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(Accepted) High 1-A Original Creator (Lord of Mysteries)

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So here's OCs profile:
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Tho his profile isn't out yet, he is currently accepted as 1 layer into 1-A through R>Fing the Astral World (which is rated 1-A through containing universal concepts) and being nondual. Thing is, that he does so by undifferentiation, which is the baseline for High 1-A.

More precisely, going with with stuff like this, both the divinities (here, referring to Sefirot and GOOs, so the universal concepts) and the matter (what participates in them) are undifferentiated in "1" (OC/existence itself), which the Primordial Chaos transcends.

Also, both Astral World and Reality were one initial substance before division (which Chaos also transcends). Which is to say that "1" here (existence, as awakened OC) is the genera of which both parts of "2" (concept and particular) are united in, of which "0" (non-existence, obviously the nondual kind) transcends. So uh, basically the difference between 1-A and non-1-A is zero in the perspective of Chaos, which makes the difference between all the other layers 0 as well.

It's also pretty telling that whilst OC is all Symbolism, he is also straight-up the unity of those qualities themselves, so that also delimits differentiation between both as well.

Edit: OC potentially is Type 3 PP instead of Type 2

And one last minor thing, but Corruption (mostly with Godhood) doesn't have a type across LOTM profiles. It should be fixed to be Type 2.

Votes:
Vietthai - Agree but only PP1
Elizhaa - Agree, but above PP1 might need more proof
Celestial_Pegasus - Agree, and PP1
DarkDragonMedeus - Agree
 
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Also separation and convergence is something of existing-OC, and not of Primordial Chaos, so it can very well mean that OC nonduals this too and should be given type 3 PP, but I’ll wait on mods for this.

Some other stuff for this can be ts:
"Tudor and I attempted to merge with the Original Creator-the Oldest One—in the mirror, one bearing the feminine side, one containing the masculine side, and then use this to control the City of Calamity, so we can be both separated and joined, both unified and contradictory, both whole and divided...
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The state of awoken OC (well in this case an Aspect of his). seems to be “both whole and divided” and “both separated and joined” since naturally even unity and division is a duality of Yin and Yang in Taoism, which OC quite literally just is.
 
Nova you need to stop wanking Dokja victims verse fr

I see quality change there so I agree
 
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FinePoint said:
I'd like to hear from another knowledgeable member before anything, make sure nothing is out of context, etc.
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There’s quite a few LOTM readers on the site but for some reason they almost never bother responding to the CRTs…
 
FinePoint said:
I'd like to hear from another knowledgeable member before anything, make sure nothing is out of context, etc.
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The scans and the interpretations are fine minus one of them which I don't quite understand, "wherein it continues dreaming reality free from separation and convergence.", I'd like more on that.
I'm not that knowledgeable on H1A scaling though, so can't say much about the conclusion brought from all of nova's proofs.
 
Exoko said:
The scans and the interpretations are fine minus one of them which I don't quite understand, "wherein it continues dreaming reality free from separation and convergence.", I'd like more on that.
I'm not that knowledgeable on H1A scaling though, so can't say much about the conclusion brought from all of nova's proofs.
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That’s cuz divergence and separation always follow after OC wakes up. Both in the myths, both in the cosmology given to us and both in the statements Franca and others give us. It’s also stated that “2” only follows after “1” (awakening), and is not something applicable to “0”.

Vietthai96 said:
High 1-A but somehow the justification for it is like Tier 0, seriously
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Cuz Primordial Chaos is the unmanifested Taiji (prior to division of Yin and Yang) rather than Wuji.
 
