Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[MSahla]

So praying gives u omniscient knowledge about ur god?
Thats why all inazuma civilians know that their god aint the same that ruled 500 years ago?

Even do ur comparing 2 books from the same age, 1 of those is the god damn outlier that has been defined as outdated and unrealiable

So why hasn't Nicole clearly state that PO and Shades were higher existence beings in her yap about Nibelung's revenge?

Sahl are u deadass just ignoring the 3 videos i linked because it collides with ur headcanon?

The game litterally says :outdated and unreliable. Just confirming my point of Genshin fans being incapable of reading

Sahl, one of Lauma's justification for their books being inaccurate is because most of their stories are pass down trought oral tradition which she stated would lead to inevitably their things not being accurate

THE GOD OF LIFE, CREATES LIFE?!?!?! HELL NAH IMPOSSIBLE

Gonna use an simple food example ok?


A sun according to ur logic

"Guys the bible mention animals, and animals do indeed exist, that must mean the bible is a reliable source of the universe creation"

Man, we just saw some leafs reverting their growth around her, if u consider that enough proof to say she is the embodiment of time, then i am the embodiment of space because i have my own gravitational pull

Exaggerations

This is just another level of denial

About this whole ‘is Hymns of the Far North accurate thing’, the fact that Lauma says a lot of their text is inaccurate and we know for a fact Hymns of the Far North was wrong about Nibelung’s reasoning for leaving Teyvat AND we know at certain points things have been lost or other versions exist AND other accounts of Columbina, Raiden, Zhongli etc have exaggerations or falsehoods, we shouldn’t treat it as absolute gospel and take things with a grain of salt.

It never says it's inaccurate about it specifically, what Lauma says is out of context and not relevant whatsoever. They searching for Columbina's name in the books. If that's including Hymns of the Far North then they will not find any because the book never mentioned her name.

The Nibelung one is also so, it never had that context whatsoever, that's just mean he wants to set on journey through the sea of stars. Nibelung wants to marry the Voyager is a complete misinformation.

Just because characters worship a deity or revere theme doesn’t mean they know them or everything they got up to.

we have to know who the people who pray are, they are hyperborens, they LITERALLY once have Koitar, a fkin First Angel, First Daughter of the Heavenly Principles who told them everything about the gods of the high heavens.

 

[Puppet43]

Why would you pray to the god you didn't even know or aware about?

There are a lot of religions that work like this irl

The book literally written by hyperboreans not frost moon scions which long descendants of hyperboreans, then passed down to them generation to generation and later compiled by priestest Ehrnrooth. What are you quoting not even relevant to begin with

It doesnt matter who wrotte it, it is stated than any book previous to Columbina's birth found in Hiishi island is innacurate, that includes Hymns

Which part of the book is outlier? How book is even outlier to begin with? How is it outdated? Does before sun and moon also outdated because it's ancient book by your own logic?

Man did u even read what i told u?
I said "Even if both books are written at the same time, one has been stated as outdated" NOT BOTH, NOT 0, BUT 1 AND THAT 1 IS THE ONE UR DEFENDING

The record of juyun

the spring of hidden jade

men of lithin

Havent read those books, cant tell u anything (or at least i dont renember them)

perinheri tells about khaenriah, outlander, and their search for descender which something current peoples never know about

Perinheri could had been pretty much pass down from tales of actual Khaenri'ahns. Arle didn't magically get info about her lineage. Khaenriah survivors (like Dain, Pierro, Capi) could had help with the creation of said book. But for now we dont really know how it was written, so mostly especulation

Does that all of this book invalid despite no current peoples know about?

The problem isnt "no current person knows" the problem is ur straight up going against what game tells u face value

Im not debating right or wrong, im mearly stating a fact
- Zhongli

Why would NICOLE HAVE TELL THAT THING EXACTLY IN THAT MOMENT!? When that was isn't their main priority that time to search columbina name

But she had all time to tell us about Nibelung war, the status of the Moons, Hyperborean lore and etc right?

