Tier-0 GGZ Yog-Sothoth Downgrade: Logical Problem With Tao

[AlipheeseXIV]

I'm not a supporter of the verse (I don't even know anything about it lol) I checked the thread purely out of curiosity.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Doesn't change the fact that he brought up a good point that I haven't seen anyone address yet, you were the one who just said to actually respond to arguments were you not? I brought it up because I hadn't seen anyone say anything against him.

His “good points” are related to the Dao Sutra, which I am going to repeat one more time because you do not seem to read the thread messages. It is not meant literally, and it is contradicted in Yog’s final Kizuna.

This statement is useless.



Both descriptions are not meant to be taken literally. They are simply meant to show how normal human beings interpret the forbidden knowledge they obtain through Yog, filtered through different schools of thought that vary across cultures.

Yog’s “true form” resides in the white void (Heaven), where she is just another goddess of the Babylon Academy within the Cthulhu branch.



Even Nyarlathotep can access Yog’s domain. She is not some supreme deity or anything like that. Each branch has its own independent mythology.



Yog is not literally the Tao, and she is not literally Nirvana either.



This is not tier 0.



This is completely taken out of context. The statement is not talking about a “true form” in the sense of something transcendent above everything. It is simply referring to how Yog, in her Aforgomon form, kills everyone who reaches her domain so quickly that nobody is able to actually see her Aforgomon form as such, which is easy to understand if you take the context of the description into account.

It is the equivalent of saying that character X eradicates all visitors to their plane so fast that nobody can make out their form. That is all.



The character’s current scaling relies far too much on how ordinary humans perceive a deity beyond their understanding and then try to adapt that knowledge to their faith. On top of that, Yog is not special. She is not the only member of the Cthulhu Branch in the academy, nor is it ever stated anywhere that she is the most powerful, something that is explicitly said about other entities in the Babylon Academy (hell, even Azathoth got more prestige than her).

So yeah, I agree with the downgrade. The only way you can mantain the tier 0 is doing mad mental gymnastics and ignoring the fact that Yog is literally a weapon in-game before awakening her.

Tier 0 weapon fr.

Yeah. I have never denied that Yog’s power is extremely far reaching within her own worldview. What I am talking about is how far that actually extends in a more general sense when centered on the Tiering System.

You can perfectly replicate everything that text says at almost any tier, because the kind of language being used is contingent on the verse’s own cosmology.

Obviously, this idea of “losing all limits” is not absolute, because there is no dissolution of the self in Heaven, nor is there a dissolution of the subject object relationship or anything at that level. It is simply a plane that is transcendent with respect to the material, which is why it is said to transcend space and time.

This reads more like creation ex nihilo through narrative manipulation. I would not have an issue with 1-A.

This is not the main requirement for Tier 0 lol. It’s actually quite the opposite; ineffability is a derivative of ontology. It’s why Pure Act is ineffable differently to the Tao.

If you merely say something is unnamed or unattainable by the human mind, then you say nothing about its ontic status. Even noumena, as our mind lacks the a priori conditions to comprehend them, are completely beyond knowledge. But they sure as hell aren’t Tier 0; far from it actually.

The Tao is ineffable because it is hyper-noetic, in that it is causally prior to the Taiji, which contains Knowledge as united with all things.

 

[Voidnether]

Ultima did not play GGZ. He does not know how the verse works, and his only way of understanding the scans was through the same supporters who, in this very thread, are demonstrating that they do not know how Tier 0 works. He agreed with tier 0 because he interpreted all that yap of the dao sutra and the buddhist sutra as literal when I've already explained above that it is not.

He even switched to neutral later in the same thread



I am going to repeat this one more time, and hopefully it will be the last. Can we stop appealing to something Ultima said fifty centuries ago and actually respond to the arguments?

Let us stop using the victimization strategy for everything, please. I have not said anything offensive nor arrogant, and that approach is not going to help you defend the tier.



So what? Phoenks isn't an admin of this wiki, he is an admin of the OC version of VSBW.

Your arguments are 1:1 of those GGZ larpers who pretend they play the game when they're not, so uh yeah that is definitely not an argument here whatsoever (funniest part is that you just basically copied what they said, it's not even from you, yourself)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

For the record it's not like I disagree with some of the presented points, I already said my stance was neutral. I was just calling out your claim from before, though idk how far I can trust these claims you've linked because they have little to no scans. One of them even links to an entire page without any mention of what exactly you're even quoting from it to support your arguments, where as the original OP had a lot more scans to support their claims.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Your arguments are 1:1 of those GGZ larpers who pretend they play the game when they're not, so uh yeah that is definitely not an argument here whatsoever (funniest part is that you just basically copied what they said, it's not even from you, yourself)

Whatever you say bro.

