Ryu survived it and was able to move completely fine, saying he underestimated him means he didn't go with his strongest attack immediately, Cleave. If he had another Dismantle that Ryu wouldn't be able to tank then why not use that and use Cleave while going in head first? And again, Ryu would scale to the Dismantle regardless since the one that cut the cloud wasn't a max output one either.
I literally said it doesn't need to be the one which was able to cut the cloud. I mean it doesn't need to be max output
Also the injury which Ryu suffered was not a normal cut. Not to mention he side stepped if we looked at the manga panel.
A surface level cut would still cause that much blood to splatter. And this isn't a serious injury like Hollow Purple which left Sukuna basically crippled and outright stated would've killed him had it hit directly (Which it didn't do. He was like tens of meters from the epicenter, thus greatly reducing the energy he received). This seems like a loaded question. Maybe that wasn't the intent, but just because I agree to one thing doesn't mean I need to agree to another.
I’m literally pointing out that the slash cut from the front to the back of his shoulder while Ryu himself created some distance and sidestepped slightly. I think Sukuna was talking about not being able to kill him in one shot without making direct contact. That doesn’t mean he should scale to durability, since I already said that characters can move around with serious injuries, which shouldn’t scale to their durability.
It didn't fully cut through him at all. Sukuna also exclaims that he's impressed because he tried to filet him into three. Ryu just took surface level damage from the dismantles.
Except if an attack literally physically can't fatally wound you, you should downscale from it? Sukuna is saying that aslong as he doesn't make physical contact, fatal wounds are impossible to make with his dismantles so their body, despite still being below it's AP, downscales from it otherwise fatal wounds would be possible
Yea same way that dismantles do basically 0 damage to Yuji in Shinjuku yet just a chapter ago when Sukuna touched him and cleaved his entire torso got ripped off.
No? His shoulder injury was pretty clear in the next panel too. Like I mentioned, why are you assuming he can’t output a higher-energy Dismantle than that?
Isn’t the same thing applicable to the cloud-cutting feat, since it was done with a large Dismantle covering a much greater distance? Ryu only took a portion of it, although I disagree that Ryu was hit by a Dismantle with the same output.
That’s not meant to be a loaded question. What I’m trying to say is that characters can still move around even with serious injuries.
Brother fatally can many things. Like I mentioned Sukuna fatally stuff is literally one shot. Which he did.
Who said dismantle did zero injury to Yuji?
Not... really? fatal wound means a wound severe enough that it can kill the person that has it. That's pretty straightforward. If you can't make a fatal wound on a person with X attack then X attack can't kill said person.
Sukuna does, are you gonna disagree with him?
Question mark? When did Yuji say he would die to dismantles. He would have died in that fight if he didn't have RCT yea, he got his torso ripped out by cleave at one point. A single cleave is taking Yuji to hell if he didn't RCTYuji himself states if he didn't had RCT he would have died 4 times 2 of them are talking about dismantle attacks. Now we are making things about Yuji getting zero damage from dismantle
When did I say he can't output a higher energy Dismantle? In fact I opened up stating I am not going to divulge how strong I think the Dismantle was. Just that Ryu should scale on virtue of the fact a slicing attack with super small surface area only cut him on a surface level. Also no, I can barely see his shoulder injury, icl. It certainly doesn't look bad enough to be anything deeper than a surface level cut. A LONG surface level cut, sure, but not anything deep. And considering that again, this is a cutting attack, and thus has far more piercing power, that'd mean a punch of equal output to the slash would do significantly less damage. Him enduring a cut at "A" level of power is more impressive than a punch of "A" level of power punching inches deep into him. It's why a sword can cut limps off but you can't get close to inflicting that level of damage with a fist despite it being the same amount of energy (roughly).
Is what same thing applicable. Inverse square law? If so, then nah, that's for energy that spreads out omnidirectionally. Or at the very least spreads out in a way that makes it lose energy (Like a cone, which is why flashlights lose brightness over distance).