You haven't seen any contradiction yet so far, and only have beef with first volume of the book that tells about heavenly principles with their shades, and remain fine with other volume that tell us about voyager, first angel, nibelung, and third descender which also connected and consistent with other source. Sorry but that sound bit hypocrite...

I never said i only had beef with the first volumen, i stated multiple times i not believe anything coming from Hiishi Island just because they told us not to trust all in there

 

[Puppet43]

This is just another level of denial

Sahl vs Well structured argument:

 

[MSahla]

Sahl vs Well structured argument:

Puppet if theres a fact but he don't want it to be true

 

[MSahla]

Your argument is completely flawed, puppet.
"They never see them, therefore they're unreliable"
Bruhhh..

Then any metaphysics aspects we've had irl aren't accurate then like Time, Space and etcetera, because we never see them.

It doesnt matter who wrotte it, it is stated than any book previous to Columbina's birth found in Hiishi island is innacurate, that includes Hymns

Oh yeah so, Naberius created Egeria not accurate? Nibelung created the 3 Moons not accurate? Heavenly Principles being genderless is not accurate? Saarelainen being carved into seven pieces not accurate? Koitar and Seutervoinen there being not accurate?

Hymns of the Far North do not require the authors to have ‘seen’ the beings described, because they are articulating cosmological truths, not reporting a sighting.

hymns are used to convey truths of being, not field notes. Their authority comes from tradition, continuity, and metaphysical coherence, not from whether the singers personally “met” the subject.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

It never says it's inaccurate about it specifically, what Lauma says is out of context and not relevant whatsoever. They searching for Columbina's name in the books. If that's including Hymns of the Far North then they will not find any because the book never mentioned her name.

The Nibelung one is also so, it never had that context whatsoever, that's just mean he wants to set on journey through the sea of stars. Nibelung wants to marry the Voyager is a complete misinformation.


we have to know who the people who pray are, they are hyperborens, they LITERALLY once have Koitar, a fkin First Angel, First Daughter of the Heavenly Principles who told them everything about the gods of the high heavens.

That doesn’t change the fact that they have inaccurate text in their library.

So you agree the book isn’t 100% accurate.

Dude the people of Inazuma literally have Ei living with them. The people of Liyue see Zhongli yearly and several people have gone to talk with and train with his subordinates and yet they all have false facts about them.

 

[MSahla]

That doesn’t change the fact that they have inaccurate text in their library.

Never explicitly stated it's also Hymns of the Far North

So you agree the book isn’t 100% accurate.

Where?

Dude the people of Inazuma literally have Ei living with them. The people of Liyue see Zhongli yearly and several people have gone to talk with and train with his subordinates and yet they all have false facts about them.

Those ppl aren't the descendants of the ancient unified civilization who knows everything because they had Angels before.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Never explicitly stated it's also Hymns of the Far North

Where?

Those ppl aren't the descendants of the ancient unified civilization who knows everything because they had Angels before.

The book is part of their library.

So do you think Nibelung left Teyvat because he fell for an alien?

Yeah those people are the current day humans who live down the street from Ei and saw Zhongli on a yearly basis and they still don’t have 100% accurate history.

 

[MSahla]

So do you think Nibelung left Teyvat because he fell for an alien?

??
I already know he left Teyvat not for a goddamn marrying any woman, like bruh, why would he do that? Lol.

Yeah those people are the current day humans who live down the street from Ei and saw Zhongli on a yearly basis and they still don’t have 100% accurate history.

Zhongli literally retired and Ei is just basically Hikikomori.

Again, they're not the descendants of the ancient civilizations who knows everything brcause they had Angels and one of them is literally Nicole who also knows the very foundation of the world.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

??
I already know he left Teyvat not for a goddamn marrying any woman, like bruh, why would he do that? Lol.


Zhongli literally retired and Ei is just basically Hikikomori.

Again, they're not the descendants of the ancient civilizations who knows everything brcause they had Angels and one of them is literally Nicole who also knows the very foundation of the world.

So then you agree Hymns of the Far North isn’t 100% accurate.

Zhongli was active for 1000s of years before his retirement and there was still misinformation. Even before Ei became a shut in there were inaccuracies in the myths about her.

