Reality Quest - Downgrade Speed (Again)

[Pxnd_013]

Since there is an incorrect speed calculation on the Verse page, I have created this CGD

Sword user jump scares dowan
From this scan, it can be seen that the swordsman and Dowan have similar speeds; therefore, this calculation is not valid

Jihan blitzes and humbles dowan
From this scan, it can be observed that Jihan and Dowan have similar speeds; therefore, this calculation is not valid

Dowan blitzes with boosters ( Feat 5 )
From this scan, it can be seen that the bearded man is able to block the attacks of both Dowan and Eun-Sung (the gray-haired man). Even though Eun-Sung was not being serious, I believe that, at the very least, he should have speed comparable to Dowan in his Booster state

Additionally, the 0.0291 reaction time cannot be used. Under the current standards, the maximum applicable value is 0.08

Dowan ha throws 6 balls at a bum
There is nothing to confirm that all six attacks occurred within the same timeframe, as claimed by TheRustyOne in this calculation. Additionally, the 0.0291 perception reaction time cannot be used either

Dowan uses Falcon Revolve
It cannot be used for the same reasons as those outlined in this CGD

Agree :

Natural :

Disagree :

 

[CatLover313]

I was going to do this eventually after my CRT was accepted cuz I can’t do more than one crt for a verse at a time, but I agree to 1 and 2 no issues.

For the 3rd one, Booster is a speed enhancement skill and while the site gives it a 5x increase, technically, the artist statement does say the author says it’s way higher so any scene with booster outspeeding an opponent has no issues unless the scene/context has it being contradictory otherwise. Also, nothing says the beard man has speed comparable to the walking contradiction that is Eunsung who actively has better portrayals as the story continues. So I’d say only reduce the blitz timeframe to 0.08s and it’s good.

For the 4th one, not too sure about this. Maybe wait for Viott to comment on it.

For the 5th one; the reason the previous Falcon revolve feat (against sword guy) was rejected was because Dowan completely shifted his head from upwards to downwards, however, it looks like in yours, his head kind of stays the same motion. The only thing I would reduce is the distance his legs moves as he only needs to like move 180 (?) degrees to intervene in the punch. Dowans face turned around so it might be invalid too now that I’m looking at it again.

 

[Pettam33]

Since there is an incorrect speed calculation on the Verse page, I have created this CGD

Sword user jump scares dowan
From this scan, it can be seen that the swordsman and Dowan have similar speeds; therefore, this calculation is not valid.

I don't really care about this as it isn't really used if my knowledge is correct.

Jihan blitzes and humbles dowan
From this scan, it can be observed that Jihan and Dowan have similar speeds; therefore, this calculation is not valid

Same thing here, using the reason above.

Dowan blitzes with boosters ( Feat 5 )
From this scan, it can be seen that the bearded man is able to block the attacks of both Dowan and Eun-Sung (the gray-haired man). Even though Eun-Sung was not being serious, I believe that, at the very least, he should have speed comparable to Dowan in his Booster state.

Additionally, the 0.0291 reaction time cannot be used. Under the current standards, the maximum applicable value is 0.08

This is where I disagree. Extreme body users (like Jihan, Third growth Dowan, Seok, and Kang), are blatantly called superhumans, the bare minimum reaction time from superhumans is 0.08. I don't think we need to explain why it should be used here when we've gotten a statement that they are.

GB users can range (when born with it, they are naturally superior to regular humans, BOS Seok is a prime example of being stupidly strong since being birth, and not having to train). Dowan Pre-GB has a reaction time of 0.08 s (by proxy of being above other extreme body users like Jihan and Kang), (and GB being a clear cut amp above Extreme body especially for Dowan), coupled with the artist's statement saying he's even faster than booster, as well as Dowan saying he's never experienced something like it, should logically be enough of an indicator for 0.0291 second should be utilized.

Narratively, All GB users could be argued to have 0.0291s reaction time naturally, since the GB in lore, is a superhuman body objectively better than another superhuman body (being the extreme body). In fact, the entire purpose of the extreme body, is made in attempt (key word, in ATTEMPT) to RIVAL the GB. So I see no problems with it really.

