastor making Adam rub his chin for 2 seconds is enough for him to scale, you're seriously telling me bruising someone and making them cough up blood after just a few hits somehow ISN'T enough? Buddy, just an "OUTCH" is enough for 99% of verses lol

The lack of anything done to him whatsoever... and what does he do? Oh yeah, CLOSE HIS EYES AND PINCH HIS NOSE. Almost like it blinded him/hurt his eyes, but saying this makes your argument more holey than swiss cheese, so you do everything to avoid it.

Or is Valentino so deep in thought that he has to close his eyes and meditate? I want you, after you wake up or have been in a dark room for awhile, to walk into your bathroom and flip that light switch. What hurts? Your eyes.

So according to you, everything Husk did prior to the dice explosion was completely no-sold by Valentino?
Because Husk only landed one hit and your entire argument hinges on the idea that since that single blow didn’t visibly injure him, it somehow didn’t hurt him at all.

And “pinching his nose”? Huh? He’s covering his face with both hands. That’s a completely normal reaction after taking pain to the head or face.
People instinctively protect the area that just got hit, even when there’s no immediate visible injury.

And we see what happens when the explosives that actually do things to people get thrown at him. He gets tied up and has a hole burnt into his wings he doesn't notice until later. He doesn't die.

What are you even arguing here? Cause the one explosion incapacitated Val burned his wings, the thing that's very much intented to finish him off shouldn't scale, cause ???

Like I genuinely don't get it, you think if Angel didn't interrupt her, Cherri was going to shove the bomb into Val's head and do nothing? Really? Come on.
Repeat this point for the rest of the bomb stuff.

Holy shit its almost like you don't know how easy it is to break someone's hold on your wrists: Shove your arms into the direction of their fingers. Unless their grip strength is literally godlike they can't hold on.

Cool. Still doesn't at all mean Angel is stronger than Cherri for the rest of the argument you didn't respond to.

Hey Eden, who's Val's big moneymaker and favorite 'toy'?

I know you can answer that. Do you see why this is not the argument to try to stand on?

He's literally immortal. Val could nuke his head and it wouldn't matter.

Could have fooled me, Eden. But since you love to try to use Word of God...


...Need I say more? Want Cherri and Angel to scale? Show me them using magic. Can't have your WoG cake and eat it, too.

I literally didn't even argue that they're stronger, what? Are you reading my arguments? Like they're both straight-up weaker, just not by much.
The whole magic thing isn't even consistent with the show considering the fact Exorcists have no magic and stomp all Overlords not named Alastor. Neither does Shok.wav.

And should I really explain why WoG from 6 years ago isn't at all comparable to a current interview where they went into verse mechanics unprompted.

With an angelic steel weapon.

Doesn't matter. You think if you're holding a sword and a 9-B smacks it with a stick you'll be able to stop their force? No obviously not.

I don't see any proof of this shit, man. You say Cherri is stronger than normal sinners, but you've given nothing for that. Oh wow, the woman with EXPLOSIVES as a main weapon is soloing turf wars, I sure wonder how she could manage that. It's called Area of Effect.

Remember to match her Pentious (Your regular Sinner here) needs a whole army of goons and a giant warmachine that shoots lasers.

Angel literally yelps. "Didn't show the slightest hint of pain" my well-polished bony ass.

I'm talking about the slam, the thing where Pentious' AP would actually come up in, he literally jokes it off.

Also,

That literally killed him. Also, don't you call Pentious' durability feats contradicted/outliers to downgrade him? Not saying I disagree with that, but uh... yeah.

The explosion did, he was still very much alive as Alastor's tentacles were slamming him around his airship.

 

[ShionAH]

Also,

Whats this supposed to prove? Adam didn't show any sign of pain and later confirms that by being shocked at the feeling by Charlie

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I can understand going off by authors statement and say singing was an amp, but using Tier 9 “anti-feats” (PIS) and arguing that Sinners scale to Overlords is genuinely bad, sorry.