Current day people literally live with the gods and their aides/subordinates and still get things wrong. So again there’s genuine reason to not take Hymns of the Far North as absolute fact

 

[AsterReal]

Leaving that discussion of reliability aside, quick question about Dottore. Should elemental abilities such as creating pillars of rock be considered Geo Manipulation or Earth Manipulation?

I'm making a list of his abilities with the Three Moons Authority, but I'm not really sure if his elemental abilities are using Teyvat's Elemental Energy (beyond kuuvahki) or using the standard elemental ability from the wiki.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Leaving that discussion of reliability aside, quick question about Dottore. Should elemental abilities such as creating pillars of rock be considered Geo Manipulation or Earth Manipulation?

I'm making a list of his abilities with the Three Moons Authority, but I'm not really sure if his elemental abilities are using Teyvat's Elemental Energy (beyond kuuvahki) or using the standard elemental ability from the wiki.

We’ll probably need to wait for the boss fight to confirm. We can check if the rocks are geo with elemental sight when we fight him. We can also just check if he does geo damage. Iirc he already does electro

 

[AsterReal]

We’ll probably need to wait for the boss fight to confirm. We can check if the rocks are geo with elemental sight when we fight him. We can also just check if he does geo damage. Iirc he already does electro

Although, given that Moon Wheels can fuel the use of electro and dendro energy, I suppose the Three Moons Authority should allow Dottore to use all seven elements. Columbina can use hydro. In addition, Kuuvahki has been compared to Phlogiston.

 

[MSahla]

So then you agree Hymns of the Far North isn’t 100% accurate.

Not really, because it never had that context to begin with, even in Hymns of thr Far North.

Zhongli was active for 1000s of years before his retirement and there was still misinformation. Even before Ei became a shut in there were inaccuracies in the myths about her.

Current day people literally live with the gods and their aides/subordinates and still get things wrong. So again there’s genuine reason to not take Hymns of the Far North as absolute fact

Comparing these people is flawed ngl. People who lived since Unified Civilizations got their Info from Angels and all of them were aware of those gods. They literally had Koitar, a fakin first daughter of the creator god itself and literally spreading knowledge upon them.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Not really, because it never had that context to begin with, even in Hymns of thr Far North.

Comparing these people is flawed ngl. People who lived since Unified Civilizations got their Info from Angels and all of them were aware of those gods. They literally had Koitar, a fakin first daughter of the creator god itself and literally spreading knowledge upon them.

Hymns of the Far North literally says he left because he was into an alien. So if you agree Nibelung didn’t leave Teyvat for an alien then you agree it isn’t 100% accurate.

Yeah and people in Inazuma and Liyue were literally watching these events with their own eyes. There was even a guy who used to have tea with Makoto for goodness sake and yet they still have inaccurate information. The people live with Ei currently and there are still misconceptions about her.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Although, given that Moon Wheels can fuel the use of electro and dendro energy, I suppose the Three Moons Authority should allow Dottore to use all seven elements. Columbina can use hydro. In addition, Kuuvahki has been compared to Phlogiston.

This is quite likely so for now just a possibly could be fine. When he’s released we’ll see him in action. I’m personally anticipating he’ll use Electro, Hydro and Geo.

 

[Furina003]

I see debate for the book hymn , the Hymn Book of the Far North was written by Hyperborea, a nation founded by Koitar, just like the Book of Before the Sun and Moon, which was written by followers of Istaroth.

These books are highly credible because they are guided by entities that have existed since the creation of the world. How could the Book of Before the Sun and Moon know the history of the world's creation when humans hadn't even been created yet? Yes, because all that knowledge comes from Istaroth. Similarly, the Hyperboreans knew all of this because they were guided directly by Koitar, the first angel created by the heavenly principle.

Apart from that, we also need to understand how story games like Genshin apply their lore to provide knowledge about the Genshin world to players. This is how story game lore is conveyed. This was even discussed in the official livestream when Nod-Krai was about to release, where they discussed the books in the archives as information that would inform the game's storyline.

 

[MSahla]

Hymns of the Far North literally says he left because he was into an alien. So if you agree Nibelung didn’t leave Teyvat for an alien then you agree it isn’t 100% accurate.