Dowan ha throws 6 balls at a bum
There is nothing to confirm that all six attacks occurred within the same timeframe, as claimed by TheRustyOne in this calculation. Additionally, the 0.0291 perception reaction time cannot be used either

Dowan uses Falcon Revolve
It cannot be used for the same reasons as those outlined in this CGD

Wasn't the reason why this was rejected due to Dowan not performing a full 360? That's also been debunked in the latest chapters if that's the case.

EDIT: As for the jihan feat, sure, I guess it shouldn't be used. But, I don't think we'll even need it if my Gong calc gets accepted.

 

[Drite77]

This is where I disagree. Extreme body users (like Jihan, Third growth Dowan, Seok, and Kang), are blatantly called superhumans, the bare minimum reaction time from superhumans is 0.08. I don't think we need to explain why it should be used here when we've gotten a statement that they are.

GB users can range (when born with it, they are naturally superior to regular humans, BOS Seok is a prime example of being stupidly strong since being birth, and not having to train). Dowan Pre-GB has a reaction time of 0.08 s (by proxy of being above other extreme body users like Jihan and Kang), (and GB being a clear cut amp above Extreme body especially for Dowan), coupled with the artist's statement saying he's even faster than booster, as well as Dowan saying he's never experienced something like it, should logically be enough of an indicator for 0.0291 second should be utilized.

Narratively, All GB users could be argued to have 0.0291s reaction time naturally, since the GB in lore, is a superhuman body objectively better than another superhuman body (being the extreme body). In fact, the entire purpose of the extreme body, is made in attempt (key word, in ATTEMPT) to RIVAL the GB. So I see no problems with it really.

The maximum allowed timeframe is 0.08 seconds, so no, the 0.291s would not be used

Regardless, I'll, once again, say that you guys should be carefull with these wanked speed feats, one of the reasons Tokyo Revengers was banned from this wiki was because of how inflated the calcs were, it wasn't the sole reason, but it contributed to it.

If all of what OP said is correct, then the calcs should go, yes

 

[CatLover313]

The maximum allowed timeframe is 0.08 seconds, so no, the 0.291s would not be used

Regardless, I'll, once again, say that you guys should be carefull with these wanked speed feats, one of the reasons Tokyo Revengers was banned from this wiki was because of how inflated the calcs were, it wasn't the sole reason, but it contributed to it.

If all of what OP said is correct, then the calcs should go, yes

1 and 2 def have issues with the context, I was surprised it got accepted. I won’t comment on feat 4, Viott might comment on his own calc.

For feat 3, besides the timeframe reducing to 0.08 seconds because it’s an old calc and there was a rampant usage of 0.0291 seconds for stuff back then, it should be good just changing it to 0.08s for a blitz, as there’s no relativity between him using his speed boost skill and the opponent. Feel like it shouldn’t be too looked down upon for these old calcs using 0.0291 seconds for blitz time frames as that’s just an issue of 1-3 years ago and a simple fix ain’t the worse to do.

For feat 5, it’s OP’s own calc and now that I’m looking at again, Dowans head does actually turn around when he uses the skill so it should actually be invalid too.

 

[Pettam33]

The maximum allowed timeframe is 0.08 seconds, so no, the 0.291s would not be used

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isn't the timeframe dependent on the CGM if there is enough grounds for it? (I usually utilize 0.08 seconds timeframe regardless.) Despite that, Pre - Gb Dowan can't logically be 0.08 s, and still be 0.08, POST GB. Great body is stated to be an objectively a better superhuman body. Either way, what we are petitioning for is that, the 0.00291 s timeframe, would only go towards GB Dowan, people = and NOT relative, and anyone above him (like Sunjae) Which is only two people so far in the verse.


IF so be the case that it can't be used, then I'll probably make a CRT as to why in a situation like this it should be possible so to avoid confusion, and I'll explain why. (I think it was inconclusive if I remember correctly. With the power being in the CGM's hands, so a rare case.)


