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Halo Ur- didact upgrade Proposals
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There are a lot of issues with this proposal.
- There are no scans to justify the sources; like Imgur snapshots of the pages would be nice.
- All calculations should be done in a calculation blog post and evaluated by calc group members before the thread is made.
- The "Depth" of the blast being 10 meters is an assumption; without a reliable statement.
- 6070 Megatons or 6.07 Gigatons is only Island level, not Large Country level
- There are a lot of random assumptions here and there, such as the melting feat being assumed it only took a second. Which isn't a default assumption for feats like that.
- Laser melting without further context is pure heat, and not objectively overpressure without hard evidence, which attacks like that rely on thermal equilibrium at best
- Not only is "Center of the blast" as opposed to just being on top of ship and hit by a part of the area not very impressive compared to what is calculated. Based on how energy beams work, the "Center" or "Focal Point" isn't always that much hotter than the rest of the effect area"
- Again, we do not use Nuke Map for calculations, we have our own formula for blast/yield calculations. More over, we only use it if we again have proof that this is an overpressure heavy explosion, and not some energy beam that is most likely mostly heat. So using all of that would be Calc Stacking
- The speed is even more assumptive.
- Where is the 4000 m/s even stated?
- We do not just assume timeframes; especially ones as low as 2 seconds, and "in an instant" is prone to hyperbole.
- As was self listed, this would exclusively be his War Fleet's flight speed. Which does have better flight speed feats for sure. Does not sounds like combat speed or something that would scale to physical movement speed.
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Hi sorry for the last response i would adress the scans and calc blog post but i just wanted to check on the other points you made you said
the depth of the blast being 10m is an assumption well it is but i thought it was reasonable given
"the ground melted around us… a kilometer of stone turned to slag" ground melted and slag suggests the surface layer likely got melted
vsbattles also allows depth estimations
Some examples be Melting a car → assumes full 3D volume (no quote for thickness). Melting a tank → assumes 60 tons of steel/ceramic (no depth quote
Crater formula (VS Calculations): Volume = π × r² × depth — depth is estimated from visuals/context.
Some real world science is
- Trinity nuclear test (21 kilotons): melted sand → 2 cm thick trinitite glass over 300 m radius.
- the blast = 6.07 gigatons = 289,000× Trinity. 6,070,000,000 / 21,000 = 289,048
Heat spreads deeper with more power → ~6.6× deeper =the blast had to be ~13 cm minimum
Science(for above): Energy scales with cube root → 289,000^(1/3) ≈ 6.6
But rock holds heat worse than sand like, Laser drilling in mines melts rock 10–50 cm deep in seconds. - so i thought 10 meters is a safe low guess
even 1m is 0.607gt which is mountain level
what do you think would be ideal for the depth melted assumed ?
2.I do realise 6 gt is island level so my bad
3.“melting feat being assumed it only took a second. Which isn’t a default assumption”
But i didnt mention any time in my calcs my math was “Total Energy: 2.7 × 10¹⁰ kg × 9.4 × 10⁵ J/kg = 2.538 × 10¹⁶ J”
also according to vsbattle rules “For state-change feats (melting, vaporization), use total energy — time is irrelevant.
like - Lava survival: Total heat absorbed = no time.
- Car melting: 1.33 GJ = Building level — no seconds.
- Planet core heat: Equilibrium energy only.
according to the book
“The cannon roared… beam struck… craft shattered”
→ Implies fast pulse, but calc doesn’t need it.
4. vsbattle accept pure heat calcs
like- Melt car → 0.32 tons TNT = 8-B (Building)
- Melt tank → ~25 tons = 8-A (Multi-City Block)
- Melt airplane → 71 tons = High 8-C
- The original calc was
- Melt 27 billion kg of granite
- = 6.07 Gt → 6-C
- “beam melted stone and metal alike”
→ Direct destruction — VS allows. - “armor met the beam head-on”
→ Absorbed full heat → dura scales.
the book describes pure heat
“its beam melted stone and metal alike”
“the ground melted around us… turned to slag”
“the craft shattered”- from the heat overload
- 5. “‘Center’ or ‘Focal Point’ isn’t always that much hotter than the rest of the effect area”
- “Didact caught in its fury”
“his armor met the beam head-on”
“craft shattered… he rose, unbroken
Meaning he was ground zero the ships gone
also:
- Weapon design (Halo: Warfleet p. 88):
“focused energy… neutralizing threats from orbit to surface”
→ Defense cannons converge beam on target → center = max power.
real lasers physics says: - Gaussian beam: 86.5% energy in central spot.
