Grace & recount ended (V (Devil May Cry) vs. William Afton (Games))

[Comiphorous]

The outsmarting is as large as the outstamina'ing that William has, why would it be a 100% stomp?

because his stamina section feels incomplete and is clearly missing things. The guy can fight and has links showing him fighting several people at once but if he exerts himself for more than a few seconds he gets exhausted? just a bit fishy to me. i'm fairly certain if his stamina section listed other things he did a fight where the two are face to face while afton is already down a limb it would end in him being incapacitated fairly easily.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Don't listen to Tony. He is just downplaying for fun.

The thing is that in FNaF 3, the player can keep William at bay and get the two jumpscares in quick succesion
but the key we're using only theoretically can use the ability of summoning him, because in FNaF "6" he doesn't do so (and it would make this ridiculous ass "hard-just-for-difficulty's-sake" game even harder)

Those are the gifs for all the jumpscares in the game, note that the Phantom Freddy one is very direct, just a jump into ur face (while William's is the most pathetic, stupid and hilarious **** this franchise has ever produced)

That will earn him a cane smack accross his face.

I've noticed that his profile "lacks" something but i noticed that whoever did it, made it on purpose
The "Demon Physiology" page is not in his Base Abilities key, only in the Resistances one
Meaning he get the resistances but not the usage of the abilities themselves

Nothing to do with physiology, it's just magic dawg. Basic demon energy or magic.

yeah, V isn't a demon nor does he have any ability like that and he clearly can't destroy souls like the others do (as the demons he kills are sent back to the demon world instead of being killed) at best he can touch souls and destroy them that way but not something he can do nilly willy

bruh, having too much fun is bad thing Tony.

because his stamina section feels incomplete and is clearly missing things. The guy can fight and has links showing him fighting several people at once but if he exerts himself for more than a few seconds he gets exhausted? just a bit fishy to me. i'm fairly certain if his stamina section listed other things he did a fight where the two are face to face while afton is already down a limb it would end in him being incapacitated fairly easily.

Because Tony is describing V at the end of the game where is actually about to become dust and die.

 

[Comiphorous]

Because Tony is describing V at the end of the game where is actually about to become dust and die.

why would his profile specifically be indexing only the specific end game section of V where he's actively dying

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

why would his profile specifically be indexing only the specific end game section of V where he's actively dying

profile talks about him overall, the full picture. Blame oversight, but it doesn't elaborate on details. Although there is one feat mentioned there where he fights 3 mirages consecutively.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Are the summons of V completely absent or are they just unusable for match and V still has tattoos?

 

[Nonynho]

That will earn him a cane smack accross his face.

Shadows are illusions, so...
and @Comiphorous stated that he 100% don't use it, so let's drop this

Nothing to do with physiology, it's just magic dawg. Basic demon energy or magic.

Couldn't get what you mean here

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Thing is that it's still reasonable to say that William has more stamina than V in general, so whatever imprecision the profile may contain, won't impact much in the final outcome

Are the summons of V completely absent or are they just unusable for match and V still has tattoos?

completely absent
He can't call griffon to fly or anything alike

If it didn't make stuff unfair and if it was ok by our standards, i'd say in OP something like "start of the manga V", who didn't even meet the summons

 

[Comiphorous]

@Comiphorous stated that he 100% don't use it, so let's drop this

Just to let everyone know on the status of William's illusions for further reference.

This version of him (Novels) has actual combat feats and 5 kj AP, does not use paranormal illusions in combat. Will throw hands. (besides illusions disks, which iirc aren't in character for him typically besides specific circumstances)

This version of him (Games, we are using this one) Is a middle ground between the two versions, he scales to baseline 9-B unlike the other two and only moderately uses illusions and does not have combat experience. (in his second key only, other keys he doesn't use them at all)

This version of him (Fazbear Frights) abuses his illusions about as much as humanly possible.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Couldn't get what you mean here

He has and uses DE/Magic, just like any other DMC character.

completely absent
He can't call griffon to fly or anything alike

If it didn't make stuff unfair and if it was ok by our standards, i'd say in OP something like "start of the manga V", who didn't even meet the summons

IF they are allowed as tattoos without manifesting, they can still provide additional ESP and Multiple Selves to help strategise in battle. They don't need to come out.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

What is so special about those illusions?

