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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

It seems real, given Wise is there. If so, one could theoretically scale its power to Creation, like what Demon Slayer verse does, could be a supportive feat for 7-C rating if ever
 
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Naito-desu said:
It seems real, given Wise is there. If so, one could theoretically scale its power to Creation, like what Demon Slayer verse does, could be a supportive feat for 7-C rating if ever
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i'm not really sure if the qingming realm is akin to something like the infinity castle, kinda seems more functionally similar to something like a domain from JJK, which afaik aren't counted as creation feats. it's an interesting thought regardless though

on a semi-related note though, i've been enjoying this YSG event a lot. really feels like it's exploring more of her character outside of her relationship with the proxy, which is great. it's also really helping strengthen the dynamic between yunkui summit's members, which is something i admittedly thought the faction was lacking in
 
Oh btw Yanagi seemed to redirect lightning in this event so MHS+ proof finally? I forgot to take screenshots of the dialogue but she did something along those lines

Playing the new event rn

Astra is showing some interesting combat capabilities in this new event's opening, accompanying Yanagi and Lighter on an investigation, a really unlikely team-up
 
Naito-desu said:
Oh btw Yanagi seemed to redirect lightning in this event so MHS+ proof finally? I forgot to take screenshots of the dialogue but she did something along those lines

Playing the new event rn

Astra is showing some interesting combat capabilities in this new event's opening, accompanying Yanagi and Lighter on an investigation, a really unlikely team-up
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Oh, interesting.
 
Naito-desu said:
Oh btw Yanagi seemed to redirect lightning in this event so MHS+ proof finally? I forgot to take screenshots of the dialogue but she did something along those lines

Playing the new event rn

Astra is showing some interesting combat capabilities in this new event's opening, accompanying Yanagi and Lighter on an investigation, a really unlikely team-up
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was confused for a second but realized this is for (what i'm assuming is) the new co-op event. i play on american servers so i don't have access to it yet lol
 
Naito-desu said:
Oh btw Yanagi seemed to redirect lightning in this event so MHS+ proof finally? I forgot to take screenshots of the dialogue but she did something along those lines

Playing the new event rn

Astra is showing some interesting combat capabilities in this new event's opening, accompanying Yanagi and Lighter on an investigation, a really unlikely team-up
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Scans?
 
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we got falling meteorites???? holy upscale event lmao 😭
 
Sooshirohl said:


got a bit of footage for the redirection itself. it's pretty explicit imo, it's raining heavily at the dock where yanagi, astra and lighter are fighting and there aren't any implications that the lightning comes from some unnatural source or anything like that. astra herself even supports this idea in some follow up dialogue
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We don’t see the redirection, at least not enough to accurately scale anyone off of it.
All we see is Yanagi using her chain attack which is enhanced.
We don’t see how she actually grasp it and utilized it, no movement is shown, we only see the after she grasp the lightning.
For all we know she just raised her arm to absorb the lightning and attacked the enemies with it.
Like this doesn’t show anything.
 
She could still react to it though, I'm not saying it's definitive proof but it's definitely still noteworthy given even a Hypersonic+ scaling is hundreds of times slower than the accepted standard of lightning speed.
 
Naito-desu said:
She could still react to it though, I'm not saying it's definitive proof but it's definitely still noteworthy given even a Hypersonic+ scaling is hundreds of times slower than the accepted standard of lightning speed.
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Idk man, we know her weapon can conduct the electricity.
All she has to do is raise her arm and wait.
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
Okay downplayer :v
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My intent isn’t to downplay, it’s just I hope to have values as accurate as possible. Just because it’s a niche verse doesn’t mean you have to wank it to oblivion.
You shouldn’t be probing for ways to make the characters as strong as possible, you should strive to get the most accurate depiction of their strength.
 
On the lore side of things, it seems to be influenced by dreams, the illusions specific to the character involved that make it feel real (Yanagi had stormy weather, Burnice had raining meteors, Yixuan had faux Miasma), it could be not real or could be but we'll need to see how it turns out
 
I got Xiao Guang cause of pity carry over from Banyue, only needed like 3 multis. Got her sig yesterday too so I'm eating tryna get her M2 now
 
BiggestOpp said:
Idk man, we know her weapon can conduct the electricity.
All she has to do is raise her arm and wait.
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Likely not, the mechanic while lore wise is only utilized by Yanagi is universal to every character in the event. Not to mention Yanagi does imply she can straight up dodge the lightning as well.
 
