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Kratos vs Kevin Kaslana | God of War vs Hoyoverse | (1-1-11)

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Why isn't it on his profile then? The entire point of a vs match is to compare what's listed on the pages, every other series has to follow this rule, yet you guys get to be the exception because there are 2 staffs as supporters?
you are taking this the wrong way. This is nitpicking. We have clear cut scaling with explicit statements, it isn't some vague fire where you have to guess.

Besides this kind of attitude towards indexing is pedantic, there's a degree of reasonableness expected. Not everything needs to be hyper specified in numbers.
 
Also temperate/heat and space/time/black holes lose their specialty after Tier 3. They aren't even hax anymore as much as just energy and AP scaling. They aren't esoteric or incorporeal in any manner. So I think we can move on from those arguements.
 
Why isn't it on his profile then? The entire point of a vs match is to compare what's listed on the pages, every other series has to follow this rule, yet you guys get to be the exception because there are 2 staffs as supporters?
There have been multiple matches where information that just hasn't yet been updated has been used, since its not as though it ceases to exist otherwise, to be fair.

In this specific case, we'd assumed the information would be redundant, given all of this is already on the cosmology page. Guess I'l have to fix that, to avoid any nitpicking.
I believe it was mentioned in the downgrade thread for the verse that the extradimensional range for HI3/HSR in specific would function towards the L1C though, in tandem. If it doesn't cover more even in this particular case, then that's fine. At least it means BFR here won't be enough, what are Kratos's layers though?
6 at this point, but I'll have to recheck the magic page.
 
@AlipheeseXIV The cosmos' fire is literally stated on the Blades of Chaos' page. God of War has pages specifically for the weapons in the series. Maybe do some digging and look at the Blades of Chaos before you assume it's not there when it is.
 
Also temperate/heat and space/time/black holes lose their specialty after Tier 3. They aren't even hax anymore as much as just energy and AP scaling. They aren't esoteric or incorporeal in any manner. So I think we can move on from those arguements.
To steelman, it is possible that he has feats of affecting other Tier 1s, so we can just verify that first.
 
you are taking this the wrong way. This is nitpicking. We have clear cut scaling with explicit statements, it isn't some vague fire where you have to guess.
I'm not arguing it's a vague fire, my main reason for being so intent with this is because it's a clear case of double standards. Yes, it is nitpicking, that's what everyone does on this wiki. What? You're gonna tell me all of a sudden that I shouldn't nitpick just because it's beneficial for you? Hell no, if we hold other verses to the standards of nitpicking, then this one should be no exception. I simply ask that it's listed on the profile (you guys don't have to listen to me I ain't shit breh) but in that case, then I want such a standard to be held across all verses on the wiki, and will use this as a prime example to do so, it's really that simple. We can forego the heat arguments for now, I alr did so at the start of the conversation when you first mentioned the heat
 
I mean there's a reason in itself why there's no specific heat value, no? The temperature since Big Bang keeps dropping in terms of celsius to be lower and lower until we got like a couple degrees above Absolute Zero, like a statement "The primordial fire that births all heat in the cosmos" is just the potency of the fire, not the degree/temperature, there's a distinction

Take this for instance, 100 seconds after Big Bang, the temperature is treated to be 1 billion celsius (which is what Kevin's Judgement of Shamash here since it could radiate supernova), it gets lower significantly the more seconds it has passed, my reasoning would be that if we're equating this to a Big Bang, the heat value is simply unquantifiable, hence why there's no specific value
A lot happened in that first second of the big bang. But that's just the beginning of the story. After 100 seconds, the universe's temperature cooled to 1 billion degrees Kelvin (1 billion degrees Celsius, 1.8 billion degrees Fahrenheit).
The universe continued to expand and cool. After about 56,000 years, the universe had cooled to 9,000 degrees Kelvin (8,726 degrees Celsius, 15,740 degrees Fahrenheit). At this time, the density of the matter distribution in the universe matched the density of radiation. After another 324,000 years, the universe had expanded enough to cool down to 3,000 degrees Kelvin (2,727 degrees Celsius, 4,940 degrees Fahrenheit).
Today, the temperature of the universe is 2.725 degrees Kelvin (-270 degrees Celsius, -455 degrees Fahrenheit), which is only a couple of degrees above absolute zero.
Iirc it has been like a whole mythology from Greek to Nordic (which is where Ragnarok takes place), so yeah might as well say the temperature of the fire is a couple degrees above Absolute Zero, Kevin resists Absolute Zero because of the Honkai genes lol
 
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To steelman, it is possible that he has feats of affecting other Tier 1s, so we can just verify that first.
He does affect other tier 1's with this, yeah we don't really need to go into that that's obvious. I think the main discussion right now should center on the layers and the wincons for now, what do we got for Kratos other than the CM1 you mentioned?
 