I agree they can. I don't think Ryu's cut is a serious injury. I think I could survive what essentially looks like a glorified papercut. Even without surgery, he ain't bleeding that much to where he'd need it. This is versus Sukuna literally becoming crippled and having most of his body vaporized and charred. Which would like, kill any person irl either instantly or in seconds.
Side note: Dismantle at close range is actually straight up confirmed to be stronger than from a range anyways. Kukusabe says that, despite him being able to weaken/nerf dismantles's potency at a range normally in the same scene, if the same dismantle was at point blank range, no amount of reinforcement or domain amplification would stop it and it would instantly kill him
Sukuna didn't leave fatal wound on Ryu. He killed him with a touch.
That scan shows Rika hand cutting off with Cleave. Nothing to do with zero injury.
Do you even know what zero damage means?
Chapter 252 he literally thinks those attacks would have killed him. Using RCT is literally endurance feat. What you are claiming is wrong since if it's just about RCT Yuji would have died to chapter 247 attack where he got hit by cleave when half of his stomach was gone.
Let say we scale Ryu to Sukuna's normal dismantle but why assume it had same output as Cloud clearing feat? Also you still need to look at other feats I guess for consistency?
Closer dismantle got tanked by Yuji in chapter 246 yet he claimed Chapter 248 dismantle could have killed him. Not all of close range dismantle has same output.?
Well I wasn't saying it scales to the cloud feat or ANY feat. I was just saying that it was weird to argue that he doesn't scale to the Dismantle at all. I don't care what level the Dismantle is at, it could be below average human level and I'd still say Ryu scales to it. The point I was making wasn't what tier Ryu should be. My point is regardless of how strong one believes the dismantle was, Ryu should scale to it.
Yes he killed him by making a fatal wound on his head...? A dismantle would not be able to filet him into three which would also kill him, a filet can not cut through his entire body and simply do surface level damage otherwise it would also kill him. Any type of full on cut through Ryu's body would one shot him. What do you even mean, re-telling the statement again:
There's 3 images in said link, one where sukuna showers yuta and yuji with dismantles, one where rika's hand gets cut off and the last one where sukuna looks back at yuji and yuta and makes the claim that he didn't fatally wound them there.
Apologies for not being clear I mean zero fatal damage, according to Sukuna himself. It did superficial damage just like it did to Yuji back when a 10% dismantle output was only doing superficial damage to Yuji back in the culling games despite still cutting his body.
The scan in japanese is that Yuji had fatal wounds and has healed said "fatal wounds" four times over but it hasn't completely healed. This doesn't mean the dismantles themselves were fatal wounds because Sukuna directly says they weren't lol. They would normally be fatal due to how much damage he is taking from cleaves too, he is healing the cleaves four times over because they were never fully healed.
Also please stop using the "Gojo clashed with 16F Sukuna" argument. No one is saying ryu, yuji or yuta are even close to 15F Sukuna. 15F Sukuna is way superior to his own dismantles' power. Mahoraga was already above sukuna's dismantles once he adapted. He literally starts boxing and repelling them with his own physical body. The same Mahoraga was still below 15F Sukuna physically.
Then fine. Thought you people were trying to chain scale everyone to that feat. My misunderstanding then.
I have yet to see a single inconsistency on Ryu scaling to 15F Sukuna's dismantles. Jogo, according to Gege, was physically below Base Mahito who we scale 4 tiers below even the lowest special grade, so that isn't a good measure. As for Mahoraga? You mean the same Mahoraga that was able to repell and punch away the same dismantles? We literally scale Mahoraga to 15F Sukuna. He'd still be above Ryu even if Ryu scales to dismantles.
A 2F Sukuna casually cut through Mahito's entire body with a casual dismantle. Jogo < Mahito physically.
Just that LS is finally getting updated, and hopefully buffed
I would like to help too
why are you assuming that he can
Sis thinks shes part of the team
I already listed my reasoning above idk why you are just bringing up single line out of all that yapping.
i skimmed through that yapping and that line specifically caught my attention
I literally didntYou set Yuta up
even with our current (wrong) rating, what does he have over Yuta beside speed