It literally just means he was about to journey through the sea of stars, you can even read the next sentence of it.

Yeah and people in Inazuma and Liyue were literally watching these events with their own eyes. There was even a guy who used to have tea with Makoto for goodness sake and yet they still have inaccurate information. The people live with Ei currently and there are still misconceptions about her.

None of those ppl even comparable to those descendants of Hyperboreans.

 

[Furina003]

everything in genshin has its lore, even their gameplay is related to lore

 

[Giannysmag]

Spoiler: 6.3 Story Leaks

 

[MSahla]

Spoiler: 6.3 Story Leaks

Is that like a reference or something?

 

[MSahla]

Yaoyao is actually have one of the best glow up. They did justice to my daughter

 

[Giannysmag]

Is that like a reference or something?

Nah it's just funny

 

[Le'garde273]

Dawg Venti sneakily spamming time stuff is so funny. Do you have the clip?

 

[Puppet43]

as creating pillars of rock be considered Geo Manipulation or Earth Manipulation?

Seems to be more of Earth Manipulation, since those looks like chunks of the Moon

Puppet if theres a fact but he don't want it to be true

If this was the case i would pull up the type of shi i did in 2023, where i downscale the heck out of Neuvi, where i put him (with authority) below Signora.
Anyways this doesnt refute any of my point unlike i did for the time being

Your argument is completely flawed, puppet.
"They never see them, therefore they're unreliable"

The problem isnt "no current person knows" the problem is ur straight up going against what game tells u face value

Oh yeah so, Naberius created Egeria not accurate? Nibelung created the 3 Moons not accurate? Heavenly Principles being genderless is not accurate? Saarelainen being carved into seven pieces not accurate? Koitar and Seutervoinen there being not accurate?

Is kinda funny cause all this points can actually be found in texts narrated by omniscient authors

• Naberius creating Egeria
• Nibelung creating the 3 Moons
• Phanes don't having gender
• 3rd Descender divided by 7 (Sadly this one doesnt come from omniscient narrathor, but the info comes from Surta, i dont think think there is any reason for him lie about something so usless to Skirk)
• Voyager and her/his lover

Their authority comes from tradition

Tradition that can be wrong... Thats what Lauma tell us

 

[MSahla]

This is basically saying Venti is literally dying because of using the Authority of Time so often lmao

 

[MSahla]

Is kinda funny cause all this points can actually be found in texts narrated by omniscient authors

• Naberius creating Egeria
• Nibelung creating the 3 Moons
• Phanes don't having gender
• 3rd Descender divided by 7 (Sadly this one doesnt come from omniscient narrathor, but the info comes from Surta, i dont think think there is any reason for him lie about something so usless to Skirk)
• Voyager and her/his lover

I already know all that stuff, why are u even brought those things.

And how did you think those Hyperboreans knew all that? Naberius creating Egeria was never a common knowledge in the world, nor even about Phanes is genderless or Nibelung created the moons or how Saarelainen carved into 7 pieces by Phanes. those informations aren't a common knowledge that everybody knows, only people who really aware of the world knows that and if they told by the Angels.

 

[Le'garde273]

There are a lot of religions that work like this irl

It doesnt matter who wrotte it, it is stated than any book previous to Columbina's birth found in Hiishi island is innacurate, that includes Hymns

Man did u even read what i told u?
I said "Even if both books are written at the same time, one has been stated as outdated" NOT BOTH, NOT 0, BUT 1 AND THAT 1 IS THE ONE UR DEFENDING



Havent read those books, cant tell u anything (or at least i dont renember them)

Perinheri could had been pretty much pass down from tales of actual Khaenri'ahns. Arle didn't magically get info about her lineage. Khaenriah survivors (like Dain, Pierro, Capi) could had help with the creation of said book. But for now we dont really know how it was written, so mostly especulation

The problem isnt "no current person knows" the problem is ur straight up going against what game tells u face value


But she had all time to tell us about Nibelung war, the status of the Moons, Hyperborean lore and etc right?