For the record it's not like I disagree with some of the presented points, I already said my stance was neutral. I was just calling out your claim from before, though idk how far I can trust these claims you've linked because they have little to no scans.

What scan do you need. The character only has like 5 short stories and that's it. Don't be that vague.

One of them even links to an entire page without any mention of what exactly you're even quoting from it to support your arguments, where as the original OP had a lot more scans to support their claims.

You cannot be real, you must be trolling atp.

This is what I wrote:

On top of that, Yog is not special. She is not the only member of the Cthulhu Branch in the academy

That link proves exactly what I am saying. The link is talking about the Godheads, who are the inhabitants of the Babylon Academy, and if you scroll down a bit you will see the Cthulhu Branch.

And do not even get me started on the whole “the other side has more scans” thing, as if the number of scans meant anything when the opposition is using texts taken out of their main context and trying to give them absolutist connotations.

If you are not going to read the links/scans properly and you are not going to contribute anything new to the discussion, please avoid filling the thread with basically negative substance replies. Thanks.

 

[MSahla]

Interesting to watch

 

[Breakdown]

Whatever you say bro.



What scan do you need. The character only has like 5 short stories and that's it. Don't be that vague.



You cannot be real, you must be trolling atp.

This is what I wrote:



That link proves exactly what I am saying. The link is talking about the Godheads, who are the inhabitants of the Babylon Academy, and if you scroll down a bit you will see the Cthulhu Branch.

What does being a member of the branch of a school have to do with anything? Absurd scaling. We might as well put Ichigo at 10-B because he goes to school.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

if theres in verse context contradicting then lol

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

What does being a member of the branch of a school have to do with anything? Absurd scaling. We might as well put Ichigo at 10-B because he goes to school.

I hope I am not the only one seeing how the verse’s supporters, instead of addressing the argument as a whole, keep isolating specific parts and building strawmen to continue derailing the thread.

I am going to stop replying until staff shows up, because honestly, I feel like this is not going anywhere.

 

[Child_of_destiny]

What does being a member of the branch of a school have to do with anything? Absurd scaling. We might as well put Ichigo at 10-B because he goes to school.

Are you intentionally being obtuse with the intent of derailing the thread and the arguments provided?
Berny literally explained how the different branches are separated and described in context of the verse which is relevant to the context of this thread.
Your reply provides no substance to this thread nor to any of the previous content given by other users.
If you have nothing of substance to add to the thread, refrain from derailing any further.

 

[Elyartaker]

Calm down people. Too much spam and unrelated stuff.
Just focus on the topic of the thread and respond to eachother respectfully.
Y'all doing too much directly and indirectly.

 

[Breakdown]

if theres in verse context contradicting then lol

There isn’t one here because the CM Gods generally are shown to be superior to the other ones. Like how Azathoth messes with every god she meets without trying. Or how the Star Mother is literally the mother of existence, even other mother goddesses. We’ve been discussing Yog left and right here, so posting a link to the page would be redundant. The point here being that the CM Gods go to the school, but that’s not grounds to scale them to the others without context. The CM gods are significantly above everyone else as a whole.

Are you intentionally being obtuse with the intent of derailing the thread and the arguments provided?
Berny literally explained how the different branches are separated and described in context of the verse which is relevant to the context of this thread.
Your reply provides no substance to this thread nor to any of the previous content given by other users.
If you have nothing of substance to add to the thread, refrain from derailing any further.

I pointed out the absurdity of the argument they presented.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

I agree with this
Ngl
Why are we bringing Ultima as absolute word of law, or keeping your owns.
And also
This it is too much mythology/religion scaling while the association is by nature is false.
Also Yog-Sothoth (or other Godheads and Outer Gods) are firstly weapons before they go to Babylon Academy after the absorption of a *certain quantity of Honkai energy for Ascension, which contradicts the claim.
There is not enough context to imply Yog-Sothoth's nature as a Tier-0 entity other than the Primacy.*
Daoism is considered to have
0 bounds which contradicts T0, also not too mention
The people against this haven't gave any sort of proof that Yog is above the hierarchy of GGz, Cosmology that doesn't even imply anything when she is still in Hoyos set hierarchy
Also with Additions, SoQ and CoF are also part of said hierarchy, I know GGz and HI3 are different but the hierarchy is still the same..
Yog isn't even fully above it as she still exists within it's Bounds
I've played the games ,
2014 was a crazy time..