- Military lasers: focus 90%+ on 1m² target.
6. “we do not use Nuke Map… using all of that would be Calc Stacking”
“2.7 × 10¹⁰ kg × 9.4 × 10⁵ J/kg = 2.538 × 10¹⁶ J”
→ 100% thermal energy — no NUKEMAP.
I used nukemap to illustriate 10,000 km² damage not the math
like ~10,000 km² (NUKEMAP, exceeds Tsar Bomba’s 50 Mt by 100x) just a picture to show the size
i think i saw - Genshin Impact calc blogs use NUKEMAP to show crater size. so that was fine right?
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also off topic but i have one question do Characters surviving inside tanky structures during massive crashes scale to the full energy — do they endure the g-forces/deceleration ?
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You're still using a lot of assumptions that are completely unproven, and have not shown us URLs to any statements from books or what not. Or uploaded any images, so there is a whole lot of nothing at the moment.
Timeframes are important. Because for example, melting a car is indeed 320 kg of TNT in terms of total energy required, but if it took a heated blast lasting 100 seconds, we divide it by a hundred since 13388800 watts would be the conclusion, which is only 9-A. That's how we properly calculate heat feats.
Uh, no. Since most of the impact was already absorbed by the structure they are in. And only a small portion of the energy actually strikes the one inside.
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and also could the statement of didact shaking mantles approach not be figurative/hyperbolic and be real
because it also mentions The Master Builder stood motionless, momentarily thrown off his axis,
which maybe means he physically fell?
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That was definately a metaphor, it just meant that it caused feat throughout the ship's crew. And it just means Master Builder merely shook out of fear.
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ok what about this scale for speed
immeasurable reaction speed
The Didact’s Battle Mode explicitly fragments time into multiple simultaneous temporal streams:
For me, under the influence of the Didact’s battle mode, time fragmented into several streams. I saw the movement of the installation in fast mode, but—in excruciating slow motion—directed the Falco to avoid bursts of plasma energy and disintegrating swift attack vessels. Part of me seemed to fight through many lifetimes, through clouds of fighters and debris, away from ever-increasing danger.
This shows that the Didact’s perception and reactions are not bound to a single linear flow of time, as he processes and responds to events occurring at different temporal rates simultaneously.
To be bound to linear time:
- All perceptions and reactions must occur within one timeline
- Events must be ordered as before → during → after under the same clock
but from the qoute “time fragmented into several streams” - Time is no longer singular
- There is more than one temporal flow
- These streams coexist simultaneously
his perception is no longer tied to one timeline.
(S = D / T).
- There is no single time value
- Time is fragmented into several streams
- Some events are perceived in fast mode
- Others in excruciating slow motion
- All at the same moment
so the reaction cant be measured
Per VS Battles Wiki rules, movement or reactions unbound from linear time qualify for Immeasurable speed.
Also large intelligence upgrade to extraordinary genius
The didact was able to
Capable of processing the combined sensory experiences of thousands of Promethean Forerunner Warriors at once. A similar process left a modern Human A.I unable to understand what it was seeing, managing to comprehend only a tenth of it:
Human A.I are amusingly simple to him. For the sake of comparison, Sif - a 1st or 2nd generation AI who ended service in 2525 - could transmit all of Shakespeare’s plays in individual files for every human language and dialect - past or present - as well as all of the other Renaissance playwrights’ in the same way, before doubling back and sending him translations of every play from 5 BCE to the 25th century. She did all of this in the space of a few seconds, little more than a conversation pause that’s only noticeable because AI do not pause:
proof for the sif ai part
He and Faber created Mendicant Bias, who along with Offensive Bias was by far the joint second most advanced artificial intelligence ever created, only surpassed by the Precursors’ Abaddon. A single one of Mendicant Bias’ countless shards prevented Cortana from stopping Anodyne Spirit from launching
And cortana has extraordianry genius, so the didact creating an ai vastly superior to cortana and any other existing ai other than abbadon .