I never said i only had beef with the first volumen, i stated multiple times i not believe anything coming from Hiishi Island just because they told us not to trust all in there

Hymns of the far norths is book from hyperboreans not hiisi island bruh✌
It's not really some random book they found given lauma context, it's compiled from generation to generation by priestess. The "oral" Tradition only refer to their frostmoon and it scions worshipping ritual, so that's why some old book relate to them are can be considered as flaw, far from the context that relate to hyperboreans, and most frostmoon scions itself didn't acknowledge of these deities nor they worship them except the frostmoon itself.

Hyperboreans worshipped all of them as their deity, while frostmoon (which hyperboreans fractions) scions believe in their frostmoon deity cause frostmoon goddess was th only one who protect them before she gone, call themself as "scions" In memory and honor of her.

It's totally wrong at first place to generalize all of them, while all of them only fraction long descendant of golden realm.

Like how you consider one book that tells you accurately about most of important figure as flaws.

We should nuke before sun and moon reliability cause it's written with accurate history and order that their ownself never seen by nigh-omniscient author.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

It literally just means he was about to journey through the sea of stars, you can even read the next sentence of it.

None of those ppl even comparable to those descendants of Hyperboreans.

So why did they write that he went because of the daughter of the stars?

How do you know that?

 

[MSahla]

So why did they write that he went because of the daughter of the stars?

Idk? You know well that genshin is always used flowery words

How do you know that?

Because the hyperboreans were told by the angels, the angels knows everything.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Idk? You know well that genshin is always used flowery words

Because the hyperboreans were told by the angels, the angels knows everything.

That doesn’t change that they wrote something wrong in their own book. This is an objective fact.

So did Nibelung tell the angels he was going into space to smash an alien? Why oh Earth would angels even know anything about Nibelung? This is even ignoring the fact that Inazumans were having tea with Makoto and talking to her yet still recorded history in incorrect ways. The Zhongli and his crew dwelt amongst the people during the archon war and yet there’s wrong history.

 

[MSahla]

That doesn’t change that they wrote something wrong in their own book. This is an objective fact.

Not really?

So did Nibelung tell the angels he was going into space to smash an alien? Why oh Earth would angels even know anything about Nibelung?

So we are forgetting the fact that the Angels were created by Heavenly Principles and basically all of the Angels are their daughters? Of course the Angels knows about their creator's secret

Koitar who was the First Angel knows everything about the world even the forbidden knowledge of the world.

No need that far, we literally have Nicole who knows the VERY FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, she could talk about the secret of the world for hours.

The Angels is like the narrator itself bro, they literally like the second most reliable sources after the narrator itself because they're the closest thing for us to get info about the Heavenly Principles.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Not really?


So we are forgetting the fact that the Angels were created by Heavenly Principles and basically all of the Angels are their daughters? Of course the Angels knows about their creator's secret

Koitar who was the First Angel knows everything about the world even the forbidden knowledge of the world.

No need that far, we literally have Nicole who knows the VERY FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, she could talk about the secret of the world for hours.

The Angels is like the narrator itself bro, they literally like the second most reliable sources after the narrator itself because they're the closest thing for us to get info about the Heavenly Principles.

Yes really. They wrote Nibelung did something for a girl in their book. This is wrong. There’s no real debate to be had on this topic.

They know what PO knows. That is not everything and it is not Nibelung’s motivations. Also do you think Makoto didn’t know what was going on with the times in her nation? Do you think Zhongli and the Adepti didn’t know? Do you think the people who witnessed the battles and what not didn’t have eyes?

I don’t know how many times I need to say this but the muddying of history is such an ever present theme in Genshin I’m baffled you can think any book in Genshin is 100% accurate without a direct statement from the devs or a reliable source. In Mondstadt, Liyue, Inazuma, Sumeru and Natlan, history is ALWAYS embellished and or lost. There are too many examples of this.

 

[MSahla]

Yes really. They wrote Nibelung did something for a girl in their book. This is wrong. There’s no real debate to be had on this topic.

It's just you who taken that too literally.