Unless someone can provide proof that she isn't bounded, were not appealing to Mythology. I literally shot down someone doing the exact same thing on another thread but enough of tht

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm leaning towards agreeing with the downgrade for now.

 

[Breakdown]

I agree with this
Ngl
Why are we bringing Ultima as absolute word of law, or keeping your owns.
And also
This it is too much mythology/religion scaling while the association is by nature is false.
Also Yog-Sothoth (or other Godheads and Outer Gods) are firstly weapons before they go to Babylon Academy after the absorption of a *certain quantity of Honkai energy for Ascension, which contradicts the claim.
There is not enough context to imply Yog-Sothoth's nature as a Tier-0 entity other than the Primacy.*
Daoism is considered to have
0 bounds which contradicts T0, also not too mention
The people against this haven't gave any sort of proof that Yog is above the hierarchy of GGz, Cosmology that doesn't even imply anything when she is still in Hoyos set hierarchy
Also with Additions, SoQ and CoF are also part of said hierarchy, I know GGz and HI3 are different but the hierarchy is still the same..
Yog isn't even fully above it as she still exists within it's Bounds
I've played the games ,
2014 was a crazy time..

Unless someone can provide proof that she isn't bounded, were not appealing to Mythology. I literally shot down someone doing the exact same thing on another thread but enough of tht

Her not being bounded is literally layed out in the fifth Kizuna entry.

“This is how divine power works. Humans grow old, their skin turns gray, but how can the world within the words? This is the divine power of God, "description", or "definition". The only way to define the boundaries is to transcend them, and because we are free from everything, we can create everything, and so everything is born in our hands.”

 

[Thunderman101]

Agree

 

[Weaver261]

Tbh, I don't really see any debunks here. Yog Sothoth belonging to Cthulhu branch in game via categorization doesn't mean she is the same as other gods from Babylon. As @Breakdown said above, Cthulhu gods are much more powerful than gods in Babylon. Most of them lives outside of Babylon.

All of Berny's arguments were already addressed in original thread. Also trivializing important scans that gives grounding for tier 0 as "yaps" isn't really a great way to argue.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

All of Berny's arguments were already addressed in original thread.

Definitely not lmao. Go ahead and copy and paste the responses if that is the case.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Tbh, I don't really see any debunks here. Yog Sothoth belonging to Cthulhu branch in game via categorization doesn't mean she is the same as other gods from Babylon. As @Breakdown said above, Cthulhu gods are much more powerful than gods in Babylon. Most of them lives outside of Babylon.

All of Berny's arguments were already addressed in original thread. Also trivializing important scans that gives grounding for tier 0 as "yaps" isn't really a great way to argue.

Send your sources for this
You not sending anything is admitting a L ngl

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

There isn’t one here because the CM Gods generally are shown to be superior to the other ones. Like how Azathoth messes with every god she meets without trying.

The Outer Gods are not portrayed as being more powerful than the other Godheads. That is a massive falsehood.

It makes me laugh how you say that "Azathoth messes with every god" as if that were any indication that she is stronger than the average Godhead, when the only reason Azathoth is known within the academy is because she is an unbearable nuisance who blasts terrible music at absurd volume with a stereo and annoys everyone else.

The public music itself is already very disturbing, but Azathoth is actually playing all kinds of mentally polluted noise music. In the eyes of the surrounding godheads, this kind of thing isn't called music at all, it is just pure noise.

Over time, the noise became more and more severe, mixed with the sound of scraping against the blackboard, as well as shrill screams, roars and vomiting.

Mao is the godhead who can't stand the sound the most. She puts on the latest noise-cancelling headphones and protests to Azathoth with Thor, who is committed to maintaining order.

However, they only looked at Azathoth for a moment, and they sat beside Azathoth with their eyes blank, shaking their heads and admiring the noise together.

If you can't stand it, choose to join, maybe it's a countermeasure?

It seemed that Azathoth hadn't slept for a whole month as she had slept for too long. When some godheads stayed up all night writing novels and doing live broadcasts, Azathoth was still full of energy and wandered aimlessly in Babylon.

It's okay if she's just hanging out, at least she's not carrying the stereo. But recently-

Sakura said that in the area where Azathoth passed, she witnessed twisted creatures that were more terrifying than ghosts crawling around;

When Kana saw something shiny on the ground, she was too scared to pick it up;

Explain to me where it is stated that Azathoth is "more powerful" than the other Godheads, please. Send the scan with the event so I can read it.