Either way, I genuinely feel like we're just ignoring the fact that 'Extreme body' (Which is superhuman physiology) is stated to lesser than the 'GB' (which is also a superhuman physiology) one is simply in a greater realm of superhuman than the other, but saying both should have the 0.08 timeframe is just, confusing? (I'll explain below)

Regardless, I'll, once again, say that you guys should be careful with these wanked speed feats, one of the reasons Tokyo Revengers was banned from this wiki was because of how inflated the calcs were, it wasn't the sole reason, but it contributed to it.

Ngl, I can't even blame you for thinking this way, because we did used to use it whole lot, but that's changed. However, given the knowledge we have now, it's not impossible (in VERY specific calcs)... Otherwise, everything else should just use the 0.08 time frame.


Separate but similar topic: Won't this lead to issues, though? If even YOU agree to 'Y' character having the 0.08 second timeframe for their reaction speed can be utilized, and said 'Y' character gets blitzed by 'X', how can we use the same 0.08 seconds reaction/ perception as a blitz still? Especially if 'Y' character already has reaction speed of that tier? (This is why I said earlier that the 0.0291 second could still be used but would depends on the CGM's.)

If all of what OP said is correct, then the calcs should go, yes

I agree with cat lover in regards to this.

 

[CatLover313]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isn't the timeframe dependent on the CGM if there is enough grounds for it? (I usually utilize 0.08 seconds timeframe regardless.) Despite that, Pre - Gb Dowan can't logically be 0.08 s, and still be 0.08, POST GB. Great body is stated to be an objectively a better superhuman body. Either way, what we are petitioning for is that, the 0.00291 s timeframe, would only go towards GB Dowan, people = and NOT relative, and anyone above him (like Sunjae) Which is only two people so far in the verse.


IF so be the case that it can't be used, then I'll probably make a CRT as to why in a situation like this it should be possible so to avoid confusion, and I'll explain why. (I think it was inconclusive if I remember correctly. With the power being in the CGM's hands, so a rare case.)


Either way, I genuinely feel like we're just ignoring the fact that 'Extreme body' (Which is superhuman physiology) is stated to lesser than the 'GB' (which is also a superhuman physiology) one is simply in a greater realm of superhuman than the other, but saying both should have the 0.08 timeframe is just, confusing? (I'll explain below)


Ngl, I can't even blame you for thinking this way, because we did used to use it whole lot, but that's changed. However, given the knowledge we have now, it's not impossible (in VERY specific calcs)... Otherwise, everything else should just use the 0.08 time frame.


Separate but similar topic: Won't this lead to issues, though? If even YOU agree to 'Y' character having the 0.08 second timeframe for their reaction speed can be utilized, and said 'Y' character gets blitzed by 'X', how can we use the same 0.08 seconds reaction/ perception as a blitz still? Especially if 'Y' character already has reaction speed of that tier? (This is why I said earlier that the 0.0291 second could still be used but would depends on the CGM's.)


I agree with cat lover in regards to this.

Even if a character is stronger than a past version that already had 0.08 second timeframe for calculations, we still don’t give higher reaction times unless explicitly stated they have subsonic/supersonic reaction times (there might be some other nuances), but that’s generally it. 0.08 seconds is the highest superhuman timeframe available unless stated otherwise.

 

[Pettam33]

Even if a character is stronger than a past version that already had 0.08 second timeframe for calculations, we still don’t give higher reaction times unless explicitly stated they have subsonic/supersonic reaction times (there might be some other nuances), but that’s generally it. 0.08 seconds is the highest superhuman timeframe available unless stated otherwise.

Gonna have double check this one. For now, the baseline should be 0.08 seconds.

 

[CatLover313]

Gonna have double check this one. For now, the baseline should be 0.08 seconds.

Who knows, there might be an old calcs from like 2-5 years ago that ignored this but that’s what is generally how 0.08s and 0.0291s blitz works. Even 0.08s is saved for superhumans and peak humans are limited to 0.1s. The more recent ones I’ve seen for the verses I follow (generally low tiers), they only allow for 0.08s now with any higher requiring statements.

 

[Pettam33]

Who knows, there might be an old calcs from like 2-5 years ago that ignored this but that’s what is generally how 0.08s and 0.0291s blitz works. The more recent ones I’ve seen for the verses I follow (generally low tiers), they only allow for 0.08s now with any higher requiring statements.