The Forerunners have accessed and visited multiple other dimensions/spaces, including but not limited to: slipspace, shunspace, trick geodetics, the photon-only realm known as the Glow etc.
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Absolutely none of that is listed in the scan you shown me, and sounds like you're interpreting a fairly basic dimensional travel feat as an "Ability to travel through multiple temporal dimensions." Not a single thing there is a speed feat let alone an Immeasurable speed one.
I could see Extraordinary Genius if he has coding/hacking feats comparable to Cortana; though he is obviously not "Vastly superior" to her intellect. Especially when Cortana hacking parts of the Mantle's Approach and managing to get the upper hand against him was his literal undoing in the end of Halo 4.
This is still just Dimensional Travel, nothing more. Simply having access to travel to various pocket dimensions wouldn't grant many other things else.
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In the scan it mentions, time fragmented to several streams
and ot also mentions how he sees some things in speed and some things in slow motion at the same time
hence that makes t - time undefined . Time is therefore not experienced as a single before–after sequence, but as multiple concurrent temporal streams
also he also sometimes does get the upperhand of cortana like in halo 4 when he manipulated chief and cortana into freeing him, also hacked infiinity systems
- Via various mechanical means Forerunners are capable of archiving or transferring organic minds to digital states, creating constructs from which they can perfectly imitate the functions of sentient organisms (including Humans and Forerunners) whilst preserving their memories, personalities and intellect for analysis. For example, Genemender, a Forerunner himself and several other humans (who are all archived personality constructs saved during the devastation of the Halo) later encounter the still living Chakas in the form of hard light holograms indistinguishable from the real thing in all but odor, offering him an opportunity to effectively remain immortal as an archive personality without being aware of their own deaths. Later Chakas himself is saved via the same process, transferring his mind into one of the many entities that would later become the ancilla 343 Guilty Spark.
The Forerunners can also remove the dimension of time entirely in a space enclosed by a stasis field, as stated by Halsey during her exchange with Kurt.
Isnt like creating an ai thats smarter than cortana and can survive 43 years against logic plague from a precursor, outsmarting cortana a few times constantly outsmarting human ai, make him somewhat comparable to her, even in halo 4 a rampant cortana states she coudnt fight the didact just before the composer was fired.
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That's time deceleration; last paragraph slipped but it's still underwhelming compared to what you interpret it as. It's got nothing to do with transcending time, moving forward or backward in time with ease. or moving faster than instantaneous. Time dilation as in it's limited time manipulation for specific fields and acceleration for other fields. There is nothing Immeasurable here.
The statement about "Excluded from time" is another thing taken completely out of context. It just means traveling through slipspace is a common method for taking short cuts to get to interstellar distances via dimensional travel; since it's stated many times throughout the series that spaceships capable of FTL velocities is physically impossible. And it's only ever been hypothesized in universe that Slipspace could possibly enable people to travel to alternate universes, but there's no actual demonstrations; hence what causes a lot of confusions.
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its not time decelaration
The sentence proves that
"fragmented into several streams."
time Deceleration is a 1D change (one line getting slower)(A single temporal flow). Fragmentation is non-linear. If the character is experiencing and acting in multiple distinct streams of time at once, they are effectively performing Parallel Processing across time.
This is qualitatively different from simple dilation.
Dilation = one stream, altered rate
Fragmentation = multiple coexisting streams
u argue entirely that this is just "deceleration" (slowing time) or "acceleration" (speeding it up), but Dilation and acceleration are 1-Dimensional changes—they affect the rate of a single flow of time. The scan explicitly states time "fragmented into several streams"
My main argument is
If time is no longer a single line (1D), but a collection of streams (multiple temporal dimensions), the standard speed formula
breaks because
T is no longer a single, measurable value. This is why i mentioned imeasurable speed Immeasurable Speed.
Also ur saying that thats just time accelaration and limited time manipulation but "acceleration" and "deceleration" happen on a single line of time. If you have "several streams,"(at the same time ) you no longer have a single line; you have a multi-dimensional temporal manifold.