Or how the Star Mother is literally the mother of existence, even other mother goddesses.

The Mother is not literally the mother of all existence (which would directly contradict what Yog’s Kizuna states, since it is implied there that everything was created through the power of “definition”).

When it is said that she is the "mother of everything," it is made clear that this is a title she gives herself, referring to the real Shub Niggurath wrote by Lovecraft.

Her own Kizuna also implies that something else gave birth to her.

This girl is a girl.
This girl is a mother.
This girl may be named "The Mother"... And maybe there is no name capable of describing her.
This girl is the aggregate of two opposite wills, and her very existence is a paradox.
This girl will witness the death of all her children, and the birth of all her children.
This girl calls herself the Mother of All.
But... if this girl is the Mother of All Things, then who gave birth to her, and who will make her give birth to all things?

It is even stated that she is not the only entity in the Babylon Academy who holds that general title, because obviously different mythologies have different deities that are regarded as "the mother of everything".

The difference between the Mother and the other deities is that she is an obnoxious person who forces everyone else to call her "Mother" via her own name.

In Babylon, where all the wonders gather, there are many Goddesses who bear the attributes of mothers. Whether it's Metis, who is the Goddess of Wisdom, and the Goddess of the Ocean, with a heart of infinite tolerance, or Percy, who is gentle and stern, and always exudes gentleness and brilliance. There are many moments in their lives where other Gods call them mothers. In this way, those who have won the love of everyone do not put on an act of being elders to everyone, or regard themselves as mothers in the literal sense. The exception to this is, the Mother. Even when looking at her name, it is essentially forcing everyone to call her a mother.

The cosmic sounding statements about that character in "The Moment the Stars Went Out" refer to her own mythology, not to the mythology of all characters/branches.

The days of joy will never return, and the grayness and death will take over every corner of this world. Therefore, she shall fulfill her duty, her only duty: to embrace all things, to bring all things back into her womb. Let all that she loves, after seeing that which she sees, a future of unparalleled darkness, put all that she has in her. To curl the whole universe once more into the most fundamental zeroth point, and then to use this last point... to give birth to herself.

Two identical beings will trigger annihilation and explosion, restarting the entire Universe — that is the moment of the birth of the stars. And that newborn her will continue to watch over the world and ensure its restart.

The current Mother appears to be just a young girl and only active on one planet... It seems that even if it is inevitable, the day of this Universe's restart is still very far away.

Mother is not the one who gave birth to the Greek pantheon, for example. Each branch has its own creation story, so there is literally nothing in her Kizuna that indicates she is superior to the other goddesses.

Neither she nor Azathoth. And do not even get me started on Nyarlathotep. There is not a single mention of her power across all her Kizuna.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Her not being bounded is literally layed out in the fifth Kizuna entry.

“This is how divine power works. Humans grow old, their skin turns gray, but how can the world within the words? This is the divine power of God, "description", or "definition". The only way to define the boundaries is to transcend them, and because we are free from everything, we can create everything, and so everything is born in our hands.”

We already went over this. Everyone who resides in the white void or Heaven is not "bound by anything" in the sense that they transcend material composition aka they are beyond time and space.

That's not tier 0. That's 1-A.

Yeah. I have never denied that Yog’s power is extremely far reaching within her own worldview. What I am talking about is how far that actually extends in a more general sense when centered on the Tiering System.

You can perfectly replicate everything that text says at almost any tier, because the kind of language being used is contingent on the verse’s own cosmology.

Obviously, this idea of “losing all limits” is not absolute, because there is no dissolution of the self in Heaven, nor is there a dissolution of the subject object relationship or anything at that level. It is simply a plane that is transcendent with respect to the material, which is why it is said to transcend space and time.

This reads more like creation ex nihilo through narrative manipulation. I would not have an issue with 1-A.

This is not the main requirement for Tier 0 lol. It’s actually quite the opposite; ineffability is a derivative of ontology. It’s why Pure Act is ineffable differently to the Tao.

If you merely say something is unnamed or unattainable by the human mind, then you say nothing about its ontic status. Even noumena, as our mind lacks the a priori conditions to comprehend them, are completely beyond knowledge. But they sure as hell aren’t Tier 0; far from it actually.

The Tao is ineffable because it is hyper-noetic, in that it is causally prior to the Taiji, which contains Knowledge as united with all things.

