The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[DaReaperMan]

About 1000 megajoules actually, and kingpin has like zero skill as far as I know and kingpin doesn’t resist fire

Probably fair, most Witch Hunters are carrying torches, and those Torches be pretty hot thanks to being enchanted with Aqshy for the competent ones

and poison

Ehhhh, if they cant pierce him it might as well not exist. All of their stuff that's usable in combat isn't exactly lethal unless a kingpin is derift of intelligence enough to inhale a box full of poison that just got thrown into a cloud of death.

and pain manipulation

Not exactly instant win unless they know his stats and set him ablaze.

if they bring their stuff for those, I can definitely see them winning in a smallish group

Those guys look kind of skilled, I think that in a group they might be able to give him a challenge

Well, if you read the profile and think so, I'd invite you to make the matches, since there's not a lot outside of that to note besides the fact that they can dodge multiple projectiles at once.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

'Eternals 50th Anniversary' Celebrates Fifty Years of Jack Kirby's Cosmic Vision

This April, Marvel Comics proudly honors the Eternals’ epic legacy in 'Eternals 50th Anniversary' #1, a special one-shot by Ralph Macchio, Ethan S. Parker & Griffin Sheridan, Fall Out Boy’s Patrick Stump, Deal Eaglesham, Phil Noto, and Michael Cho.

www.marvel.com

 

[Rgerdeena]

Well, if you read the profile and think so, I'd invite you to make the matches, since there's not a lot outside of that to note besides the fact that they can dodge multiple projectiles at once.

I was just providing options with surface level analysis since you asked for good matches

 

[DaReaperMan]

I was just providing options with surface level analysis since you asked for good matches

A general profile like that is surface level. Specific quirks depend on the individual Witch Hunter, and there's basically only two notable named ones: Mathias Thulmann, someone I intend to make a profile of eventually, and Victor Saltzpyre, who kinda needs a rework but hey

 

[Tomfer]

9-B, mid-9-A, Low High 8-C.

We got options

MK has all of these tiers and more— well, except he kinda upscales H8-C in a strange way. And his 9-A comes from car destruction.

 

[Rgerdeena]

MK has all of these tiers and more— well, except he kinda upscales H8-C in a strange way. And his 9-A comes from car destruction.

Moon knight’s lowest statistic is high 8-c right now

 

[Tomfer]

Moon knight’s lowest statistic is high 8-c right now

Confluctor made a big ass overhaul of MK profile (I helped a little btw haha-) and I'm (trying) to port it here. He's got all of these tiers and I said and more, especially tier 1 BS.

 

[Antvasima]

DC Comics is Crushing Marvel Comics in Sales and We Shouldn’t Be Surprised

DC Comics is surging in the comic book markets and taking the tops spots while Marvel Comics is being edged out by its direct competition.

comicbook.com

What a shocker, who knew that doing anything besides pushing power scaling slop works?

To be fair, DC Comics has made a great judgement call by creating the DC Absolute Universe, so the readers who like grim and gritty stories, that reflect the reality that many everyday people who are struggling against an overwhelmingly oppressive oligarchy/totalitarian absolutely ruthless social-Darwinian inequality are dealing with, can get what they prefer, whereas readers like myself, who are perfectly aware of that reality, but prefer fun and imaginative aspirational bright hope, kindness, and decency from their entertainment can enjoy the traditional DC Universe instead without Dan Didiot overwriting it with mindless grimdark slop again.

It is a best of both worlds situation.

Or as Da3ggman put it:

They went back to the basics by reimagining the classics

Whereas in Marvel Comics by comparison, most of the stories are either an incoherent mess, or populated with completely unlikeable realpolitik-endorsing protagonists, with Hickman's Krakoa storyline in particular doing irrepairable harm to the entire X-Men brand by turning them into hardcore villain protagonists. It is not remotely heroic to offhandedly accept people who are as bad as or worse than Hitler, Stalin, and Mengele onto your team, be overpowered ultramilitant supremacists, and still pretend that you are being oppressed by all the powerless regular people. That is not love and progressive tolerant leftism, it is hatred and extremely far right fascism.

I also find that Hickman, Gillen, Starlin, and others have gradually largely turned Marvel in general into an anti-aspirational borderline morally nihilistic incredibly uninteresting horror show mixed with obsessive power-tripping. But hey, at least Al Ewing is trying to fight against the tsunami of sheer awfulness and bad writing, and Kamala Khan is likeable enough among the newer characters, but every time Ewing builds something constructive or wonderful, hack or malevolent writers keep tearing it down and turn everything awful again instead.