If a character is acting across multiple streams of time simultaneously, they are unbound by linear time
IM not just just "moving fast" on the track im are running on ten different tracks at the same time.
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also what i meant to say fully is if the didact continously found human ai simple, outsmated cortana a few times, hacked the entire Infinity system,Capable of processing the combined sensory experiences of thousands of Promethean Forerunner Warriors at once, be invlolved in creating alot of forerunner tech one including the 2nd most powerful ai in the galaxy which could construct plans against the old more powerful flood (which had 100s of graveminds some even as big as planets ) and also be able to resist the primordial logic plague for 43 years
considering this could he be extraordinary genius ?
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"Fragmented into several streams" means absolutely nothing compared to what you're proposing. I means nothing about the existence of more than one temporal dimension. And there are no reaction feats for any specific character, it's slipspace chambers being used to distort things beyond even the Forerunner's own control. And they do not manipulated planes of higher infinities, they manipulate temporal flows within limited finite sized fields smaller than the Milky Way Galaxy.
Nonsequiter, splitting a river does not increase multiple spatial dimensions. Likewise, having more than one field having their temporal fields distorted doesn't mean anything if both the individual and collective sizes are insufficient. Using time dilation on 2 or more fields that are collectively smaller than a galaxy < one temporal field covering the entire galaxy < one covering the entire universe. Which none of the latter two happens. You're basically comparing 2 or more glasses of water and claiming that "This is multiple oceans."This is qualitatively different from simple dilation.
Dilation = one stream, altered rate
Fragmentation = multiple coexisting streams
u argue entirely that this is just "deceleration" (slowing time) or "acceleration" (speeding it up), but Dilation and acceleration are 1-Dimensional changes—they affect the rate of a single flow of time. The scan explicitly states time "fragmented into several streams"
My main argument is
If time is no longer a single line (1D), but a collection of streams (multiple temporal dimensions), the standard speed formula
breaks because
Because they're not even effecting the entirety of the milky way galaxy, the 3-D spatial volume of it is still smaller than the milky way galaxy. Sometimes, character use time manipulation fields that really only effect small circles; hence very limited. Accelerating an apple's aging process via time acceleration while increasing the longevity of another by slowing down time is not the same thing as manipulating Tier 1 sized structures. And most importantly, it has nothing to do with speed let alone on Immeasurable scale. Immeasurable speed is the ability to move forward and backward in time casually as if it was a temporal dimension; no one and nothing in the Halo universe ever demonstrated anything close to that. There are no confirmed cases of traveling back in time, and the fact that Forerunners and Precursors where canonically killed by explosions that were both less than galaxy level and finite speed proves that what you're proposing is completely untrue.
I never said he couldn't be Extraordinary Genius, I merely said other things. Him being "Many times smarter than any human created AI" is kind of exaggerated. Didact's character is that he is a condescending egomaniac who thinks he's above everyone else even when he is obviously not invincible. They created AIs that in theory tend to be more advanced than various human created AIs, but not all of them are that smart. Most Prometheans for example are literally like mindless drones who do nothing except blindly follow orders, and their programming also sometimes do not notice a grenade before it explodes. And yes, there appear to be feats where he outsmarted Cortana's programming and coding skills, which in itself does mean he could be Extraordinary scaling from her. But it shouldn't be overblown to suddenly say "He is the smartest guy ever." In Halo 4's ending, he kind of pulled a Dr Doofenshmirtz and underestimated Cortana; which was his undoing.
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first do you even agree
To get immeasurable speed characters only need to move in a way that is unbound by linear time
“A character can have Infinite/Immeasurable speed in a small area if they can process across several temporal streams simultaneously, as this makes their movement unbound by the singular linear flow of time outside that area.”
Having multiple fragments of of perception of time simultaniously makes the t undefiened granting you immeasurable speed
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also i agree he may not be vastly superior but he is defenitly comparable if not superior to cortana and other human ais, and cortana and other unsc ais are extraordinary genius right?
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You are taking those words out of context and overblowing them out of proportion.
Also, the word "Fragment" literally proves that there is no "Multitude of temporal dimensions" being traveled. A dimension needs to be infinite in scale in order to qualify as a true spatial or temporal dimension. Which your words of "Fragment" means fraction. Also, "Multiple timelines" doesn't mean multiple temporal dimensions. Otherwise, Dragon Ball Super would be 1-B, or destroying infinite universes would be High 1-B.