Yeah, I actually saw a few mins ago the 0.0291 s time frame being used, with a CGM giving them the go-ahead, just to avoid going another tier above (superhuman), being 0.01 s instead. Right now, I desperately want my gong calc to get evaled.

 

[Pxnd_013]

For the 3rd one, Booster is a speed enhancement skill and while the site gives it a 5x increase, technically, the artist statement does say the author says it’s way higher so any scene with booster outspeeding an opponent has no issues unless the scene/context has it being contradictory otherwise. Also, nothing says the beard man has speed comparable to the walking contradiction that is Eunsung who actively has better portrayals as the story continues. So I’d say only reduce the blitz timeframe to 0.08s and it’s good.

Eun-sung was able to attack and restrain the red-haired man, even though the red-haired man was capable of reacting to Dowan’s Booster. Additionally, the bearded man was fast enough to intercept Eun-sung’s attack in time

The bearded man does not have speed superior to Dowan in his Booster state, but the gap between them should not be that large. Therefore, this calculation cannot be used

 

[Pxnd_013]

This is where I disagree. Extreme body users (like Jihan, Third growth Dowan, Seok, and Kang), are blatantly called superhumans, the bare minimum reaction time from superhumans is 0.08. I don't think we need to explain why it should be used here when we've gotten a statement that they are.

GB users can range (when born with it, they are naturally superior to regular humans, BOS Seok is a prime example of being stupidly strong since being birth, and not having to train). Dowan Pre-GB has a reaction time of 0.08 s (by proxy of being above other extreme body users like Jihan and Kang), (and GB being a clear cut amp above Extreme body especially for Dowan), coupled with the artist's statement saying he's even faster than booster, as well as Dowan saying he's never experienced something like it, should logically be enough of an indicator for 0.0291 second should be utilized.

Narratively, All GB users could be argued to have 0.0291s reaction time naturally, since the GB in lore, is a superhuman body objectively better than another superhuman body (being the extreme body). In fact, the entire purpose of the extreme body, is made in attempt (key word, in ATTEMPT) to RIVAL the GB. So I see no problems with it really.

As for the 0.0291 value, it is no longer applicable. The maximum usable value is only 0.08

Wasn't the reason why this was rejected due to Dowan not performing a full 360? That's also been debunked in the latest chapters if that's the case.

The old calculation cannot be used, because the white-haired man may have traveled a greater distance than the initial attack distance, since Dowan lowered his head and then moved his body upward. This calculation is similar in nature, so it is likewise invalid

 

[Pxnd_013]

If all of what OP said is correct, then the calcs should go, yes

Does that mean you agree with the CGD?

 

[CatLover313]

Eun-sung was able to attack and restrain the red-haired man, even though the red-haired man was capable of reacting to Dowan’s Booster. Additionally, the bearded man was fast enough to intercept Eun-sung’s attack in time

The blitz is more of concerning the Bearded Man who wasn't shown to be able to react plus red-haired man was actually noted in the story for having incredible reflexes so his reflexes is above the Bearded Man who doesn't have the same narrative. So Dowan WITH boosters just needs to blitz the Bearded Man which he does show here as he couldn't react at all. Bearded man also hasn't shown any relativity to Dowan with Booster speed and is a huge stretch to say he's relative to Eunsung who is basically always holding back as in Season 2, he is supposedly as strong as the other Bully HQ members who all could one shot this version of Dowan and the other villains. For the entire fight, all the Bearded Man does is just get beat up and to protect the red haired, he just covers him, no sort of relativity to Dowan with Boosters nor Eunsung who is HQ level.

 

[CatLover313]

Does that mean you agree with the CGD?

Dang, you ain't even going wait to let Viott discuss his own calc

 

[Pettam33]

As for the 0.0291 value, it is no longer applicable. The maximum usable value is only 0.08

The old calculation cannot be used, because the white-haired man may have traveled a greater distance than the initial attack distance, since Dowan lowered his head and then moved his body upward. This calculation is similar in nature, so it is likewise invalid

Photo of the general consensus by everyone within the group.

https://media.**********.net/attach...faa2d4d06b&=&format=webp&width=398&height=887

...I just want to clarify that I agree with the intent of this change overall. Using 0.029 seconds as a universal timeframe for blitzing is not something I’m inherently advocating for (especially within the verse, and even outside it), and I understand why they'd standardize the human reaction baseline is preferred in most cases.

