What is the Soul by our standards?

[AlexSamDen]

So this is a question that comes from a verse I encountered. There living beings have a lot of described aspects of a being (those include aspects that are stated to: hold the immaterial consciousness of a person, be the very essence of their lives or be the collection of their spiritual energy. Others are straight up Metaphysical Aspects), but none of those are called "Soul" (instead they are called Spiritual Body, Astral Body, etc.).

That brings up the question: what of those should be considered a "Soul" by our standards? And do we have any?
Because if it's none, then it'll completely exclude the characters from, for example, Mid-Godly or above regeneration, despite having all things needed for multiple-aspect High-Godly except the soul, which honestly sounds wrong

 

[MSahla]

A “soul” is whatever fulfills the roles of identity, consciousness, and life beyond mere physical matter. I mean, i thought 'Spirit' and 'Soul' are kinda the same thing.

 

[AlexSamDen]

A “soul” is whatever fulfills the roles of identity, consciousness, and life beyond mere physical matter. I mean, i thought 'Spirit' and 'Soul' are kinda the same thing.

It's just that the page for Soul Manipulation doesn't provide any description and the Metaphysical Aspects page, for example, separates Mind and Soul as two separate aspects

The term Metaphysical Aspects refers to aspects of existence which are not part of the physical world, or spiritual aspects like mind or soul, but define or govern the world from the background.

This leads me to believe that we have some kind of standards for it and they just aren't published

 

[Mr. Bambu]

A “soul” is whatever fulfills the roles of identity, consciousness, and life beyond mere physical matter. I mean, i thought 'Spirit' and 'Soul' are kinda the same thing.

This is basically correct, though it is worth noting the distinction from the mind, which is the processes of the brain. The soul is the immaterial animating thing that inhabits the body. All of this is to say, the term "soul" on the wiki is identical to the generic term used abroad. Our definition does not substantially differ from it.

 

[AlexSamDen]

This is basically correct, though it is worth noting the distinction from the mind, which is the processes of the brain. The soul is the immaterial animating thing that inhabits the body. All of this is to say, the term "soul" on the wiki is identical to the generic term used abroad. Our definition does not substantially differ from it.

So which of the examples I provided got the description most? Also kinda confused what is the definition of "the generic term used abroad" since I've found several definitions of this asoects

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Truthfully, I don't understand what you're getting at with the regen bit. Could you elaborate on your examples a bit?

 

[AlexSamDen]

Truthfully, I don't understand what you're getting at with the regen bit. Could you elaborate on your examples a bit?

The regen part is pretty much irrelevant and is just there to show that not having a definition for a soul can lead to some counterintuitive interaction with our system in some situations

The examples are pretty simple. The "Immaterial aspects" of a being (with the names "Spiritual Body", "Astral Body" and so on, just without the mention of "Soul") are each responsible for different things, descriptions include such things as:
1) Holding the immaterial consciousness of a person,
2) Be the very essence of a person's life
3) Be the collection of their Spiritual Energy
4) Other examples include straight Metaphysical Aspects (CM, IM2), so I won't include them

So my question is: which one is the Soul

 

[Arkenis]

Did you check the raws?

Way I see it that's aspects of the soul. Spiritual Body is maybe the housing of it, Astral body is a way to move without their physical body, potentially a mental aspect. You gotta give more info tbh, otherwise we don't know how the verse is treating the soul if it's this sort of layered existence like one's identity -> concept of their identity -> the source which it comes from bs. I think Maou Gakuin has a similar thing. So you should just make a blog with all important descriptions so you and us can better understand.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I should note on the verse-to-verse basis, this is something that would fall under verse equalization. If one verse has the concept of "spiritual energy", and that constitutes the soul, then interactions with soul manip from another verse would necessarily affect that. These are all sort of generic terms and phrases. The "essence of someone's life" is, functionally, the same thing as "the collection of their spiritual energy", the only difference is what a verse holds those things to mean. Soul is a generic term.

 

[AlexSamDen]

I should note on the verse-to-verse basis, this is something that would fall under verse equalization. If one verse has the concept of "spiritual energy", and that constitutes the soul, then interactions with soul manip from another verse would necessarily affect that. These are all sort of generic terms and phrases. The "essence of someone's life" is, functionally, the same thing as "the collection of their spiritual energy", the only difference is what a verse holds those things to mean. Soul is a generic term.

So basically, Soul can be anything as long as it fits the general idea?


Also, what about an opposite situation (got interested in the topic)? The verse does name some aspect a Soul, however from its description it actually is a Metaphysical Aspect (which we separate from Souls), do we consider it to not be the Soul in our sense?

 

[Berga14]

The verse does name some aspect a Soul, however from its description it actually is a Metaphysical Aspect

Soul is a generic term.

Simply the soul in Tensura is both the soul and the conceptual self.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Simply the soul in Tensura is both the soul and the conceptual self.

I'm not asking specifically about it, I'm asking a more general question

 

[Berga14]

I'm not asking specifically about it, I'm asking a more general question

Yeah but you pretty much implied that. Anyway, i'm answering just bc i asked a similar thing a long time ago. There is no problem with the soul being 2 things at once.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Yeah but you pretty much implied that. Anyway, i'm answering just bc i asked a similar thing a long time ago. There is no problem with the soul being 2 things at once.

I'm literally asking a general question. I got rather interested in the overall topic and not just one specific application

 

[Lycoris4812]

Also, what about an opposite situation (got interested in the topic)? The verse does name some aspect a Soul, however from its description it actually is a Metaphysical Aspect (which we separate from Souls), do we consider it to not be the Soul in our sense?

Yeah, the soul itself can be a metaphysical aspect.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So basically, Soul can be anything as long as it fits the general idea?


Also, what about an opposite situation (got interested in the topic)? The verse does name some aspect a Soul, however from its description it actually is a Metaphysical Aspect (which we separate from Souls), do we consider it to not be the Soul in our sense?

Yes, the soul can be a metaphysical aspect (beyond what is already listed as "soul manip", for our purposes; the soul is already metaphysical, by definition, but I understand you're intending to mean that this verse then goes on to attribute it to other metaphysical aspects as well). Soul manip from other verses would not be equalized to affect something that spills into more abilities per our understanding of them.

By this, I mean to say that if your soul is stated to be Conceptual in nature, generic Soul Manip from some other verse wouldn't affect it, they'd need Concept Manip, for example.