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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Yeah, but multiplying your power by a finite amount does not let you pass from High 3-A to Low 2-C nor above by definition of the latter's tier. And, well, same applies any 2 different amounts of separated spacetimes as the Tiering System is rn.

So, if you try purposing "Dragon Ball 50x multiplier makes you pass from High 3-A to 2-C"/"Dragon Ball 50x multiplier makes you pass from 3 universes in 2-C to 150 universes in 2-C", you'd end up either making the SSJ forms multiplier not being accepted, or make the universes not accepted to be Low 2-C given it is not necessary to have power "uncountable infinitely greater" than last tiers. Assuming your purposal is accepted
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Yeah, but multiplying your power by a finite amount does not let you pass from High 3-A to Low 2-C nor above by definition of the latter's tier. And, well, same applies any 2 different amounts of separated spacetimes as the Tiering System is rn.

So, if you try purposing "Dragon Ball 50x multiplier makes you pass from High 3-A to 2-C"/"Dragon Ball 50x multiplier makes you pass from 3 universes in 2-C to 150 universes in 2-C", you'd end up either making the SSJ forms multiplier not being accepted, or make the universes not accepted to be Low 2-C given it is not necessary to have power "uncountable infinitely greater" than last tiers. Assuming your purposal is accepted
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Isn't uncountable infinite difference gives Low-1c? Also why it would be not accepted, since it was clearly stated and that applies to PL, that are not consistent in power gaps, but for transformations they are +- consistent in terms of power ups, so such multipliers can give you such amps you can multiply universes.
 
Everyone agreed that Super Shenron would be upgraded to Low 1-C through wish granting, with something added to his weaknesses — specifically, that his power doesn’t include Zeno.
But, as usual, the moderator closed the thread without permission or any valid reason for rejection.

When it comes to Dragon Ball, evidence suddenly stops being considered “evidence.”
At least five or six people agreed that Super Shenron deserves the Low 1-C rating through wish granting — so why wasn’t this accepted, at least for him, while only the Grand Priest was rejected?
Or at the very least, why didn’t the moderator explain their objection, when six or more users had already agreed?
So apparently, we all just “don’t understand,” and only the staff do.

_ Did Super Shenron ever fail to grant something? No.

Zeno himself stated that Super Shenron can grant anything, and even if you claim Zeno is just a child, both the Grand Priest, Whis, Champa, and others also confirmed this.
So what now? I already said it doesn’t include Zeno, but aside from that, he can do anything.
And yet, despite all this, the decision was still unfair — and in the end, they’ll just say you “don’t understand” and that they’re the ones who are right, even though more than six people agreed on this.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Everyone agreed that Super Shenron would be upgraded to Low 1-C through wish granting, with something added to his weaknesses — specifically, that his power doesn’t include Zeno.
But, as usual, the moderator closed the thread without permission or any valid reason for rejection.

When it comes to Dragon Ball, evidence suddenly stops being considered “evidence.”
At least five or six people agreed that Super Shenron deserves the Low 1-C rating through wish granting — so why wasn’t this accepted, at least for him, while only the Grand Priest was rejected?
Or at the very least, why didn’t the moderator explain their objection, when six or more users had already agreed?
So apparently, we all just “don’t understand,” and only the staff do.

_ Did Super Shenron ever fail to grant something? No.

Zeno himself stated that Super Shenron can grant anything, and even if you claim Zeno is just a child, both the Grand Priest, Whis, Champa, and others also confirmed this.
So what now? I already said it doesn’t include Zeno, but aside from that, he can do anything.
And yet, despite all this, the decision was still unfair — and in the end, they’ll just say you “don’t understand” and that they’re the ones who are right, even though more than six people agreed on this.
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Please list "everyone"
 
Mgebrat282 said:
Isn't uncountable infinite difference gives Low-1c?
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An uncountable infinite number of 4D spaces would give you a 5D space. No finite or standard infinite multiplication would give you an Aleph-1 amount of something.
Azertyhuuh said:
So apparently, we all just “don’t understand,” and only the staff do.
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It's not that. Per the rules, staff votes in a CRT is what determines if it passes or not. If it was by pure numbers, just botting or raiding a thread would be enough to upgrade or downgrade anyone.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Everyone agreed that Super Shenron would be upgraded to Low 1-C through wish granting, with something added to his weaknesses — specifically, that his power doesn’t include Zeno.
But, as usual, the moderator closed the thread without permission or any valid reason for rejection.

When it comes to Dragon Ball, evidence suddenly stops being considered “evidence.”
At least five or six people agreed that Super Shenron deserves the Low 1-C rating through wish granting — so why wasn’t this accepted, at least for him, while only the Grand Priest was rejected?
Or at the very least, why didn’t the moderator explain their objection, when six or more users had already agreed?
So apparently, we all just “don’t understand,” and only the staff do.