No one is "Physically moving across multiple temporal dimensions" like you seem to be mispresenting. The scan you linked is just talking about how Halo Arrays where generating light at a 25000 lightyear radius. The text appears to be saying metaphorical things or how it travels using slipstream space. There's a lot of loops and corners making it appear faster than omnidirectional light rays appear. If it weren't for slipspace, a Halo Array would take 25000 years individually to reach end point, but it's omnidirectional status combined with there being so many slipspace portals are enabling it to travel the full area in shorter timeframes due to technically taking so many shortcuts all at once. And no one "Reacts to its attack speed" per say, it's more of a "People can see shooting stars move due to how bright and far away they are from us making it look smaller and slower than it actually is." This doesn't mean us normal humans have High Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic reactions.
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No, there are plenty of times where "Infinite time streams" rejected High 1-B upgrades and people even doubted 2-A stuff for statements like that. You keep assuming the absolute nonsensical highest highball, which is a various serious problem.
But when it comes to making Low 1-C and above, each dimension needs a "Qualitive superiority" description. Which there is none here. And it's why "aborting baby universes that have not even been born yet" is not Tier 2.
But it's too small to make a difference + it's not a real temporal axis but imaginary ones. And there is nothing supporting your argument.
No one is "Experiencing multiple timeflows simultaneously", this is bald faced wank with no evidence.
No, it just means the coordinates of the ship where set before the Halo Array started firing, and it traveled to safety in autopilot before that. There was no reaction speed, not Immeasurable attack speed (Not even from Halo Arrays), and no Immeasurable flight speed. It used slipstream space to travel to safety slightly before Halo Array fired its blast, that's it. There are 0 reaction speeds to speak of.
It just means, that it fired in different directions. Some of the radio waves went through slipspace portals that trasported them to bigger distances while others went through portals that transferred smaller distances. There is nothing about it traveling backwards in time, and it wasn't even instant, which means it's less than infinite speed and therefore less than Immeasurable.
My point exactly as that no one dodged the blast of the Halo Array nor did anyone physically outpace it, they escaped the firing range before it was even fired. AKA Aim Dodging, which is not speed. It's also painfully obvious that Didact doesn't have Immeasurable reactions considering the 1000's of anti-feats. Such as why he is reliant on ships to travel places in the first place to, the numerous times various projectiles have blitzed him and others comparable if not superior to him. Even the Precersors (Who are allegedly above the Forerunners) couldn't save themselves from the Halo Array blast and where blitzed and incinerated by it.
Anyway, since it appears you do not seem to have anything meaningful to say any further other than spouting out the same non-sequitur nonsense, I may need to close the thread. I have applied the Extraordinary Genius upgrade since that part looked reasonable, but everything else you keep bombarding has still been unproven or keeps getting overbloated.
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when i meant to say immeaurable speed is with his battle mode ability outside of it i know he and other chracater dont have that level of speed, but with it i thought he had
thats why it sounded very odd
But i understand your other points
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also one question do u guys still accept the incarceration cannon as multi city block or small town level calc
and btw both master chief and didact should have atleast class 100 lifting strenght
here is says spartans can bench press tanks (average spartans ),
and tanks are 66 tons https://www.halopedia.org/M808B_Scorpion
this means stronger spartans like chief can lift similar or mroe and the didact gets upscaled alot by it too
Also one more feat chief has is lifting a 166 tons granite boulder
we get the 166 tons calculation by the boulder being the size of a warthog
A warthog dimensions is Length: 6.3 metres, Width: 3metres, Height: 3.2 metres
we multiply these to get 60.48 metres cube
So using mass equal to volume times density formula
density of granite is 2750kg/metres cube
60.48 times 2750 is 166 thousand kg , which is 166 tons
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"They beam was used a lever to lift the boulder"
The calc is based on the assumption that the beam was used as a lever, which is false. They lifted the beam with the boulder on top of it meaning that it was actually additional weight instead of acting as a lever.
