Dragon Ball 5D and 6D Extradimensional

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Logically if we were to argue that, there wouldn't be 6-D range or HDE either. Since that dimension is insignificant and pretty much curled up, where's the attack gonna go?

Insignificant dimensions aren't automatically planck length though? Just the latter is always the former. Also curled up dimensions 100% qualify for HDE and extradimensional range since it's still a new extradimensional axis.

 

[Shar122]

Looks fine to me.

 

[Ascka23]

Insignificant dimensions aren't automatically planck length though? Just the latter is always the former. Also curled up dimensions 100% qualify for HDE and extradimensional range since it's still a new extradimensional axis.

Its not an axis if its curled up in a very small circumference. The string theory theorises 6 compact dimensions of our space which we cannot observe due to being far too small. You wouldn't consider our selves 10-D beings, right?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Its not an axis if its curled up in a very small circumference.

Then you know nothing about small dimensions lmfao. Quite literally going against what they are. Which is another direction of space.

 

[Ascka23]

Then you know nothing about small dimensions lmfao. Quite literally going against what they are. Which is another direction of space.

Anyone who travels into those dimensions just end up at their starting point, so its really not treated as an additional axis at all. String theory would make all of us 10-D beings. You'd be arguing that our subatomic particles have 10-D HDE? No argument about that.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

You need to prove that it's Infinite/Universal not the other way around where it's assumed to be Infinite and conflicting evidence needs to be given to prove otherwise.

Are you talking about the neutral dimension? It contains all 12 Universes, so its size is at least low-multiversal scaled to the 12 space-times, which contain countless galaxies, planets, and stars, so it would be at least as large as all the universes combined or no larger than them.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Anyone who travels into those dimensions just end up at their starting point, so its really not treated as an additional axis at all. String theory would make all of us 10-D beings. You'd be arguing that our subatomic particles have 10-D HDE? No argument about that.

we cant really move or "extend" across those dimensions lmfao. Compact dimensions 100% occupy another axis. You're factually wrong in saying they are not.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

we cant really move or "extend" across those dimensions lmfao. Compact dimensions 100% occupy another axis. You're factually wrong in saying they are not.

We also allow infinite compactified dimensions to be high 1-B. So that should say something as well.

 

[Cipher72]

Are you talking about the neutral dimension? It contains all 12 Universes, so its size is at least low-multiversal scaled to the 12 space-times, which contain countless galaxies, planets, and stars, so it would be at least as large as all the universes combined or no larger than them.

Alright I have noticed this a lot so I will try to explain it to the best of my abilities

So whats preventing the 4th spatial axis from being infinite?

The Galaxies, Planets, stars are not 4-D they are 3-D, The Universes are 3-D (excluding time before anyone tries to argue semantics) hence regardless of their size they can be contained within an insignificant 4-D space similarly in this case the Neutral Zone can contain 4-D structures (12 macrocosms) without the 4th axis being Infinite.
That's enough derailing Viet's thread, I suggest asking a staff member for more info regarding this.

 

[Vietthai96]

Alright I have noticed this a lot so I will try to explain it to the best of my abilities

The Galaxies, Planets, stars are not 4-D they are 3-D, The Universes are 3-D (excluding time before anyone tries to argue semantics) hence regardless of their size they can be contained within an insignificant 4-D space similarly in this case the Neutral Zone can contain 4-D structures (12 macrocosms) without the 4th axis being Infinite.
That's enough derailing Viet's thread, I suggest asking a staff member for more info regarding this.

Agnaa said something about that you don't need explicit statement for the specific extra axis to be significant size but some other staff said you need those direct confirmation so idk what requirement is currently accepted tbh. Though yeah, let not derail this thread, we can talk about this in discussion thread

 

[Voidnether]

Note: Simply having extra-dimensions doesn't mean you can get an upgrade in tier, so please do not argue about it. This CRT is simply for upgrading Extradimensional Range and HDE, not a 1-C DB CRT, so please stay on topic and do not derail it; thanks

Assuming the potency is able to be focused onto a small area, would this also grant 6-D potency in terms of Hax or is it only range?

 

[Cipher72]

Agnaa said something about that you don't need explicit statement for the specific extra axis to be significant size but some other staff said you need those direct confirmation so idk what requirement is currently accepted tbh. Though yeah, let not derail this thread, we can talk about this in discussion thread

This is why 1-A Afterlife meta is the best, no insignificance headache.

 

[Vietthai96]

Assuming the potency is able to be focused onto a small area, would this also grant 6-D potency in terms of Hax or is it only range?