_ Did Super Shenron ever fail to grant something? No.

Zeno himself stated that Super Shenron can grant anything, and even if you claim Zeno is just a child, both the Grand Priest, Whis, Champa, and others also confirmed this.
So what now? I already said it doesn’t include Zeno, but aside from that, he can do anything.
And yet, despite all this, the decision was still unfair — and in the end, they’ll just say you “don’t understand” and that they’re the ones who are right, even though more than six people agreed on this.
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If you have disagreements with how the website work, you can go ahead suggest changes in staff thread.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
An uncountable infinite number of 4D spaces would give you a 5D space. No finite or standard infinite multiplication would give you an Aleph-1 amount of something.
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I said that uncountable infinite difference for 4D space gives 5D, am I not right? And I know difference between infinity and uncountable infinity.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Everyone agreed that Super Shenron would be upgraded to Low 1-C through wish granting, with something added to his weaknesses — specifically, that his power doesn’t include Zeno.
But, as usual, the moderator closed the thread without permission or any valid reason for rejection.

When it comes to Dragon Ball, evidence suddenly stops being considered “evidence.”
At least five or six people agreed that Super Shenron deserves the Low 1-C rating through wish granting — so why wasn’t this accepted, at least for him, while only the Grand Priest was rejected?
Or at the very least, why didn’t the moderator explain their objection, when six or more users had already agreed?
So apparently, we all just “don’t understand,” and only the staff do.

_ Did Super Shenron ever fail to grant something? No.

Zeno himself stated that Super Shenron can grant anything, and even if you claim Zeno is just a child, both the Grand Priest, Whis, Champa, and others also confirmed this.
So what now? I already said it doesn’t include Zeno, but aside from that, he can do anything.
And yet, despite all this, the decision was still unfair — and in the end, they’ll just say you “don’t understand” and that they’re the ones who are right, even though more than six people agreed on this.
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"EVERYONE" agreed to low 1-C SS, huh? Are we reading same thread?

1 lowkey agree without specifying what exactly
2 agree for POSSIBLY Low 1-C
7 DISAGREES (3 of them are mods)

In your OP you made section for agreements, disagreements, neutrals and you didn't even cared much enough to list people and their votes so...
 
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INCON GRACE [3-0-4] - Xeno Broly vs Toei Vegito

Fight is at a minecraft superflat bedrock-only seed (they're players, so indestructible ground) Speed is equal, to make things easier Xeno Broly is at his first key Broly starts at SSJ3 They start 4m apart Xeno Broly: @Mickey1940, @Nonynho, @Jackythejack Toei Vegito: Incon: @Drite77...
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GRACE [0-7-0] Let future Trunks check this out - Manga Gohan vs. Toei Freeza

Post research: If we want them to be in the same realm, Toei would be represented by 3rd form Freeza (Frieza - Garlic Jr. Saga) and Manga would be represented by either Perfect Cell Saga Base Gohan or 50% of SSJ1 Goku Why those specifically? Simple. According to this 23900 Quettatons = 1 Foe...
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Those just need some votes

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GRACE [7-2-0] Goku (GT) vs Goku (Super Manga)

Welp, this'll leave my counsciousness in peace just by existing, even if people ignore it again. [/QUOTE] Do the math, both the same value x 2-C [/SPOILER] GT - 7 (@RedReaper616, @Nonynho, @Anonymous_Learner, @Supersonicmaker, @YuseiDragon1, @AppleMaker, @Muteki616) Manga - 2 (@Mickey1940...
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This one could use one or two more voices before just needing votes
 
Imma just gonna say, the whole point of discussion threads like this is to discuss and try to figure out problems together (regardless if there are agreements or disagreements, which is perfectly healthy). Also just have fun sharing your own mutual passion for franchises we enjoy while making future plans (upgrades, downgrades, updates, etc).

And if there are still confusion or misunderstandings, well that's why we've got Q&A threads to attempt to alleviate the issues.

I've seen so many users that deep down mean well but only ended making things more difficult for verse supporters by refusing to discuss their CRTs, keeping intentions bottled up and even coming across (usually unintentionally) as knowing better than supporters that have put hours, days, weeks, etc of their lives into revising profiles, getting translations, finding renders and more.
Huesito88 said:
Explain here first (Just in case it isn't good and it won't add to the potential rule discussion count)
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Make thoughts exactly, it doesn't even have to be discuss here (off-site or on DMs work too).
 