 

[Da3ggman]

Hmm....what if Marvel did something Like DC and rebooted everything? Maybe not like, absolutely everything, the highest stuff can be the same, but you know, the main universe. Basically a totally clean slate, no strings attached, where everything can be rebuilt without all of the many, many contradictions and old shit still there holding the writers back. I think it would bring a breath of fresh air to the company and allow for a new age of comics, along with DC's new stuff.

 

[Tomfer]

absolute

Say that again...

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Hmm....what if Marvel did something Like DC and rebooted everything? Maybe not like, absolutely everything, the highest stuff can be the same, but you know, the main universe. Basically a totally clean slate, no strings attached, where everything can be rebuilt without all of the many, many contradictions and old shit still there holding the writers back. I think it would bring a breath of fresh air to the company and allow for a new age of comics, along with DC's new stuff.

Why do I get the feeling they'd use that to put Peter back in high school?

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm....what if Marvel did something Like DC and rebooted everything? Maybe not like, absolutely everything, the highest stuff can be the same, but you know, the main universe. Basically a totally clean slate, no strings attached, where everything can be rebuilt without all of the many, many contradictions and old shit still there holding the writers back. I think it would bring a breath of fresh air to the company and allow for a new age of comics, along with DC's new stuff.

Maybe. It has turned into a big unlikeable mess at this point. But they would lose their vast history of imaginative stories to draw upon, and likely replace that depth of narrative with new and far inferior interpretations, which was one of the main problems with DC's New 52 continuity.

So I think that it would be better to just give nearly full creative editorial control over Marvel's overall direction to Mark Waid, Kurt Busiek, Grant Morrison, and Al Ewing for at least 5 years, to put Marvel characterisation and storytelling on the right track again, after Quesada, Hickman, Gillen, Bendis, Millar, Starlin, and many others, turned it dull, unlikeable, morbid, amoral, and depressing, as long as Grant makes an effort to stick to positive storytelling. Turning Emma Frost, a supremacist sadistic serial-rapist and serial-torturer into an aspirational "heroic icon" was not one of his better moments in my view, but his superhero stories have mostly been awesome.

 

[Da3ggman]

Maybe. It has turned into a big unlikeable mess at this point. But they would lose their vast history of imaginative stories to draw upon, and likely replace that depth of narrative with new and far inferior interpretations, which was one of the main problems with DC's New 52 continuity.

That is a good point, yeah. Now that you mention it, maybe that's why DC decided to do what they did with the Absolute Universe; it basically acts as a "reboot", while technically not being one, allowing it and the regular mainlines to coexist.

Tbh I wanted to avoid it if possible, since it feels like straight copying, but as far as what's best, I guess all roads lead to Marvel making their own version of the Absolute Universe.

Kind of like the Ultimate run, but more different. Also, you know, not total ass.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, in that case they probably should turn it nicer rather than nastier, given how morally awful the main Marvel Comics universe has already turned.

 

[Da3ggman]

Well, in that case they probably should turn it nicer rather than nastier, given how morally awful the main Marvel Comics universe has already turned.

Agreed.

 

[Rgerdeena]

That is a good point, yeah. Now that you mention it, maybe that's why DC decided to do what they did with the Absolute Universe; it basically acts as a "reboot", while technically not being one, allowing it and the regular mainlines to coexist.

Tbh I wanted to avoid it if possible, since it feels like straight copying, but as far as what's best, I guess all roads lead to Marvel making their own version of the Absolute Universe.

Kind of like the Ultimate run, but more different. Also, you know, not total ass.

You do realize that absolute universe is based on ultimate universe right, this is one of those rare cases where dc is the copycat not marvel, also marvel pretty much already did what your talking about with their new ultimate universe

 

[Rgerdeena]

To be fair, DC Comics has made a great judgement call by creating the DC Absolute Universe, so the readers who like grim and gritty stories, that reflect the reality that many everyday people who are struggling against an overwhelmingly oppressive oligarchy/totalitarian absolutely ruthless social-Darwinian inequality are dealing with, can get what they prefer, whereas readers like myself, who are perfectly aware of that reality, but prefer fun and imaginative aspirational bright hope, kindness, and decency from their entertainment can enjoy the traditional DC Universe instead without Dan Didiot overwriting it with mindless grimdark slop again.