Range, hax isn't tied to dimensionality anymore, except dimensional hax like space-time manipulation or dimensional manipulation. Focused on small area just translate into potency and layer

 

[Vietthai96]

Oke i'm going to ping some staff, since the discussion is mostly settled at this point.

@Godernet @Elizhaa @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless

 

[Chariot190]

It's been brought to my attention that, range in DB is treated as AP on wiki, or directly connected to.
Why hasn't that been discussed yet? Ignoring any actual issues with the range itself (you should prob get Agnaa and whatnot in here to confirm), that's a pretty major thing ya'll skimming over I'd feel.

 

[Vietthai96]

???, what AP?, they are still having the same AP

 

[Chariot190]

???, what AP?, they are still having the same AP

I am not so subtly saying, based on arguments and standards we've had on wiki, I've seen argued directly before verbatim, a lot of which is actually accepted and part of their current ratings for a few feats. Having such range would tie back into AP to t least some degree now I disagree vehemently with that practice but the fact it's a thing that we kind of do we need to figure out if this actually effects such a thing.
As said, if this effects scaling, it needs to be discussed how. We still kind of just keep glossing over the fact it very well might.

 

[Killerdrone123]

It would be scaled to ap if the dimension was significant to be tiered in this case it isn't so it can't be really put into tier for ap so as such there A.P would remain same regardless.

DW we really don't have any plans of scaling characters higher with this logic that is uncertain and not in good faith so you can rest assured

 

[Vietthai96]

I am not so subtly saying, based on arguments and standards we've had on wiki, I've seen argued directly before verbatim, a lot of which is actually accepted and part of their current ratings for a few feats. Having such range would tie back into AP to t least some degree now I disagree vehemently with that practice but the fact it's a thing that we kind of do we need to figure out if this actually effects such a thing.
As said, if this effects scaling, it needs to be discussed how. We still kind of just keep glossing over the fact it very well might.

It doesn't effect scaling, or there is any change in AP. All the current AP rating was actually have range considered when they was evaluated, literally due to having distance between universes is unknown we have more universes = more AP, this kind of standard actually already incorporated range in it, as crossing the distance between separated space-time universes is actually crossing an unknown 5D distance, that why more universes = more AP. So in fact range was already incorporated into the entire AP scaling

 

[Chariot190]

DW we really don't have any plans of scaling characters higher with this logic that is uncertain and not in good faith so you can rest assured

I'm willing to take your word at face value, but past arguments still imply it's a thing, like may as well figure it out now instead of later just to index it properly regardless of what it ends up being even if it's nothing at all.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Looks fine.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yall ready for 5D other world fr

Anyways looks good

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Logistic question, but aren't all multiverses already considered to have insignificant 5D space between them per the wiki's standards? By this logic, any character who affects another universe would have 5D range? And any character that embodies a multiverse would be 5D?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Anyone who can affect the entire timeline or can cross to other timelines get 6D Extradimensional Range

• Zeno, Angel's haxes and most Major Game's characters
• Time Ring, Time Machine

Per our range justifications:

Complex Multiversal: Attacks and abilities that can reach anywhere within spaces whose size corresponds to two to five uncountably infinite levels above a standard universal model. In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 6 - 9-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 6 to R ^ 9).

You require an infinite or at least "Tierable" 6D space in order to qualify for 6D range. If you're arguing that the 6th dimension is compacted or non-tierable, it automatically does not qualify for 6D range.

 

[Vietthai96]

You require an infinite or at least "Tierable" 6D space in order to qualify for 6D range. If you're arguing that the 6th dimension is compacted or non-tierable, it automatically does not qualify for 6D range.

It is extradimensional range where you can reach to extra dimension; it doesn't care about the size of the dimension. You are arguing about a range rating that coresponding to a tier

 

[Qawsedf234]

It is extradimensional range where you can reach to extra dimension; it doesn't care about the size of the dimension. You are arguing about a range rating that coresponding to a tier

I see where I was going wrong. I just saw tbe 6D without the Extradimensional rating, so yeah it would qualify if the hyper-timeline is insubstantial 6D.

Having said that though, what is the written justification for the timeline being 6D? If the fifth dimension is being argued as existing but only in non-infinite amounts for the Neutral Zone, it seems to me that you're either arguing for infinite 5D (which only needs a 6D axis between the timelines) or infinite 6D.

EDIT: So I'm for the time machines getting it, I just don't get the Zeno justification. Is it just upscaling?