That said, from what I understand. Above the OP explicitly allows deviations from standard reaction times when a character is meant to have superior reactions in canon, rather than because of a calculation. (We don't really have an issue here, BUT, we do have physiologies to work with instead of a specific character, other than the red haired guy, but he could be anywhere as he was an extreme body user bare minimum.) Regardless, this is where I believe GB Dowan (and characters above him) fall.

In RQ, like I stated before, Extreme Body users are already treated as superhuman, with a baseline reaction time of 0.08 s (We aren't in contention with this) due to being stated by Johnathon. GB users, however, are canonically stated to be superior (Also stated by Johnathon, I believe he even says in relations to the EB 'it's the next best thing.') Meaning Extreme body is automatically inferior to GB users in every way, which would include. reaction speed and perception (whichever). This is a direct statement within the verse.

Because of this, treating GB users as having the same reaction as Extreme Body users creates an inconsistency within the narrative of the story. If Extreme Body users qualify for a superhuman reaction standard, then GB users - Who are stated to be above them - Should fall into a higher superhuman reaction bracket (I don't see why this is contentious). Keeping them the same, is basically saying that Extreme body and the GB are equal in this department, when the Gb is just blatantly deemed superior.

Either, this line of argumentation automatically falls apart because. 1. Booster is an amp in all things speed related. Dowan Pre GB is universally agreed upon as having 0.08 seconds. 2. Post GB amp is stated to be faster (ALSO by Dowan, since he compares it to his previous selves), whilst also being COMPARED to booster by the artist (someone who suggested the booster idea), would have bare minimum equal to, or higher than 0.0291 s reaction times (This isn't debatable either. I know you know this.)

To be clear though, I am not really suggesting that all blitz calculations should use 0.0291 s, nor that all GB users automatically qualify without justification. What the original CRT by (delta) is claiming, is that specific characters, like GB Dowan, and characters explicitly equal to, or above him (Like Sunjae) should have said reaction times. Everyone below GB Dowan CURRENTLY, is being left at 0.08 s, at least until further notice. There could be more characters that scale to this, but I'm not here to argue that. GB Dowan should have this level of reaction time bare minimum due to the reasons I've listed above.

 

[CatLover313]

Photo of the general consensus by everyone within the group.

https://media.**********.net/attach...faa2d4d06b&=&format=webp&width=398&height=887

...I just want to clarify that I agree with the intent of this change overall. Using 0.029 seconds as a universal timeframe for blitzing is not something I’m inherently advocating for (especially within the verse, and even outside it), and I understand why they'd standardize the human reaction baseline is preferred in most cases.

That said, from what I understand. Above the OP explicitly allows deviations from standard reaction times when a character is meant to have superior reactions in canon, rather than because of a calculation. (We don't really have an issue here, BUT, we do have physiologies to work with instead of a specific character, other than the red haired guy, but he could be anywhere as he was an extreme body user bare minimum.) Regardless, this is where I believe GB Dowan (and characters above him) fall.

In RQ, like I stated before, Extreme Body users are already treated as superhuman, with a baseline reaction time of 0.08 s (We aren't in contention with this) due to being stated by Johnathon. GB users, however, are canonically stated to be superior (Also stated by Johnathon, I believe he even says in relations to the EB 'it's the next best thing.') Meaning Extreme body is automatically inferior to GB users in every way, which would include. reaction speed and perception (whichever). This is a direct statement within the verse.

Because of this, treating GB users as having the same reaction as Extreme Body users creates an inconsistency within the narrative of the story. If Extreme Body users qualify for a superhuman reaction standard, then GB users - Who are stated to be above them - Should fall into a higher superhuman reaction bracket (I don't see why this is contentious). Keeping them the same, is basically saying that Extreme body and the GB are equal in this department, when the Gb is just blatantly deemed superior.