Nothing in the scene suggests a lever aided in the lift. Not only is that simply never stated to begin with, it doesn't really align with how the scene plays out either. The boulder is on top of the beam and the Spartans are underneath the beam and boulder together. They couldn't use it as a lever because the boulder is right on top of them. There's no mechanical advantage if the load and lift are occurring the same distance from the fulcrum (which doesn't exist in the scene to begin with).
Additionaly someone did a calc here calculating it 5 tons(assuming it had the lever aided the lift) which actually goes against what they say as 5 tons is much more ridicoulous to say then 150 tons, as spartans in older armor have easily lifted 10-15 tons the fact that two very strong ones in newer better armour struggled with 5 tons saying it was near their limit does not make sense.
Another attempt was "John was aided by Kelly in the lift, thus the weight lifted should be divided by 2"
this is missing alot of context. Yes, the duo lifts the boulder simultaneously during the scene. They also each lift the boulder individually in the scene as well. The exact order of events is: John and Kelly lift the beam together > Kelly supports the weight of the beam solo as John transitions > John lifts the beam solo > Kelly transitions to help with the lift > Kelly leaves and John is left to support the weight of the beam solo.
Using this to propose chief and didact get class k lifting strenght
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There was a Town level feat; however, we decided to avoid upgrading anyone's durability from it. No one has ever canonically tanked it per say, as having portions of your body vaporized piece by piece isn't a solid durability feat. And certain bosses being able to withstand a shot in gameplay without getting one-shotted is just game mechanics. But ultimately, even outside of game mechanics, there is only evidence of its tier 7 rating being pure heat; and no evidence of its blunt force trauma exceeding 9-A or so levels. Joules of pure heat are for multiple reasons underwhelming durability scaling wise compared to Joules of overpressure of the same value. If an attack is mostly heat, there isn't really evidence that targets absorb all its energy instantly unless the target is bigger than the blast; thermal equilibrium makes stuff like that significantly less impressive. But more over, being able to absorb x joules of thermal energy =/= being able to withstand x joules of overpressure.
Uh no, this is not a valid LS feat. Those are things that happen due to programmed physics engine. And moreover, it's at best something that would only scale as a Wall level striking strength feat; they use momentum to punch tanks which causes them to get flipped and such. It's another commonly repeated and rejected topic.
There's a lot of issues with your rough calculation. Boulders have a somewhat irregular shape, which makes it harder to determine exact size, but shouldn't be any lower than 100 tons. And the rest of your interpretation once again appears to be headcanon. And actually, you seem to overlooked the exact details of what actually happened. Neither John, nor Kelly, nor the beam were lifting the entirety of the boulder. Nor did any of them lift the entirety of the beam, they simply used it as an improvised farming tool to crank it up. This video basically summarizes how feats like that work.
But Didact may be upgraded to Class K upscaling from Fal Chavamee' perhaps. Fal is a class of his own significantly stronger than other Sangheili and by extension most Spartans due to scaling from a much older era Hunter that was 3 times taller and 27x larger than your average hunter. But ancient Forerunners shouldn't be any weaker than even them. But Master Chief, other spartans, or Thel Vadam, as Didact is in a class much higher than all of them.
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i understand for the boulder feat, but i think for the first ls feat i mentioned the one i said spartans can benchpress tanks, in the video u need to go right at the end, like last 2-3 seconds he mentions it
u cannot use momentum to punch tanks that dossent help benchpressing them (if u meant that )
Yeah the didact is likely superior to any covenant members , he could get upscaled to class k with that 500 ton feat from fal
also i know the composer is considered hax and not ap but is this accurate https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Halo:_The_Composer_revisited.#articleComments
also could this mean didact has class m LS
Halo: Lifting Strength Compilation
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That's just the YouTuber's headcanon and poor word usage. They've never "Bench pressed a Scorpion tank" in canon as far as I can tell. The lifted Warthogs before; albeit struggled. That pod they lifted in "The Baby Sitter" was also only like 500 kg. Still, they were talking about the in game physics where they can flip tanks due to faulty programming when they punch. Which is not only invalid, but also not a LS feat even if it was.