 

[Vietthai96]

Logistic question, but aren't all multiverses already considered to have insignificant 5D space between them per the wiki's standards? By this logic, any character who affects another universe would have 5D range? And any character that embodies a multiverse would be 5D?

depends on what kind of affecting, like if you need to cross the 5D space then yeah you have 5D extradimensional range, but if you, like, spawn youself into another universe without crossing anything then no, you still get extradimensional range due to reaching to a location outside space-time universe

merged with the entire multiverse itself then yeah 5D HDE, but not affect AP at all

Though you need proof that there is a space between universes and contain them, since some fiction have void between universes instead, which will not grant 5D

Having said that though, what is the written justification for the timeline being 6D?

I will just write explanation into the cosmology blog itself, then link the justification to the blog

If the fifth dimension is being argued as existing but only in non-infinite amounts for the Neutral Zone, it seems to me that you're either arguing for infinite 5D (which only needs a 6D axis between the timelines) or infinite 6D.

non-infinite? 6D axis between the timelines?.

 

[Qawsedf234]

will just write explanation into the cosmology blog itself, then link the justification to the blog

I'm asking what the explanation is in-general

non-infinite? 6D axis between the timelines?.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you this is the new proposal:

• Neutral Space is 2-C with a compacted 5th Dimensional Axis -> Extradimensional 5D range for effecting the totality of the structure
• Timeline -> Since the 5D space is a finite number, the timeline contains a infinite amount of snapshots, so it's infinite 5D
• Gap between -> Compacted 6th Dimensional space

So I get the time rings and time machine getting it. But I don't have a clear memory on why Angels or Zeno would get it. Did they travel to Trunk's timeline and I'm just not remembering?

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm asking what the explanation is in-general

likely this

• Neutral space is an insignificant 5-D space containing all of 12-18 macrocosms and also acts as an in-between time axis having its own side ways level of time.
• The overarching Timeline contains all of the structures mentioned above and is 6-D hypertimeline with 5 significant dimensions (Low 1-C) + 1 insignificant dimension

Neutral Space is 2-C with a compacted 5th Dimensional Axis -> Extradimensional 5D range for effecting the totality of the structure

Yes

Timeline -> Since the 5D space is a finite number, the timeline contains a infinite amount of snapshots, so it's infinite 5D

No, the timeline is 6D, but Low 1-C due to 5 dimensions being significant, while the other spatial dimension is insignificant

Gap between -> Compacted 6th Dimensional space

No, the 6D is not from the gap between timelines

 

[Qawsedf234]

No, the timeline is 6D, but Low 1-C due to 5 dimensions being significant, while the other spatial dimension is insignificant

To be honest I'm not sure how you're getting an insignificant 6D axis then.

As argued you're suggesting the Neutral Zone is 4D+1 which makes the Hypertimeline just 4D+2. Under your argument except for the Timelines which has a compacted 7th Dimensional axis.

For the Timeline to be 4D+2 with a compacted sixth, you would be forced to say that the Neutral Space isn't 4D spatially for that argument to happen.

 

[Shadow7001]

Logistic question, but aren't all multiverses already considered to have insignificant 5D space between them per the wiki's standards? By this logic, any character who affects another universe would have 5D range? And any character that embodies a multiverse would be 5D?

Technically yes but I suspect the wiki is a bit more strict with this sort of thing so you're only allowed an insignificant 5D multiverse if such a space is actually shown to exist or something like that maybe. Because otherwise every 2-C and higher multiverse would have to be indexed as 5D and no one on this wiki wants to go through that mess.

 

[Shadow7001]

I think it can be applied? 48 hours have passed and it has more than enough votes

 

[Hellformer]

It would be scaled to ap if the dimension was significant to be tiered in this case it isn't so it can't be really put into tier for ap so as such there A.P would remain same regardless.

DW we really don't have any plans of scaling characters higher with this logic that is uncertain and not in good faith so you can rest assured

It actually is, if you apply basic logic (not sure how valid it is though but someone pointed it out in DB discussion thread)

 

[Robo432343]

I think it can be applied? 48 hours have passed and it has more than enough votes

well qawsed just explained why it doesn't work so uh
needs more discussion ig

 

[Mgebrat282]

Agree

 

[SonGoku_9377]

The meaning of this CRT is that we have a Hypertimeline that is 5D, and it also encompasses the Neutral Space, which is a 5D space that is considered irrelevant. This results in the Hypertimeline being 6D, but it is a 6D that cannot be tiered. Is my understanding correct?

 

[Qawsedf234]

The votes are 4-1, but they also come from before the tiering questions.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Reiner04 @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless

Does my comments here change your votes or are you all still fine with the 6D/5D Extradimensional range stuff.

 

[Vietthai96]

Huh?. I thought it is 3-1?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Huh?. I thought it is 3-1?

im the 4th

 

[Qawsedf234]

Huh?. I thought it is 3-1?

Do you not agree with your own thread?