I'm not arguing it's a vague fire, my main reason for being so intent with this is because it's a clear case of double standards. Yes, it is nitpicking, that's what everyone does on this wiki. What? You're gonna tell me all of a sudden that I shouldn't nitpick just because it's beneficial for you? Hell no, if we hold other verses to the standards of nitpicking, then this one should be no exception. I simply ask that it's listed on the profile (you guys don't have to listen to me I ain't shit breh) but in that case, then I want such a standard to be held across all verses on the wiki, and will use this as a prime example to do so, it's really that simple. We can forego the heat arguments for now, I alr did so at the start of the conversation when you first mentioned the heat
I think you are suffering a case of misunderstanding. It isn't that strict. You are taking this to an absolute degree.
 
I think you are suffering a case of misunderstanding. It isn't that strict. You are taking this to an absolute degree.
Nah man, I think you just haven't dealt with series where shit has been that strict lol. As a result of such cases, I'm being intent on these things, still the heat arguments can be put aside atp
 
I'm going to address the elephant in the room that GoW supporters ignored: how will Kratos deal with 6 layers of Honkai Energy?
  • Hax resistances for soul/mind/concept/probability/life/chaos manip goes up to that level in resistances in GoW, albeit for Fear Zeus and Hope Kratos, so it's largely a matter of checking how Valhalla Kratos compares.
  • Kratos develops more layers of resistance and hax via RE mid-fight at multiple points in his battles, and can resurrect in this key.
 
@AlipheeseXIV Anything magic/Soul related in the verse has layers to it, which has a lot of hax from concept, probability, mind, soul, etc. Also

Nah man, I think you just haven't dealt with series where shit has been that strict lol. As a result of such cases, I'm being intent on these things, still the heat arguments can be put aside atp

You do not know what God of War fans had to go through from back in the day to nowadays. They know how it is to debate with things being extra strict, anyone who remembers the Matt era of gatekeeping for GoW buffs can attest to that.
 
Nah man, I think you just haven't dealt with series where shit has been that strict lol. As a result of such cases, I'm being intent on these things, still the heat arguments can be put aside atp
Lolol, we have dealt with whole lot of strict, you have no idea. We had to fight tooth and nail to get reasonable. But I digress.
 
@AlipheeseXIV Yeah that's the general magic/soul related stuff. Planck can give you a more in depth explanation on what's what given he's the one who helped work on the different kinds of magic that exists in both pantheons.
 
It's currently 5 layers for God Kratos, and this carries over to his Norse self. That said, he can develop more layers mid-fight, and in this key, can keep coming back repeatedly, even if he's killed.

Hope Kratos has 6 layers and invulnerability down to his concept as well. Both of these are outdated, but unlike the heat discussion, are a lot less straightforward so we can move forward with these values for this thread.
 
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"What's that? Your ability is inferred and not written word for word verbatim on the profile, and requires a single step in logical thinking? Erm, sorry pal, if it's not explicitly on there, we can't use it!"
 
It's currently 5 layers for God Kratos, and this carries over to his Norse self. That said, he can develop more layers mid-fight, and in this key, can keep coming back repeatedly, even if he's killed.

Hope Kratos has 6 layers and invulnerability down to his concept as well. Both of these are outdated, but unlike the heat discussion, are a lot less straightforward so we can move forward with these values for this thread.
This is Valhalla Kratos though not Hope Kratos iirc
 
It's currently 5 layers for God Kratos, and this carries over to his Norse self. That said, he can develop more layers mid-fight, and in this key, can keep coming back repeatedly, even if he's killed.
The resurrection is tied to Valhalla though is it not? What is the level of resurrection he has anyways? Low godly or smth?
 
The resurrection is tied to Valhalla though is it not? What is the level of resurrection he has anyways? Low godly or smth?
Yeah. As for level, this is a setting where all magic users (everything worthy of a profile) have Type 1 concept hax, and so far no one has managed to perma-kill anything in Valhalla. Dunno how to rank that otherwise.
 
Yeah. As for level, this is a setting where all magic users have Type 1 concept hax, and so far no one has managed to perma-kill anything in Valhalla. Dunno how to rank that otherwise.
Yeah...ik the Valhalla lore is that it's literally impossible to die in there, is there no way we can determine it though? Otherwise, how exactly would we draw the line with some abilities being able to, or not being able to permanently kill him?
 
It's currently 5 layers for God Kratos, and this carries over to his Norse self. That said, he can develop more layers mid-fight, and in this key, can keep coming back repeatedly, even if he's killed.

Hope Kratos has 6 layers and invulnerability down to his concept as well. Both of these are outdated, but unlike the heat discussion, are a lot less straightforward so we can move forward with these values for this thread.
How do you know how many layer a hax has, like does it say on the page? Or you just know
 
How do you know how many layer a hax has, like does it say on the page? Or you just know
It's listed on the God of War Magic Explanation Page. Levels of Magical Power section.
His Resurrection level isn't Low-Mid or something like that?
That's his innate regeneration. Valhalla and Hope Kratos have their own far more potent regeneration.
Yeah...ik the Valhalla lore is that it's literally impossible to die in there, is there no way we can determine it though? Otherwise, how exactly would we draw the line with some abilities being able to, or not being able to permanently kill him?
I mean, that's as much as we get. Restricting it to in-universe abilities is how we usually go, hence my mention of what all magic users in the setting are capable of. If even mortals can't permanently off each other, despite not having innate resistances to concept hax, then it would go that far.
 
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