Do you read spider man comics, he’s not perfect but he’s still an overall good guy, if you don’t read spider man comics then I recommend that you do when you have time since you’d probably like them better than most marvel comics

 

[DaReaperMan]

Do you read spider man comics, he’s not perfect but he’s still an overall good guy, if you don’t read spider man comics then I recommend that you do when you have time since you’d probably like them better than most marvel comics

nono, most Spider-Man comics are darker than the Care Bears and Phineas and Ferb

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Do you read spider man comics, he’s not perfect but he’s still an overall good guy, if you don’t read spider man comics then I recommend that you do when you have time since you’d probably like them better than most marvel comics

TBF, I'm not sure they'd like the recent stuff with Norman Osborn, given what they think of Emma Frost...

 

[Rgerdeena]

nono, most Spider-Man comics are darker than the Care Bears and Phineas and Ferb

Last I checked spider man isn’t okay with bullying, whereas one of the main characters in phineas and ferb is a bully and everyone else is absolutely fine with the bully bullying the one kid

 

[Rgerdeena]

TBF, I'm not sure they'd like the recent stuff with Norman Osborn, given what they think of Emma Frost...

it’s not like every character needs to be a character he likes for him to like the comic overall

 

[Da3ggman]

You do realize that absolute universe is based on ultimate universe right, this is one of those rare cases where dc is the copycat not marvel, also marvel pretty much already did what your talking about with their new absolute universe

Yeah

But Ultimate sucked.

I want them to do Ultimate again but not suck.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Yeah

But Ultimate sucked.

I want them to do Ultimate again but not suck.

Is that only referring to earth 1610 or is that referring to 1610 and 6160, because if that’s referring to 1610 then 6160 is basically what your suggesting, but if that’s referring to both then hopefully third time will be the charm

 

[Da3ggman]

Is that only referring to earth 1610 or is that referring to 1610 and 6160, because if that’s referring to 1610 then 6160 is basically what your suggesting, but if that’s referring to both then hopefully third time will be the charm

1610 mostly. 6160 is better, but its still not "enough", if I had to put it into words. Like, if they want to make an Absolute Universe, they gotta go all in like DC; I barely hear anything about it anymore.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

1610 mostly. 6160 is better, but its still not "enough", if I had to put it into words. Like, if they want to make an Absolute Universe, they gotta go all in like DC; I barely hear anything about it anymore.

I mean, the Ultimate Universe is ending now, so there's not much to say about it anymore.

 

[Da3ggman]

I mean, the Ultimate Universe is ending now, so there's not much to say about it anymore.

Ah, that makes sense.

Perfect time to do it right this time! God knows they're out of other good ideas.

 

[Rangoon04]

Hmm....what if Marvel did something Like DC and rebooted everything? Maybe not like, absolutely everything, the highest stuff can be the same, but you know, the main universe. Basically a totally clean slate, no strings attached, where everything can be rebuilt without all of the many, many contradictions and old shit still there holding the writers back. I think it would bring a breath of fresh air to the company and allow for a new age of comics, along with DC's new stuff.

every year I wish more and more that Marvel did at least some kind of actual reboot after Secret Wars 2 instead of progressively making matter less and less

 

[Antvasima]

Do you read spider man comics, he’s not perfect but he’s still an overall good guy, if you don’t read spider man comics then I recommend that you do when you have time since you’d probably like them better than most marvel comics

I like Spider-Man himself perfectly fine. He is a genuinely good person, but his stories are still rather depressing to me, as he always just seems to suffer and suffer without any relief.

 

[Antvasima]

TBF, I'm not sure they'd like the recent stuff with Norman Osborn, given what they think of Emma Frost...

Well, I am fine with genuine struggles for redemption, which is what Osborn seems to be going through. Emma Frost on the other hand has not truly changed much, as she is still a torturing mindra pe sa dist, and, for example, once forced an entire building full of people to either ra pe or murder each other while she was still a member of the X-Men (In "X-Men Black" if I remember correctly), and nobody cared at all afterwards. That is not genuine redemption. That is nearly complete amorality, which is one of my main problems with the X-Men.

 

[Antvasima]

Last I checked spider man isn’t okay with bullying, whereas one of the main characters in phineas and ferb is a bully and everyone else is absolutely fine with the bully bullying the one kid

Buford seems to have stopped being a bully towards Baljeet, but I am not certain.

 

[Antvasima]

nono, most Spider-Man comics are darker than the Care Bears and Phineas and Ferb

Ha!