Either, this line of argumentation automatically falls apart because. 1. Booster is an amp in all things speed related. Dowan Pre GB is universally agreed upon as having 0.08 seconds. 2. Post GB amp is stated to be faster (ALSO by Dowan, since he compares it to his previous selves), whilst also being COMPARED to booster by the artist (someone who suggested the booster idea), would have bare minimum equal to, or higher than 0.0291 s reaction times (This isn't debatable either. I know you know this.)

To be clear though, I am not really suggesting that all blitz calculations should use 0.0291 s, nor that all GB users automatically qualify without justification. What the original CRT by (delta) is claiming, is that specific characters, like GB Dowan, and characters explicitly equal to, or above him (Like Sunjae) should have said reaction times. Everyone below GB Dowan CURRENTLY, is being left at 0.08 s, at least until further notice. There could be more characters that scale to this, but I'm not here to argue that. GB Dowan should have this level of reaction time bare minimum due to the reasons I've listed above.

This reaction time thing for GB and EB doesn't seem to really have anything to do with the validation of these calculations as all of them are Season 1. As all of these calculations would still result in 0.08 seconds for blitz timeframes (for the calc's that use them). You can talk about 0.0291 seconds as a timeframe in the other RQ Thread.

 

[Pxnd_013]

The blitz is more of concerning the Bearded Man who wasn't shown to be able to react plus red-haired man was actually noted in the story for having incredible reflexes so his reflexes is above the Bearded Man who doesn't have the same narrative. So Dowan WITH boosters just needs to blitz the Bearded Man which he does show here as he couldn't react at all. Bearded man also hasn't shown any relativity to Dowan with Booster speed and is a huge stretch to say he's relative to Eunsung who is basically always holding back as in Season 2, he is supposedly as strong as the other Bully HQ members who all could one shot this version of Dowan and the other villains. For the entire fight, all the Bearded Man does is just get beat up and to protect the red haired, he just covers him, no sort of relativity to Dowan with Boosters nor Eunsung who is HQ level.

In my view, I have already demonstrated the scaling. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you; for me, it is fairly clear. Even if the bearded man does not have a direct statement like the red-haired man, that does not mean his reaction speed would be that slow. As for Eun-Sung’s strength, he consistently becomes stronger, which can be observed across multiple fights, and he himself stated that he intended to end the fight with that attack

 

[Pxnd_013]

Dang, you ain't even going wait to let Viott discuss his own calc

I only want to know CGM’s opinion for now. Viott can give their input later; I have no intention of closing the CGD before Viott comments, lol

 

[Pxnd_013]

Photo of the general consensus by everyone within the group.

https://media.**********.net/attach...faa2d4d06b&=&format=webp&width=398&height=887

...I just want to clarify that I agree with the intent of this change overall. Using 0.029 seconds as a universal timeframe for blitzing is not something I’m inherently advocating for (especially within the verse, and even outside it), and I understand why they'd standardize the human reaction baseline is preferred in most cases.

That said, from what I understand. Above the OP explicitly allows deviations from standard reaction times when a character is meant to have superior reactions in canon, rather than because of a calculation. (We don't really have an issue here, BUT, we do have physiologies to work with instead of a specific character, other than the red haired guy, but he could be anywhere as he was an extreme body user bare minimum.) Regardless, this is where I believe GB Dowan (and characters above him) fall.

In RQ, like I stated before, Extreme Body users are already treated as superhuman, with a baseline reaction time of 0.08 s (We aren't in contention with this) due to being stated by Johnathon. GB users, however, are canonically stated to be superior (Also stated by Johnathon, I believe he even says in relations to the EB 'it's the next best thing.') Meaning Extreme body is automatically inferior to GB users in every way, which would include. reaction speed and perception (whichever). This is a direct statement within the verse.

Because of this, treating GB users as having the same reaction as Extreme Body users creates an inconsistency within the narrative of the story. If Extreme Body users qualify for a superhuman reaction standard, then GB users - Who are stated to be above them - Should fall into a higher superhuman reaction bracket (I don't see why this is contentious). Keeping them the same, is basically saying that Extreme body and the GB are equal in this department, when the Gb is just blatantly deemed superior.