Huesito88 said:
Explain here first (Just in case it isn't good and it won't add to the potential rule discussion count)
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Well, suppresed Jiren was stated to be above any opponent Goku and co. has encountered before(which logicaly would include Infinite Zamasu) by Kaioshin and Whis agrees with this. The same thing was stated by narrator in several episode, producer Hiroyuka Sakurada, Goku(he states he never felt the energy so strong before, which would include Infinite Zamasu), Shonen Jump(DB史上最強の敵に - Strongest enemy in DB history), promotion material("「力の大会」の激しい戦いの中、 最強の敵に立ち 向かうべく、今まさに新たな境地に目覚めよう とする悟空の姿です!" - "In the fierce battle of the "Tournament of Power", Goku is about to awaken to a new state in order to face the strongest enemy!"), and one episode title("The ultimate enemy"). And that's pretty consistent and narrativly logical, since Jiren's power was hyped for an entire ToP arc by being enourmous in comparison to anything(except Zen-o, his guardiand and angels) and being an entirely new lvl.
Note: All of this is based of pure scans I have, I'm currently trying to get my imgure unbanned or get an alternative site to post scans here.
 
Mgebrat282 said:
Well, suppresed Jiren was stated to be above any opponent Goku and co. has encountered before(which logicaly would include Infinite Zamasu) by Kaioshin and Whis agrees with this. The same thing was stated by narrator in several episode, producer Hiroyuka Sakurada, Goku(he states he never felt the energy so strong before, which would include Infinite Zamasu), Shonen Jump(DB史上最強の敵に - Strongest enemy in DB history), promotion material("「力の大会」の激しい戦いの中、 最強の敵に立ち 向かうべく、今まさに新たな境地に目覚めよう とする悟空の姿です!" - "In the fierce battle of the "Tournament of Power", Goku is about to awaken to a new state in order to face the strongest enemy!"), and one episode title("The ultimate enemy"). And that's pretty consistent and narrativly logical, since Jiren's power was hyped for an entire ToP arc by being enourmous in comparison to anything(except Zen-o, his guardiand and angels) and being an entirely new lvl.
Note: All of this is based of pure scans I have, I'm currently trying to get my imgure unbanned or get an alternative site to post scans here.
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Do we have any proofs that Infinite Zamasu had AP equal or higher to fused Zamasu? My interpretation was always that only immortal Zamasu's soul merged with universe (that's why we could see his face) and his AP didn't changed. Just range and durability. That would put Jiren above Fused Zamasu, which is more logical
 
Ultimuru said:
Do we have any proofs that Infinite Zamasu had AP equal or higher to fused Zamasu? My interpretation was always that only immortal Zamasu's soul merged with universe (that's why we could see his face) and his AP didn't changed. Just range and durability. That would put Jiren above Fused Zamasu, which is more logical
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Well, since he merged with an entire timeline(original Future Trunks's timeline) and his energy was feeled even in other timelines(current DBS timeline), he should have got a pretty good power-up(based on size and energy output alone)
 
I just checked both profiles. Infinite Zamasu's 2-C scales to 3 universes, Jiren "base" key scales to 6 universes. So, yeah, whether he scales to Fused Zamasu or Infinite Zamasu is meaningless right now.

You could, I guess, support that Jiren scales to Infinite Zamasu given his power shocked Beerus yet Infinite Zamasu's power didn't. But again, it'd be meaningless given Jiren scales to more universes than IZ, and just one single universe more in 2-C is enough to oneshot rn
 
Mgebrat282 said:
Well, suppresed Jiren was stated to be above any opponent Goku and co. has encountered before(which logicaly would include Infinite Zamasu) by Kaioshin and Whis agrees with this. The same thing was stated by narrator in several episode, producer Hiroyuka Sakurada, Goku(he states he never felt the energy so strong before, which would include Infinite Zamasu), Shonen Jump(DB史上最強の敵に - Strongest enemy in DB history), promotion material("「力の大会」の激しい戦いの中、 最強の敵に立ち 向かうべく、今まさに新たな境地に目覚めよう とする悟空の姿です!" - "In the fierce battle of the "Tournament of Power", Goku is about to awaken to a new state in order to face the strongest enemy!"), and one episode title("The ultimate enemy"). And that's pretty consistent and narrativly logical, since Jiren's power was hyped for an entire ToP arc by being enourmous in comparison to anything(except Zen-o, his guardiand and angels) and being an entirely new lvl.
Note: All of this is based of pure scans I have, I'm currently trying to get my imgure unbanned or get an alternative site to post scans here.
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Jiren never fought Zamasu so that statement is kinda Faulty he's stated to be above Zamasu Before he began his merging with the timeline or universe whatever.
 
That doesn't make sense, why would him not specifically fighting Zamasu is required? Jiren didn't fight buu either so is he weaker than him?
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Jiren already scales to Fused Zamasu. And, well, even scaling him to Infinite Zamasu won't do much given Zamasu never reached the Low 1-C tier on the work, reason why its tiering is "will eventually become Low 1-C"
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Why Infinite Zamasu isn't Low 1-C at the moment of his destruction? He merged with his timeline, which is 5-D(for now) and started assumilating with other timelines.
 
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