 

[ObberGobb]

DC and Marvel are always kinda alternating between who is better. In the mid 2000s DC was much better imo, but in the early 2010s Marvel was much better. Right now I think DC is better, but I feel like in 5 years ago it will have switch again and Marvel will be doing the cool stuff.

 

[ObberGobb]

Ok so I planned to do a ton of read-throughs (all of Avengers, every cosmic book, etc.) to prepare for a Herald Tier revision thread (every Herald at 2-A is my dream) but the main obstacle I'm running into now is that I'm kinda liking DC way more now so I don't want to read hundreds of Marvel comics right now I want to read more Superman. So basically idk what I want to do with Heralds, oh well.

Still need revising though

 

[SamanPatou]

I'm personally giving the final touches to my Super-Skrull revision, which was basically already complete when I took a pause from the wiki. I need to shake some rust off, but I'm positive I'll post it soon.

 

[Antvasima]

All help is appreciated.

Would you be willing to help @The_Impress with her ongoing Marvel Comics revisions, Saman? If she thinks that it would be a good idea that is.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Ok so I planned to do a ton of read-throughs (all of Avengers, every cosmic book, etc.) to prepare for a Herald Tier revision thread (every Herald at 2-A is my dream) but the main obstacle I'm running into now is that I'm kinda liking DC way more now so I don't want to read hundreds of Marvel comics right now I want to read more Superman. So basically idk what I want to do with Heralds, oh well.

Still need revising though

I can help fix tiers once I’m finished with updating powers and abilities

 

[AcidSilver]

God damn it, Wanda. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS! THE SORCERER SUPREME IS AN ACTUAL JOB THAT IS GIVEN BY THE VISHANTI! JUST HAVING THE CLOAK AND THE EYE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT! PLENTY OF VILLAINS HAVE GOTTEN THEIR HANDS ON THOSE TWO! THEM CHOOSING YOU DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!

If they wanted Wanda to go against who the Vishanti want as the Sorcerer Supreme then why not just do that? Have her choose to do the duties of the Sorcerer Supreme independently instead of this dumbass "No I'm totally the true Sorcerer Supreme" bullshit.

 

[Rangoon04]

God damn it, Wanda. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS! THE SORCERER SUPREME IS AN ACTUAL JOB THAT IS GIVEN BY THE VISHANTI! JUST HAVING THE CLOAK AND THE EYE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT! PLENTY OF VILLAINS HAVE GOTTEN THEIR HANDS ON THOSE TWO! THEM CHOOSING YOU DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!

If they wanted Wanda to go against who the Vishanti want as the Sorcerer Supreme then why not just do that? Have her choose to do the duties of the Sorcerer Supreme independently instead of this dumbass "No I'm totally the true Sorcerer Supreme" bullshit.

isn't that the point so far though? Wanda can feel like she's the real one but the Vishanti haven't chosen her. I know Orlando loves glazing Wanda but I'm holding out on a little cope hope that it won't be that bad

 

[Entity]

God damn it, Wanda. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS! THE SORCERER SUPREME IS AN ACTUAL JOB THAT IS GIVEN BY THE VISHANTI! JUST HAVING THE CLOAK AND THE EYE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT! PLENTY OF VILLAINS HAVE GOTTEN THEIR HANDS ON THOSE TWO! THEM CHOOSING YOU DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!

If they wanted Wanda to go against who the Vishanti want as the Sorcerer Supreme then why not just do that? Have her choose to do the duties of the Sorcerer Supreme independently instead of this dumbass "No I'm totally the true Sorcerer Supreme" bullshit.

 

[AcidSilver]

isn't that the point so far though? Wanda can feel like she's the real one but the Vishanti haven't chosen her. I know Orlando loves glazing Wanda but I'm holding out on a little cope hope that it won't be that bad

What I'm suggesting is that she decides to do the duties of the Sorcerer Supreme without caring about the title. But instead she keeps insisting that she is in fact the true Sorcerer Supreme regardless of what the Vishanti thinks. The former lets her do the same things as the latter but without her just making objectively wrong statements that the story keeps trying to treat as valid. It also just makes Wanda look really stupid if her reasoning is that the cloak and eye choosing her is what makes her a valid SS despite the fact that this is coming off of an even where both items didn't choose to leave Doom despite how god awful he was. Yeah I'm sure the personal feelings of those two items are extremely important after we just saw them enable Mr. Fascism himself.