Either, this line of argumentation automatically falls apart because. 1. Booster is an amp in all things speed related. Dowan Pre GB is universally agreed upon as having 0.08 seconds. 2. Post GB amp is stated to be faster (ALSO by Dowan, since he compares it to his previous selves), whilst also being COMPARED to booster by the artist (someone who suggested the booster idea), would have bare minimum equal to, or higher than 0.0291 s reaction times (This isn't debatable either. I know you know this.)

To be clear though, I am not really suggesting that all blitz calculations should use 0.0291 s, nor that all GB users automatically qualify without justification. What the original CRT by (delta) is claiming, is that specific characters, like GB Dowan, and characters explicitly equal to, or above him (Like Sunjae) should have said reaction times. Everyone below GB Dowan CURRENTLY, is being left at 0.08 s, at least until further notice. There could be more characters that scale to this, but I'm not here to argue that. GB Dowan should have this level of reaction time bare minimum due to the reasons I've listed above.

I share the same opinion as CatLover

 

[CatLover313]

In my view, I have already demonstrated the scaling. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you; for me, it is fairly clear. Even if the bearded man does not have a direct statement like the red-haired man, that does not mean his reaction speed would be that slow. As for Eun-Sung’s strength, he consistently becomes stronger, which can be observed across multiple fights, and he himself stated that he intended to end the fight with that attack

Alright, I'll at least put the whole fight before the Feat being done as afterwards, it gets interrupted and the fight ends quickly after the scene anyway.

If all of what OP said is correct, then the calcs should go, yes

Here is the Eunsung and Dowan vs 2 Reps Chapter on Imgur (Excluded any flashback interruptions; but the chapter is Chapter 93 for verification). I may take back the Eunsung statement as while I do believe he is holding back, in this fight, he does show to put effort and struggle. Though there actually isn't any correlation between this version of Dowan with Boosters and this version of Eunsung from my knowledge.

However, the scene justification is about Dowan using his Speed Boost skill to blitz behind the Beard Man anyway and whether the context justifies the feat. Also, just a brief little detail, Dowan cannot use other skills like the "Multi-strike Destruction" at the end of the chapter paired with his Booster skill so when he uses the latter skill, his Speed Boost skill was already no longer used. I'll also leave it up for CGM to see the third feat is good.

 

[Pettam33]

This reaction time thing for GB and EB doesn't seem to really have anything to do with the validation of these calculations as all of them are Season 1. As all of these calculations would still result in 0.08 seconds for blitz timeframes (for the calc's that use them). You can talk about 0.0291 seconds as a timeframe in the other RQ Thread.

Alright.

 

[Pettam33]

I share the same opinion as CatLover

Ok.

 

[DeltaStriker22]

The OP makes sense... I agree.
Aside from the 'he should have speed comparable to Dowan in his Booster state' part.
The vice-rep does not scale to Dowan with boosters.

 

[Pettam33]

I share the same opinion as CatLover

In hindsight I am iffy on Dowan dodging the bearded dodging feat... I think I'll agree with it being 0.08 seconds as well.

 

[CatLover313]

Ultimately, if the third feat is deemed invalid, I’ll be fine with the results. It would’ve been a supporting calc anyway after being reduced to 0.08s and likely not effect any scaling.

 

[Pettam33]

Ultimately, if the third feat is deemed invalid, I’ll be fine with the results. It would’ve been a supporting calc anyway after being reduced to 0.08s and likely not effect any scaling.

I'd like to make sure of something here... For the 5th feat. The 0.0291 time frame, is it for the bearded guy?

 

[CatLover313]

I'd like to make sure of something here... For the 5th feat. The 0.0291 time frame, is it for the bearded guy?

You mean 3rd? But yeah, for the beard guy, I believe he got genuinely blitz by Dowan when he used Booster. Just need to change it to 0.08s as 0.0291s is no longer usable in recent times.

 

[BlackCat]

From my perspective, any calculation where Dowan uses the Booster skill can still be kept, because it’s an ability that allows him to become faster than his opponent for a short period of time. However, the issue seems to be that the timeframe used is still the old one, 0.0291.

