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I changed Rogue to having Sub-Relativistic+ flight speed via the calc on her profile, is that okay?
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Marvel: Fantastic Four Speed Downgrade
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Pardon, but could you unlock these profiles?Further evaluations and rational reasoning and suggestions here would be appreciated.
Mister Fantastic
Mindless Ones (Marvel)
Venom (Edward Brock)
Carnage (Marvel Comics)
Hulk (Marvel Comics)
If I did the wrong format again, I'm sorry.
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Captain Marvel should scale to that as well since that was a feat using the powers she stole from Ms. Marvel, and why did you added flight speed? She scales to that fully, she stopped herself from hitting the moon and there is no reason to separate that when Ms. Marvel fights everyone while flying. Even if you were right you can't add anything that wasn't approved.
Also Wonder Man would probably scale at least High Hypersonic since his speed section contains a scan of him going to outer space.
Most people that changed from relativistic to hypersonic should scale "At least Hypersonic" since they should scale higher than street tiers
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I have unlocked those pages, but our page-unlocking program can only handle unformatted text, so I had to edit the formatting in your post again first.
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We seem to need further input here.
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Rogue doesn't amplify anything, it's exactly as it is, she is pretty much powerless when she has no powers absorbed, if something I would say it's more likely that she is weaker considering lack of experience (Carol's memories aren't there anymore Xavier took them away) and the fact that even without powers Carol's body is turned into the perfect human pretty much superhuman. Also flight cannot be used differently, if something again Carol's genius intelligence and experience in air force would make her much better at flight.
Pretty sure we don't.
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For characters who can fly to outer space it's pretty common for them to fly there in a very short time, Wonder Man has it and Rogue with Wonder Mans's powers too, even Namor and Mar-vell do it too and actually has a calc for it, not to mention Ms. Marvel, actually this feat right here should be even higher she is flying to outer space at similar speeds to objects that are at the speed of light, this version of Captain Marvel is 2nd key so she would upscale from any value it's agreed on in this thread.
Edit: If that feat still seems too much for you, the same version of Ms. Marvel can fly into space to intercept a space missile in very little time
Edit: If that feat still seems too much for you, the same version of Ms. Marvel can fly into space to intercept a space missile in very little time
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That could work for Human Torch but scaling it here it will most likely end in being an outlier.
But Super skrull flying to outer space with Human Torch's power (Annihilation: Super Skrull #1) should be somewhat acceptable
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Well I commented to explain here. Aside from explaining I also linked an accepted calculation for Namor and Mar-Vell that seems to have been ignored.Thank you for helping out.
So what should we do here currently?
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Latest comments are missing why this went from an Spider-Man upgrade thread to a Fantastic Four downgrade in the first place
It's useless to argue about higher ends here, a consensus has been made. Go make another CRT to argue for those feats
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I mean I'd be down for a likely.
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I feel like many of these characters should be Sub-Relativistic then.
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Sorry about that, for some reason I thought the text had to be formatted.I have unlocked those pages, but our page-unlocking program can only handle unformatted text, so I had to edit the formatting in your post again first.
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Most of what I'm talking about is the scaling that existed before the relativistic upgrade. Both Captain Marvel and Rogue were scaling to sub relativistic because it was accepted before, Namor and Mar-vell's calc that I brought up it's still linked in Namor's profile, we either accept the previous scaling or we reject it but needs to be discussed.
Pretty sure we're not downgrading Thor to Hypersonic.
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That isn't even one of the ends in his profile, and even if it was I don't see the problem as it obviously wouldn't be the overall limit of his speed
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Alright done, you can relock them now.I have unlocked those pages, but our page-unlocking program can only handle unformatted text, so I had to edit the formatting in your post again first.
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I was refering to the quote you brought up before that states Thor and Spidey are seen on similar speed levels. And also pretty sure that people are already having a problem with the "hold back Thor tiers" so better not to go that way.
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The Iron Man Armor Model 4 could fly to the other side of the Sun in a short timeframe. I'll get to calcing all of this later.
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I reverted the Rogue thing, sorry about that.
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I'm a man of my word, but I think we should save further speed revisions for another CRT. Which profiles have yet to get their Relativistic+ speeds removed?
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Neato.
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The Ms. Marvel calc to reach the missile is considerable low balled, one of the scans I showed you stated the missile was 300 miles above earth surface while you used 200 miles, she is also intercepting a rocket missile that was launched from surface and reach space so she is intercepting a missile at least as fast as escape velocity which is about mach 33 while the lowest end is mach 31 so that one makes no sense at all since she wouldn't have been able to reach the missile. Also the missile is not just 300 miles away because that's only the Z axis not Y or X since we now the missile is still not in the base yet.
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Why would the missile be going at escape velocity? It's a constantly flight, it doesn't need to be going that fast to breach the atmosphere.
I'll fix the 200 to 300 miles thing at least.
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Is it currently clarified in the pages revised based on this thread which speed calculations, or other characters with links to speed calculations, that they scale from exactly?
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I'm pretty sure everyone is nebulously scaled to or above Electra (via Daredevil or something).
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Well, it should always be clarified which calculation, or other character with a link to a calculation, that a character's statistics scale from, via embedded links. This is extremely important and is required to always be applied according to our rules.
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I can just insert a statistics value in all the profiles that link to the calc, would that be sufficient?Well, it should always be clarified which calculation, or other character with a link to a calculation, that a character's statistics scale from, via embedded links. This is extremely important and is required to always be applied according to our rules.
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Yeah from what I've been told, this is either an outlier or would just apply as a "possibly" rating exclusively for flight speed.
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You can use this code to make it even better
Also saw the calcs you made were approved.
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Ok but what about Reed Richards' speed feat of 3% the speed of light?
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I have a plan:
Step 1. I'm a dummy and forgot to correct Dr. Doom's speed rating.
Would you mind unlocking Doom's profile?
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Step 2. I'll add the Elektra statistics code thing to the profiles. I'll start with the non-locked profiles, then ask someone to unlock the necessary locked ones and do the same.
Finally done.
Step 3. Moon Knight's High Hypersonic feat was calculated and accepted a while ago, if there was a thread rejecting it, I haven't found it. So we need to determine whether to A) deem it an outlier or B) use it as scaling in place of Elektra's feat.
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Step 4. Once it's clear which verse-page calculations aren't being used, I'll remove the unused speed calculations.
Step 5. By in large, the purpose of this thread has been fulfilled. I purpose it should be closed after steps 1-4 are completed, any profiles that were missed in the revision can simply be revised when they're found and link back to this thread.
Step 6. I start a new thread regarding the speed scaling, regarding already accepted and new calculations that need to be squared away but aren't related to the current matter at hand.
What do other staff members and knowledgeable members here think about this?
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Finally done.
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Step 4. Once it's clear which verse-page calculations aren't being used, I'll remove the unused speed calculations.
Step 5. By in large, the purpose of this thread has been fulfilled. I purpose it should be closed after steps 1-4 are completed, any profiles that were missed in the revision can simply be revised when they're found and link back to this thread.
Step 6. I start a new thread regarding the speed scaling, regarding already accepted and new calculations that need to be squared away but aren't related to the current matter at hand.
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MK fan here. The calc was accepted, approved and it can be used but not for everyone. He's those characters who have actual variable mechanics, too many in fact, and this was done during a run where he had an upgrade by Khonshu.
But we also have a few Captain America feats that are also High Hypersonic, and he's far more reliable than MK for crossscaling.
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Alrighty then, is there anyone besides Moonkight who scales to that specific feat?
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