Super_Nova said:
That’s cuz divergence and separation always follow after OC wakes up. Both in the myths, both in the cosmology given to us and both in the statements Franca and others give us. It’s also stated that “2” only follows after “1” (awakening), and is not something applicable to “0”.
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I forgot he made them along with the other Laws, mb
 
Anyway, from what I see, High 1-A is fine, though I disagree with PP2 let alone PP3, the scan mentioned contradicting concepts, not logical contradictions. I could see, however, PP1 from the duality of existence and nonexistence
 
Exoko said:
I forgot he made them along with the other Laws, mb
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Pretty sure Convergence is the concept of Primordial Hunger as well. Nevertheless, convergence and separation are sort-of interdependent with the existence of OC itself. So I would say they’re the same status of existence or just as primary

Vietthai96 said:
Anyway, from what I see, High 1-A is fine, though I disagree with PP2 let alone PP3, the scan mentioned contradicting concepts, not logical contradictions. I could see, however, PP1 from the duality of existence and nonexistence
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I wonder tho, cuz it shouldn’t be controversial to say that the concepts OC represents contain their mutually-exclusivity in their very conception. So that’s to say that the conception of the “Sun” contains within itself the negation of it being a “Moon”. And with the sort of unity presented here, both “Sun” and “Moon” would therein be referring to the same particular (rather than differing parts of a whole), in which their logical negations would contradict each other

Cuz especially when u read stuff like ts:
He has the most intense of all desires, yet He is indifferent and unaffected by anything.
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It certainly posits it like OC is both maximally emotional and maximally non-emotional simultaneously
 
Super_Nova said:
Pretty sure Convergence is the concept of Primordial Hunger as well. Nevertheless, convergence and separation are sort-of interdependent with the existence of OC itself. So I would say they’re the same status of existence or just as primary


I wonder tho, cuz it shouldn’t be controversial to say that the concepts OC represents contain their mutually-exclusivity in their very conception. So that’s to say that the conception of the “Sun” contains within itself the negation of it being a “Moon”. And with the sort of unity presented here, both “Sun” and “Moon” would therein be referring to the same particular (rather than differing parts of a whole), in which their logical negations would contradict each other

Cuz especially when u read stuff like ts:

It certainly posits it like OC is both maximally emotional and maximally non-emotional simultaneously
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still doesn't qualify since you need very specific stuff.
 
FinePoint said:
I'd like to hear from another knowledgeable member before anything, make sure nothing is out of context, etc.
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With the context of LOTM and the Original Creator, I personally think the CRT is fine. I don't really see anything that is misinterpreted.
 
As far as I have tried to understand, Chaos is the pre-awakened state of the OC, and the power hierarchy like OC > Pillars Symbol > Symbol (Quality Framework) are actually the same thing within the undifferentiated state of Chaos. Is my understanding correct so far?

I’m trying to form a concrete mental image of it (personally I haven’t read COI yet, so I’m having trouble grasping the concept clearly).
 
Frans_Kadmon said:
Is my understanding correct so far?
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Nonduality is undifferentiation yes.

Frans_Kadmon said:
OC > Pillars Symbol > Symbol (Quality Framework)
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Pillar Symbolism and Symbolism have a more-so >= relationship. The only real difference is that the former are in a way structural universals which create the ground for the latter to enact their effects.

Other than that they’re generally the same ontological level.

Chaos is just meant to portray the same sort of union that Symbolism and Reality had before they were created.

I don’t blame you for struggling though cuz Book 1 talks less concretely about OC and in a more myth-like fashion than Book 2.
 
KingOfDarknessBelow said:
What a breath of fresh air after looking at hoyo crits no 10+ pages, now I guess we just need mods to look over it
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I know nothing about the verse, the but it is entertaining to read, like those Fate CRTs a while back with the ‘atoms never touch so they are unreachable and are qualified for 1A’ args. I only stay around here for that stuff, though the only similarly bad arguments has been 1A Black Clover
 
Vietthai96 said:
Anyway, from what I see, High 1-A is fine, though I disagree with PP2 let alone PP3, the scan mentioned contradicting concepts, not logical contradictions. I could see, however, PP1 from the duality of existence and nonexistence
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Actually can you tag some ppl if possible?
 
Hmmm I should prob request the verse name to be changed from Lord of the Mysteries to Lord of Mysteries since that’s been the official name for 6 years now. It’ll get a lot of ppl mad tho…
 
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