So overall, for me, I agree with removing it from the verse page—except for the first calculation, which I think is still valid, because he used Booster to dodge the sword and the timeframe is not a problem at all, since it uses 0.08 instead of 0.0291.

 

[Pxnd_013]

From my perspective, any calculation where Dowan uses the Booster skill can still be kept, because it’s an ability that allows him to become faster than his opponent for a short period of time. However, the issue seems to be that the timeframe used is still the old one, 0.0291.

So overall, for me, I agree with removing it from the verse page—except for the first calculation, which I think is still valid, because he used Booster to dodge the sword and the timeframe is not a problem at all, since it uses 0.08 instead of 0.0291.

That calculation refers to the speed of the swordsman, not dowan’s speed

 

[Viott]

Dowan ha throws 6 balls at a bum
There is nothing to confirm that all six attacks occurred within the same timeframe, as claimed by TheRustyOne in this calculation. Additionally, the 0.0291 perception reaction time cannot be used either

I agree that 0.0291 should not be used for the timeframe. However, after the balls are launched, the man can’t even react. This means it surpasses his perception. Therefore, 0.08 seconds should be used.

 

[Pxnd_013]

I agree that 0.0291 should not be used for the timeframe. However, after the balls are launched, the man can’t even react. This means it surpasses his perception. Therefore, 0.08 seconds should be used.

Attacks of this nature can only be calculated based on the first strike. This is because, in general, once a human is hit by the initial attack, it becomes difficult for them to properly react to subsequent attacks. The first hit causes loss of balance and destabilization, which compromises further reactions.

CGM has explained multiple times that feats of this kind are not valid for calculation
Examples include: 1, 2, 3

 

[Viott]

Attacks of this nature can only be calculated based on the first strike. This is because, in general, once a human is hit by the initial attack, it becomes difficult for them to properly react to subsequent attacks. The first hit causes loss of balance and destabilization, which compromises further reactions.

CGM has explained multiple times that feats of this kind are not valid for calculation
Examples include: 1, 2, 3

This feat is a bit different from the others. After Dowan throws the six balls, the man attacking with an axe can’t even react. If it hadn’t surpassed his perception, the axe-wielding man could have reacted after the first ball was thrown. He could have defended himself or escaped. After the six balls are thrown, the axe-wielding man falls to the ground.

 

[Pxnd_013]

This feat is a bit different from the others. After Dowan throws the six balls, the man attacking with an axe can’t even react. If it hadn’t surpassed his perception, the axe-wielding man could have reacted after the first ball was thrown. He could have defended himself or escaped. After the six balls are thrown, the axe-wielding man falls to the ground.

This is clearly the same case if you look at other calculation feats, because it involves multiple consecutive attacks that were all interpreted as blitzes. However, as TheRustyOne pointed out:
“Where does it say every punch blitzed this person? At best the first punch is a blitz, while the others are equal to the first punch.”

Therefore, even if the initial attack can be considered a blitz, there is nothing that confirms the subsequent attacks were also blitzes in the same manner as the first one

 

[Viott]

This is clearly the same case if you look at other calculation feats, because it involves multiple consecutive attacks that were all interpreted as blitzes. However, as TheRustyOne pointed out:
“Where does it say every punch blitzed this person? At best the first punch is a blitz, while the others are equal to the first punch.”

Therefore, even if the initial attack can be considered a blitz, there is nothing that confirms the subsequent attacks were also blitzes in the same manner as the first one

I don’t agree with this. However, since this isn’t a good feat, I won’t unnecessarily drag it out.


The only thing I agree with here is that the calculation should be removed.

 

[BlackCat]

That calculation refers to the speed of the swordsman, not dowan’s speed

Okay, I understand now. It seems I misunderstood, so I agree to have all of it removed.

 

[CatLover313]

Seems like Viott's fine with removing the fourth feat due to it not being a good feat. I also do agree it's definitely different compared to others as it's a projectile throwing feat so the distance might be a bit fine but if he doesn't care, I won't argue for it either.

I still believe context wise, third feat is good but won't argue too much either because it's not a good feat either. Ig time to just wait for CGM judgement

 

[CatLover313]

Bump

 

[DeltaStriker22]

bump

 

[Pxnd_013]

Bump