BiggestOpp said:
We don’t see the redirection, at least not enough to accurately scale anyone off of it.
All we see is Yanagi using her chain attack which is enhanced.
We don’t see how she actually grasp it and utilized it, no movement is shown, we only see the after she grasp the lightning.
For all we know she just raised her arm to absorb the lightning and attacked the enemies with it.
Like this doesn’t show anything.
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“this doesnt show anything”
and then bro drops statement how she attacks enemies at mhs+ AS 😭
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
Likely not, the mechanic while lore wise is only utilized by Yanagi is universal to every character in the event. Not to mention Yanagi does imply she can straight up dodge the lightning as well.
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No the "dodging the lightning" dialogue is actually flowery language and overconfidence actually it scales to subsonic, trust me bru
 
BiggestOpp said:
My intent isn’t to downplay, it’s just I hope to have values as accurate as possible. Just because it’s a niche verse doesn’t mean you have to wank it to oblivion.
You shouldn’t be probing for ways to make the characters as strong as possible, you should strive to get the most accurate depiction of their strength.
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i do agree with this mindset and we obviously should be critical when it comes to looking at feats to give characters accurate ratings but idk, the feat honestly seems pretty explicit to me

it's stated multiple times both in lore and in gameplay that she redirected the lightning. there's supporting evidence confirming the fact that it is in fact, natural CtG lightning

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it's not like she just sticks her arm out waiting for the lightning to strike so she can conduct it and shoot it back, she moves in tandem with it to redirect it. even if that were the case, like naito said i'd imagine she'd still need to react fast enough to actually intercept/redirect the attack

and yeah, yanagi seems to imply that she could just dodge the lightning if she wanted to. if you don't think the redirecting is a valid feat i think getting footage of yanagi just dodging the lightning would probably also be fine, since again, we have a lot of evidence supporting it being CtG
 
ShroobWasTaken said:
Likely not, the mechanic while lore wise is only utilized by Yanagi is universal to every character in the event. Not to mention Yanagi does imply she can straight up dodge the lightning as well.
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If I’m interpreting this correctly that means I’m the event every single agent is capable of utilizing this mechanic?
If so that’s pretty dumb, how the hell are they redirecting the lightning if they don’t have a conductor? Are they just straight up tanking it and then shooting it out or are they just manipulating the lightning?
It’s clear that Yanagi is using her weapon as a conductor in my opinion.
There are many indicators that show that lightning is about to strike, so it’s easy for her to dodge them.
Hell, if it’s truly CTG lightning then she has plenty of time to do so based on her speed.

PedjaTarzan said:
“this doesnt show anything”
and then bro drops statement how she attacks enemies at mhs+ AS 😭
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Redirecting the lightning does not mean she’s attacking at the speed of lightning.
Unless she has lightning manipulation (she doesn’t) her redirection is her conducting the lightning and striking the enemies with that power.
If she was pulling some avatar stuff like twisting around and shooting the lightning while it’s still in motion then yeah, that’s clear cut, but the scans don’t show that.
I’ll also admit, I misinterpreted the video posted by Soosh.
I just rewatched it and the lightning hits Yanagi but ts weird asl.
She blocks the lighting (look below her feat it hits the ground so this isn’t even a redirection), she gets flung backwards and a lightning bolt comes down from the sky to hit the enemy??? Am I seeing things? Now I can’t really tell what feat you guys are looking at 😭
Sooshirohl said:
i do agree with this mindset and we obviously should be critical when it comes to looking at feats to give characters accurate ratings but idk, the feat honestly seems pretty explicit to me

it's stated multiple times both in lore and in gameplay that she redirected the lightning. there's supporting evidence confirming the fact that it is in fact, natural CtG lightning

rmd9Czy.png


it's not like she just sticks her arm out waiting for the lightning to strike so she can conduct it and shoot it back, she moves in tandem with it to redirect it. even if that were the case, like naito said i'd imagine she'd still need to react fast enough to actually intercept/redirect the attack

and yeah, yanagi seems to imply that she could just dodge the lightning if she wanted to. if you don't think the redirecting is a valid feat i think getting footage of yanagi just dodging the lightning would probably also be fine, since again, we have a lot of evidence supporting it being CtG
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Even Astra is moving in tandem to that lightning in that clip.
You don’t even need to dodge, even by walking you’ll see that they’re moving somewhat relative to the lightning.
I don’t think that’s a proper way to find their speed.
 
BiggestOpp said:
Hell, if it’s truly CTG lightning then she has plenty of time to do so based on her speed.
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Cumulonimbus, the cloud most associated with thunderstorms, is about 2km above the ground. The accepted VSBattles speed for lightning is 440,000 m/s, even if the lightning came from over 10km up, you'd still need Massively Hypersonic reactions to:
  • Predict its fall
  • Position yourself correctly
  • Redirect it
BiggestOpp said:
Even Astra is moving in tandem to that lightning in that clip.
You don’t even need to dodge, even by walking you’ll see that they’re moving somewhat relative to the lightning.
I don’t think that’s a proper way to find their speed.
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I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. VsBattles feats are sustained where the character's speed is measured to an object whose assumed speed is accepted, so it shouldn't be invalidated just because of this.

I feel like your arguments are purely from incredulity.
 
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BiggestOpp said:
My intent isn’t to downplay, it’s just I hope to have values as accurate as possible. Just because it’s a niche verse doesn’t mean you have to wank it to oblivion.
You shouldn’t be probing for ways to make the characters as strong as possible, you should strive to get the most accurate depiction of their strength.
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Okay I'm just gonna be blunt now as I don't want to hold this feeling for a long time
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But ngl, I really don't like the way your arguing just for the sake of "have values as accurate as possible" because you always just "nu uh" to the some points people have said which does make sense and can be used and it's gotten really annoying
 
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