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Following

Ngl I expect this downgrade CRT to happen in at some point in time

 

[Laniaitte]

I agree with this
Ngl
Why are we bringing Ultima as absolute word of law, or keeping your owns.
And also
This it is too much mythology/religion scaling while the association is by nature is false.
Also Yog-Sothoth (or other Godheads and Outer Gods) are firstly weapons before they go to Babylon Academy after the absorption of a *certain quantity of Honkai energy for Ascension, which contradicts the claim.
There is not enough context to imply Yog-Sothoth's nature as a Tier-0 entity other than the Primacy.*
Daoism is considered to have
0 bounds which contradicts T0, also not too mention
The people against this haven't gave any sort of proof that Yog is above the hierarchy of GGz, Cosmology that doesn't even imply anything when she is still in Hoyos set hierarchy
Also with Additions, SoQ and CoF are also part of said hierarchy, I know GGz and HI3 are different but the hierarchy is still the same..
Yog isn't even fully above it as she still exists within it's Bounds
I've played the games ,
2014 was a crazy time..

Unless someone can provide proof that she isn't bounded, were not appealing to Mythology. I literally shot down someone doing the exact same thing on another thread but enough of tht

It’s complete nonsense—aside from Thor and Lucian, there’s basically no one who was born from a weapon that absorbed too much Honkai energy, lol (Even though Thor and Lucian were indeed reborn from weapons, she was actually one of the true gods in the past, before being hunted down by Thanatos and killed in an ancient war long ago)
Do you even know what the cosmology of GGZ consists of? And another thing—GGZ doesn’t share a unified cosmology with HoYo at all. If you’ve really played this game, you should know that already, lol

[Since I’m not very good at sending images, I’ll just provide the scan text here instead]

Bronya: 布洛妮娅认为很可能是因为这两件在琪亚娜与芽衣姐姐的手中长期使用后获得了灵性, 索尔之锤和卢西恩密藏本来就是寄宿着远古神器之力的武器.......

 

[Furina003]

Interesting, following

 

[Maniaunavailable]

so we got 1 staff who disagree and one who dosnt?

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Do you even know what the cosmology of GGZ consists of? And another thing—GGZ doesn’t share a unified cosmology with HoYo at all. If you’ve really played this game, you should know that already, lol

Make a thread for that, then, because the wiki currently considers GGZ to be part of the broader Hoyoverse cosmology.

Anyway, I only mentioned the awakening topic in passing, but even if we ignore it entirely, it would not change my argument at all.

I find it strange that people try to argue that only some deities go through that process when the literal only way to obtain information about all the gods is precisely through awakening, by empowering their respective weapons.

But well, this is what happens when you try to scale a verse whose events are not accessible to everyone.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

so we got 1 staff who disagree and one who dosnt?

The current staff votes are 1 agreements (DDM) and 0 disagreements.

Phoenks isn't a staff member.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

The current staff votes are 1 agreements (DDM) and 0 disagreements.

Phoenks isn't a staff member.

then its 0-0 because his leaning to agree, he dosnt agree fully yet (ultima will cook this thread probably, so gl there)

 

[Re5yh]

then its 0-0 because his leaning to agree, he dosnt agree fully yet (ultima will cook this thread probably, so gl there)

Who knows what ultima would do

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

then its 0-0 because his leaning to agree, he dosnt agree fully yet

I'm leaning towards agreeing with the downgrade for now.

Since I know for a fact that some users are going to start arguing semantics over vague agreements, do you fully agree with the downgrade or not?

 

[Unqver]

Do admire the admins for admitting the wiki humiliated themselves for over a year with their first tier 0 being a loli from a borderline ecchi nsfw game

 

[Unqver]

I think her PP should be changed to Type 1

why do you always seem to have a hate boner when it comes to pp

 

[Laniaitte]

Make a thread for that, then, because the wiki currently considers GGZ to be part of the broader Hoyoverse cosmology.

I definitely will—once I finish summarizing the cosmology of GGZ
(It’s insanely hard to summarize it alone; I’ll probably need to find people to help me in the future, lol)

I find it strange that people try to argue that only some deities go through that process when the literal only way to obtain information about all the gods is precisely through awakening, by empowering their respective weapons.

You really need to separate game systems from narrative content
(I strongly recommend that you don’t put too much trust in Miraheze or people on Discord when it comes to Babylon Academy’s lore. Only a handful of people have actually read the story all the way through, and they don’t really understand VS scaling at all. I remember once someone asked about Yog’s Level 0, and the answer was something like ‘Dreamland is higher because his Lovecraftian title ranks above Outer Gods)
And honestly, you should just go read the game’s story properly already. You come across as someone who claims to follow the game closely, but in reality you don’t

But well, this is what happens when you try to scale a verse whose events are not accessible to everyone.

