Low 1-A Honkai Upgrade

[PedjaTarzan]

Do you think they can affect Aeons lel? Honestly not even sure if Cyrene should scale; she didn’t revert anything about Nous just Irontomb’s blast which is inherently only 1-B

Really Irontomb is also functionally 1-B, he only gets Low 1-A through his connection to Nous so it’s barely combat-applicative

You can make Cyrene low 1-A via nous amp + remembrance
Irontomb and Phainon at their peak and eventually l1-A after coronating to nous
thats all

So I’m back, basically, outside of the Cocoon, what are the general reasons for 1-B in HI3 t? Cuz I really do need to know who exactly would qualify for Low 1-A here and who wouldn’t

What Unqver said + welt vs zephyro
keep low 1-A for CoF Kiana only

 

[Vietthai96]

I have a feeling you guys gonna make everyone Possibly Low 1-A

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I have a feeling you guys gonna make everyone Possibly Low 1-A

Nope. I can assure nope. Complete Irontomb and Post Fuli Gaze Cyrene are on a completely different level from Emanators

 

[SuperNova55555]

You can make Cyrene low 1-A via nous amp + remembrance
Irontomb and Phainon at their peak and eventually l1-A after coronating to nous
thats all

What Nous amp lel. Did I miss something

Also I’m iffy about Phainon icl. I don’t think its too farfetched to put everyone who scales to the 33 million coreflames at Low 1-A but “scratching an Aeon” doesn’t seem nearly the sorta feat I’d think fits for Low 1-A since technically every feat in Path Space is theoretically Low 1-A (just not combat-applicative) and the “combat-applicative” thing is the Aeons full-power (which Phainon doesn’t scale to).

I have a feeling you guys gonna make everyone Possibly Low 1-A

I really only have in mind Kiana, Aeons and Irontomb

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

What Nous amp lel. Did I miss something

Her and Stelle were gazed by Nous and empowered by the erudition

 

[PedjaTarzan]

What Nous amp lel. Did I miss something

Also I’m iffy about Phainon icl. I don’t think its too farfetched to put everyone who scales to the 33 million coreflames at Low 1-A but “scratching an Aeon” doesn’t seem nearly the sorta feat I’d think fits for Low 1-A since technically every feat in Path Space is theoretically Low 1-A (just not combat-applicative) and the “combat-applicative” thing is the Aeons full-power (which Phainon doesn’t scale to).
Irontomb

Point is that Phainon did that without being genuine emanator and that his feat is regarded as “legendary” by both zandar and jing yuan who are literal emanators
and its not like its just 10s of peak power and then he dies, but i wont stop you from doing that either

 

[SuperNova55555]

Her and Stelle were gazed by Nous and empowered by the erudition

When Nous spoke to us?

Because what I’m reading here is just Erudtion (Herta) and Cyrene (Remembrance) working together.

 

[Vietthai96]

I really only have in mind Kiana, Aeons and Irontomb

And Acheron who is suppose to be able to kill XI?

 

[SuperNova55555]

And Acheron who is suppose to be able to kill XI?

I generally disagree with the point that characters should scale to Aeons through “Paths” or whatever. Because it’s literally just saying that with enough Path Energy, they become Aeon-level… but that’s applicable to literally every atom in the verse. Point is that at the current moment, the Lord Ravagers and whatever aren’t Aeon-level so honestly it should just be removed as it’s not even applicable in VS matches. Same thing for Acheron honestly. Truly the potential woman of all time

And she even has an anti-feat in regards to being explicitly weaker than nigh-Aeon Sunday. Tho, obviously it’s the same sorta situation as Irontomb and Nous wherein the former is incapable of killing any Aeon aside from the latter.

 

[Voidnether]

And Acheron who is suppose to be able to kill XI?

Uh, no, since that would just make all the Lord Ravagers Low 1-A, Evernight and Lord Ravager Jingliu on that tier

I propose it to be those that are actually near Aeon level like Cyrene, Completed Irontomb and Ena Sunday since like, Cyrene could theoretically become Fuli themselves in the end of time anyway

 

[SuperNova55555]

Possibly Low 1-A (The Imaginary Singularity, which exists within Imaginary Space, is the source of all space that simultaneously exists in every spatial dimension with itself being non-dimensional. The Imaginary Space itself is a realm wherein all quantitative differentiation is absolved and Real things are merely the projection of those objects in Imaginary Space, and as it contains the essence of everything in the universe, all things eventually converge back to it in unity. Meaning, since the Singularity—and conversely the Space itself—is the unity of all dimensions and space into their negation [as it doesn’t possess dimensionality nor real spatiality], it delimits differentiation between every axis encompassed by it which implies that it is capable of affecting any higher spatial dimension without requiring any additional effort)

That’s for Kiana, as for Aeons we can generally copy-paste the same thing or just link the explanation to Kianas profile and then add:

(…Aeons are beings who’ve ascended and overtook a specific part of the Imaginary, becoming identified with that concept itself, and controlling the Path Energy responsible for manifesting all things relating to the notion they represent. As such, they’re capable of manifesting the maximal potential of Imaginary Space which corresponds to their concept into Real Space)

As for Irontomb, I think just explaining that it scales to Nous is good enough

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Khaslana and the stone hearts?

(Actually the ten stonehearts have to probably be my crt)

 

[Vietthai96]

Rather put that Imaginary Space explanation into cosmology blog

 

[SuperNova55555]

Khaslana

Possibly Possibly Low 1-A

Rather put that Imaginary Space explanation into cosmology blog

What do we write on the profile then?