 

[Nonynho]

This version of him (Games, we are using this one) Is a middle ground between the two versions, he scales to baseline 9-B unlike the other two and only moderately uses illusions and does not have combat experience. (in his second key only, other keys he doesn't use them at all)

by saying this, you think we should use his FNaF 3 self, right? Wouldn't change much imo except making his stealth a tiny bit less good, so if that's the case, i can just make the change

 

[Nonynho]

What is so special about those illusions?

they just jumpscare you but not kill
in the 3rd game if you don't pay attention to certain aspects, they jumpscare you and screw your equipments, and while you fix them, William jumps your ass
In this battle's context, Shadow Freddy would just be a distraction of a split of a second to get William attempting a sneak attack

IF they are allowed as tattoos without manifesting, they can still provide additional ESP and Multiple Selves to help strategise in battle. They don't need to come out.

Not needed
If they aren't here and people are non-stop with the stomp talk, imagine if he can strategize even better lol

He has and uses DE/Magic, just like any other DMC character.

Anything other than what's in the profile that would make a difference here?

 

[Comiphorous]

by saying this, you think we should use his FNaF 3 self, right?

If you use his fnaf 3 self, he'd use some illusions that would be visually impairing to V (ghostly animatronics jumping at him, blocking his vision, etc), but otherwise his methods of attack aren't going to change for the match. a moderately safe change i'd say.

 

[Nonynho]

If you use his fnaf 3 self, he'd use some illusions that would be visually impairing to V (ghostly animatronics jumping at him, blocking his vision, etc), but otherwise his methods of attack aren't going to change for the match. a moderately safe change i'd say.

Won't even need to recount the votes, yay
changing rq

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Don't listen to Tony. He is just downplaying for fun.

That will earn him a cane smack accross his face.

Nothing to do with physiology, it's just magic dawg. Basic demon energy or magic.

bruh, having too much fun is bad thing Tony.

Because Tony is describing V at the end of the game where is actually about to become dust and die.

tbf I'm being serious, V doesn't have the haxes or benefits from demons (he isn't one) and despite his body being held up together by magic its not something he uses offensively (as he doesn't want to waste power)

"killing" demons most of the time is just dealing the 1hp damage as the nightmares can hit as hard as they can but are unable to kill demons by themselves as "no matter how bad a nightmare is, a dream can't kill you" weird since peter pan uses dream hax and plot hax

 

[Nonynho]

tbf I'm being serious, V doesn't have the haxes or benefits from demons (he isn't one) and despite his body being held up together by magic its not something he uses offensively (as he doesn't want to waste power)

"killing" demons most of the time is just dealing the 1hp damage as the nightmares can hit as hard as they can but are unable to kill demons by themselves as "no matter how bad a nightmare is, a dream can't kill you" weird since peter pan uses dream hax and plot hax

afaik ur 100% correct lol

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump, i swear i won't let this necro because i'd really like to see this get to an end when finally i found a cool matchup with William that could get him a fair L and give DMC a W would make me happy af too

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

nah you are doomed

 

[Nonynho]

nah you are doomed

Lets hope not

 

[Nonynho]

Bump, you may call me tyranid

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Apotheosis69]

V himself doesn't have any Demon hax?

 

[Nonynho]

V himself doesn't have any Demon hax?

Nope

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I voted and you ignored me >:v

 

[Nonynho]

I voted and you ignored me >:v

swear i didnt read it, voted V, right?

Oh, seeing some posts i think you voted for the old William key. Still voting it after the change?

 

[Nonynho]

Bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

william for my reasons

 

[Nonynho]

william for my reasons

Wanna debate them again or nah?

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Wanna debate them again or nah?

nah, same arguments

 

[Nonynho]

nah, same arguments

i've answered to them, if they are about his phantom and outlasting him, wanna talk about it/have you read it?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

explain to me pls

 

[Nonynho]

explain to me pls

sure


-Outstamina:

Should be true that William gets this if it wasn't by the fact that this refers to the game in general, where V gan get his summons to do a lot of stuff and finish several enemies, sometimes in fights that extend for quite a bit. And to get to the point where he can't do much, several days have passed where he don't have such limitation
In short, he's not completely screwed in this regard as the profile may have indicated before for reading the "Sprinting" part of the Weakness section. They should be more or less equal

-Phantom Freddy / Stealth:

V's extrasensory perception should 100% detect William if he tries to hide, and if he tries to make a faint attack it probably can get V once, but as he can teleport and outsmarts William battle-wise, it can (and will) go wrong if attempted, so should not revert into a wincon 80%+ of the time

 

[Nonynho]

Back to bumping

 

[Apotheosis69]

So… William Afton as Springtrap can Seal his opponent's spirits in Memories and locations.

What can V do?