There was no comments from Calc Group members, so they cannot be used until someone evaluates and accepts.also i know the composer is considered hax and not ap but is this accurate https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Halo:_The_Composer_revisited.#articleComments
also could this mean didact has class m LS
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There was no comments by calc group members for the halo lifting strenght compilation
but the composer one was accepted by them
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Ask here
Doesn't look like it, Antvasima simply gave you instructions on where to ask. He's not a calc group member. No comments from Calc Group members yet.
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the composer one said Psychomaster35 replied under it
this is the composer one https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Halo:_The_Composer_revisited.#articleComments
the one u sent me was the halo lfiting strenght compilations.
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Nvm then, but he only accepted the math. But it was agreed we shouldn't use it for power scaling purposes.
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what exactly was the reason its not ap, the person in the post says advanced form of Information/Memory Manipulation, and not trannsmutation
the device projected a beam of orange light which completely reduces the targeted individuals to ash in a rather gruesome manner, flaying their skin, muscle, and bones in an agonizing sequence. This is seemingly a byproduct of the machine's original design as a means to combat the Flood, allowing the complete destruction of infected biomass in a manner similar to certain Forerunner weapons designed to completely atomize their targets (meaning it has ap components) (similar to other weapons which ionize)
the main points being its not transmutation and destroys bodys to ash having physical effects
it was posted just a year back, and he was contending that it was ap instead of hax
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There are a lot of vague, unknown details on how it works, and we do not normally treat digital transmutation feats. Forerunner weapons "Atomizing their targets" was never confirmed via sources but only assumed. Obviously, lots of users in the past overlooked what cremation, vaporization, ionization, and atomization all mean and assume 2 or more of those mean the same thing; they do not. But burning to ashes is just cremation and not vaporization or atomization. And Forerunner weapons are designed to "Ionize" targets, not atomize. Ionization means heat to plasma.
When I said, "Shouldn't be used for powerscaling purposes" I meant it's at best within the same ballpark as our Environmental Destruction policies. Just because there are some valid calculations doesn't mean surviving/tanking it is a valid durability feat. The original purpose of the Composer was for Forerunners was that it wasn't originally a weapon per say, but they use it to transform themselves into robots with recorded memories transferred; which in turn granted them immortality. And it also in turn made them unable to be effected by flood infestation due to lacking biomass; which is what is meant by "Repurposed as a weapon against the Flood." But then modern day uses are force brainwashing humans.
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can we scale the energy jsut based on how it it turns the bare bodies to ashes using cremation, and that blog post proved how it Information/Memory Manipulation not transmutation, we know the composer is heat energy, with alot of overpressure, its possibly similar to forerunner weapons, when chief got resistance to the composer it was to not be digitalzed by the Information/Memory Manipulation, but the composers attack which was fired still got through his shields and the attack was building level , if the librarian made him completely immune to it in the way u sought of say how it works he would have been completely unnaffected.
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Using Master Chief's durability rating to guess work overpressure would be calc stacking. And I so no evidence of there being nuclear overpressure generated and in fact; it's very strongly evident that there was barely any actual overpressure if at all over the simple fact that none of the buildings, vehicles, or ground were damaged. And even using the heat value; I get tired of constantly repeating myself over and over again. But it takes little to no durability to withstand raw heat.
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Check this calc again for the halo lifting strenght one, both methods been accepted by calc group members (I think)
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Also i get that cremation wount work due to pure heat, and the composer dosent have any overpressure,
Why was master chief partially still affected by the composer iff he had immunity to it ?
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"Immunity" is just of an exaggerated word, he was resistant would be more accurate because of Genesong. What we demonstratively see it happen to Master Chief getting knocked out via tasing; which means there may also be some degree of electricity generated from the Composer, but I do not think there is any proper way to calculate anything without getting into Calc Stacking territory. But going off the scale individual humans were absorbing was 2.665 Megawatts, using this calculator, I roughly got 2,647.4 C as the temperature yield. As for Master Chief, he is larger than a human, so going from 0.68 m^2 to 1.03 m^2 and emissivity being 0.2 to 0.3 (Which is what polished Titanium's Emissivity is 849,840 to 1,274,759 watts. So if we want to find calculated durability from the feat, it be underwhelming at best.
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also do u think grade 1 titanium alloy is fair analogue for forerunner metal
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Also i think the didact can have the ability Psychometry
as proven here he uses scanners to veiw peoples memories
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