I’m just an ordinary person too, so how am I able to know all of this?
On top of that, getting information about this game’s story is way easier than keeping up with many Japanese VN, lol

 

[Laniaitte]

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สแกน เจพี
АザTORースの日常HA散歩と騒音や音楽を流WSことくらいだが、彼女がSN Sでよく発言して言葉HA「今月HAたくさんのことを本付けて充実だった」 どこか充実なのかな誰にも理解でないが、บาร์ビロンに迷惑をかけたのな事実だっตะกร้าสินค้าも......この世界の安定HA彼女の深い眠りによって維持されていなのか。そして、BAビロンฮะこれら全ての出来事を忘れRUだろう。彼女が再び目覚めるまで。

ตัวอย่างเช่น พระมารดาไม่ใช่ผู้ให้กำเนิดเทพเจ้ากรีกทั้งหมด แต่ละสาขามีเรื่องราวการสร้างของตนเอง ดังนั้นจึงไม่มีอะไรในคิซึนะของพระองค์ที่บ่งชี้ว่าพระองค์เหนือกว่าเทพธิดาองค์อื่นๆ

ฉันว่าเราคงต้องรอจนกว่าเรื่องนี้จะเกิดขึ้นจริงก่อนที่ผู้คนจะยอมรับว่าเธอแข็งแกร่งกว่าเทพเจ้าส่วนใหญ่เสียอีก ฮ่าๆ

สแกน เจพี
彼女が愛したしべてのものに、彼女の見た比類ないほど灰色の未来を見せると、自らのしべてを彼女に託しようになる。宇宙全体を再び最も基本的な1つの粒子にまで縮小させ、さらにその最後の粒子を使って...... 宇宙自身をの日本避けられないにしても、まだ遥か遠いことのよ本だ。しかし、彼女HAこのような残酷な使命を誰にも話さない。これが吊RUされし者の運命なのだ。彼女たちの世界HA常人とฮะ真逆で、悲しみの中に喜びを見出し、喜びの中に悲しみを見出WS。

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

You really need to separate game systems from narrative content
(I strongly recommend that you don’t put too much trust in Miraheze or people on Discord when it comes to Babylon Academy’s lore. Only a handful of people have actually read the story all the way through, and they don’t really understand VS scaling at all. I remember once someone asked about Yog’s Level 0, and the answer was something like ‘Dreamland is higher because his Lovecraftian title ranks above Outer Gods)

Why should I? Where is the evidence that the awakening game system is not applicable to all deities in lore, when there is not even a clear distinction between the two (gameplay and lore)? Hell, like I said above (something that you DIDN'T address) all deities are weapons that you can awaken to obtain their Kizunas.

The Bronya dialogue you sent earlier does not even support your premise.

And please, stop trying to imply that I am participating in this downgrade thread using information given to me by someone else. I am honestly starting to feel secondhand embarrassment from how many indirect attacks you and the supporters are making instead of arguing properly.

One more and I am going to start reporting people.

I’m just an ordinary person too, so how am I able to know all of this?
On top of that, getting information about this game’s story is way easier than keeping up with many Japanese VN, lol

It is not “way easier,” because the game itself only has Chinese servers as far as I know. It is not even available on all app stores, and the full story of every event is not available online either.

But all of that is irrelevant, because you do not need to be a GGZ nerd to talk about the Outer Gods. Their Kizuna are sufficient, unless you bring scans that are actually relevant.

And honestly, you should just go read the game’s story properly already. You come across as someone who claims to follow the game closely, but in reality you don’t

I've never claimed that "I follow the game closely" nor that I am a fan or anything like that. I have no idea what are you talking about.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Do admire the admins for admitting the wiki humiliated themselves for over a year with their first tier 0 being a loli from a borderline ecchi nsfw game

HUH?!

 

[Unqver]

HUH?!

The CCP censored that game multiple times for it being 18- unfriendly, it is no different than shit like Monster Girl Quest

Edit: okay DEFINITELY NOT MGQ but it is on par with shit like High School DXD

 

[DragoZeroNova]

CCP censors everything, so is there something more specific?

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Can we stop derailing the thread with irrelevant stuff?

 

[Vietthai96]

why do you always seem to have a hate boner when it comes to pp

No, i just based on current standard