I’m baffles you can think any book in Genshin is 100% accurate without a direct statement. In Mondstadt, Liyue, Inazuma, Sumeru and Natlan, history is ALWAYS embellished and or lost. There are too many examples of this.

Those nations are nothing like Hyperborea who literally lived with the Angels around them, and even with the First Angel. And theres already direct statements of it.

Let's say that Nibelung one is the problem (even though it's not), you could only found one miss from that book and nothing else, lmao. The rest are completely Lore Accurate and we already know it.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

It's just you who taken that too literally.

Those nations are nothing like Hyperborea who literally lived with the Angels around them, and even with the First Angel. And theres already direct statements of it.

Let's say that Nibelung one is the problem (even though it's not), you could only found one miss from that book and nothing else, lmao. The rest are completely Lore Accurate and we already know it.

Lol so we can’t trust what the book says huh?

Are you serious? The people of Sumeru lived with Dehret and Rukkhadevata. The people of Liyue lived with Zhongli and the Adepti. The people of Inazuma lived with Ei and Makoto. The Pyro Archons and Och-Kan lived with the people yet their history is distorted.

Sahl if even one inaccuracy is found then it calls the whole text into question. I am not saying everything is wrong but that we shouldn’t assume these things are 100% true without some kind of evidence. My basic point is that the book like many other texts in Genshin shouldn’t be taken as 100% fact.

 

[MSahla]

Lol so we can’t trust what the book says huh?

Not like that, we just have to clock it what the hell are they trying to say, not just take it raw.

Are you serious? The people of Sumeru lived with Dehret and Rukkhadevata. The people of Liyue lived with Zhongli and the Adepti. The people of Inazuma lived with Ei and Makoto. The Pyro Archons and Och-Kan lived with the people yet their history is distorted.

even the Angels knows more than ANY Archons, btw.

Sahl if even one inaccuracy is found then it calls the whole text into question.

Tell me one single wrong from that Book beside of that Nibelung one you brought, go on. I'm not trying to admit that Nibelung one is wrong.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Not like that, we just have to clock it what the hell are they trying to say, not just take it raw.

even the Angels knows more than ANY Archons, btw.


Tell me one single wrong from that Book beside of that Nibelung one you brought, go on. I'm not trying to admit that Nibelung one is wrong.

So what makes you think all the other stuff in the book isn’t flowery language that we can’t take at face value?

Doesn’t change my point in the slightest. People have shown they can dwell with gods and get things wrong so why not with angels?

I don’t have to because my point is proven. There is an inaccuracy in the book so we know it is not 100% true. I already told you I’m not saying the whole book is wrong. I am saying that don’t treat it as 100% fact without evidence.

 

[MSahla]

So what makes you think all the other stuff in the book isn’t flowery language that we can’t take at face value?

Which one?

I don’t have to because my point is proven. There is an inaccuracy in the book so we know it is not 100% true. I already told you I’m not saying the whole book is wrong. I am saying that don’t treat it as 100% fact without evidence.

Oh yeah you have to, because you said before one wrong then the other stuff is wrong or questionable.
And what proven? None, and theres already other evidences that says the same thing or supporting it.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Which one?


Oh yeah you have to, because you said before one wrong then the other stuff is wrong or questionable.
And what proven? None, and theres already other evidences that says the same thing or supporting it.

Take Istaroth birthing herself for example.

Never said everything was wrong. I said questionable which it is. My evidence is that the bit about Nibelung was wrong so everything else shouldn’t be assumed to be fact.

Oh it wasn’t proven? So Sahl do you think Nibelung left Teyvat because he fell for an alien?

 

[MSahla]

Take Istaroth birthing herself for example.

That's not really questionable or even wrong.

Never said everything was wrong. I said questionable which it is. My evidence is that the bit about Nibelung was wrong so everything else shouldn’t be assumed to be fact.

One alleged error does not invalidate an entire source, So no, the hymns are not "questionable" just because one character or one part is debated.

This is like "I don’t like where this comes from, so it must be unreliable." which is ridiculous.

Oh it wasn’t proven? So Sahl do you think Nibelung left Teyvat because he fell for an alien?

No? Again, that context about Nibelung isn't about he wants to marry any woman.