Possibly Low 1-A (Is the Imaginary Singularity)?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

(Actually the ten stonehearts have to probably be my crt)

Updated OP here ig

Honkai: Star Rail Aeon of Philosophy Sunday 2

Well, this is funny. The new update outright confirmed my old CRT but retconned the hell out of the profile. Sunday's Dominicus key should be outright nuked. Every single bit got retconned by the true ending of Penacony. Sunday should get 2 keys titled False God and Aeon of Philosophy. In the...

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[Vietthai96]

What do we write on the profile then?
Possibly Low 1-A (Is the Imaginary Singularity)?

Yeah

 

[Weaver261]

i never see such a thing in my entire life playing the game

As a HSR lore enjoyer, I have never seen that either lmao....Real space in Honkai is explicitly stated as 4D. Someone do elaborate so that I don't have to read 11 pages T - T

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Complete Irontomb shouldn't be just Possibly Low 1-A with only Self-Coronation?

 

[SuperNova55555]

As a HSR lore enjoyer, I have never seen that either lmao....Real space in Honkai is explicitly stated as 4D. Someone do elaborate so that I don't have to read 11 pages T - T

Can I have where this is stated cuz it doesn’t seem implied by the scans I’ve read

 

[Weaver261]

Can I have where this is stated cuz it doesn’t seem implied by the scans I’ve read

Generally speaking, within our experiments we have tested a constant relationship (such as that of the length or size of objects, the order which time follows, increments of speed, etc.) which have allowed us to determine that there is only a single space in which they exist at the same time, and is also the four dimensional space around us (the only space of real numbers).

If this four dimensional space (3 spatial + 1 temporal) is seen as a single “World Sphere”, then all the space outside of this sphere would be Imaginary Space. Imaginary Spaces can exist in infinite amounts.

The scan in chinese

 

[Shiroiyo]

I feel like any extra scaling should be done in a different thread, just update those who are in the OP and leave anything else for another crt.

 

[Unqver]

As a HSR lore enjoyer, I have never seen that either lmao....Real space in Honkai is explicitly stated as 4D. Someone do elaborate so that I don't have to read 11 pages T - T

That is only the leaf world Hi3 take place in.

 

[SuperNova55555]

The scan in chinese

This is just saying that the Space outside of that specific universe is Imaginary Space and that our universe is 4-dimensional? What are the 11 dimensions in the other scans referring to then because the Singularity isn’t 11-dimensional

 

[Weaver261]

That is only the leaf world Hi3 take place in.

Every leaf world is 4D buddy.

The Imaginary Tree is a theory of the universe widely accepted by the modern scientific community.

This theory describes the various worlds existing in different spacetimes as having a tree-like structure.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Is this about to be some shit of Tree = Leaf again

 

[SuperNova55555]

Every leaf world is 4D buddy.

This is implicitly referring to multiple Space-Times whereas the previous scan only talks about a single on

 

[Weaver261]

This is just saying that the Space outside of that specific universe is Imaginary Space and that our universe is 4-dimensional? What are the 11 dimensions in the other scans referring to then because the Singularity isn’t 11-dimensional

The cosmology structure is brain dead simple ngl. You got star systems of various sizes which are four dimensional spacetimes. Due to all of them existing on the Imaginary Tree, they all share 11D which in turn Sea Of Quanta mimics. All Imaginary domains are in 5D+. Nothing can get more simple than that xD

 

[Voidnether]

12-D is off Otto Apocalypse's transcendence over reality iirc and became part of the Tree, and the reality there is supposedly 11-D or something

Another Hoyoverse Downgrade | 1-B to High 1-C

Qualitative is only for 1-A and H1-A, not L1-A. Alr.

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[Unqver]

Every leaf world is 4D buddy.

Bubble worlds in the sea of quanta, also fallen leaves, are 11-D. Whatever tbh, this doesn't seem relevant.

 

[Weaver261]

Bubble worlds in the sea of quanta, also fallen leaves, are 11-D. Whatever tbh, this doesn't seem relevant.

Fallen Leave world isn't 11D by itself, it inherits extra 7D from the SoQ.

And these “Bubble Worlds”, for all 11 dimensions possessed by the “Ether Bathtub”, have their own “choice” in their inheritance.

We should do a different thread for discussing whether real space should be 1-B or just L2-C. Ofc, I am in favor of L2-C real space :3

 

[SuperNova55555]

The cosmology structure is brain dead simple ngl. You got star systems of various sizes which are four dimensional spacetimes. Due to all of them existing on the Imaginary Tree, they all share 11D which in turn Sea Of Quanta mimics. All Imaginary domains are in 5D+. Nothing can get more simple than that xD

So are you saying the imaginary energy between galaxies is Imaginary Space…?

 

[Weaver261]

So are you saying the imaginary energy between galaxies is Imaginary Space…?

I mean you could say so since the first scan I sent also say every space outside real space is imaginary

 

[SuperNova55555]

I mean you could say so since the first scan I sent also say every space outside real space is imaginary

Ye that seems extremely odd especially when we see the functions of Path Space.

 

[Voidnether]

So are you saying the imaginary energy between galaxies is Imaginary Space…?

Gyazo

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[Le'garde273]

So are you saying the imaginary energy between galaxies is Imaginary Space…?

More precisely, the space between leaves i guess?

Before the theory of Imaginary Tree was put forward , the Universe had been addressed as “a void and indiscernible object” because of its unobservable nature. After the theory was developed, people would outline its working principle using imagination: The untamed imaginary energy surges endlessly through space-time vasculature, and forms at its tips what we know as “star systems”- that is, countless worlds. And between each world, just as their is a separation of space between leaves, there is Imaginary Space that is difficult to traverse.

 

[Vietthai96]

Every leaf world is 4D buddy.

Tbf, being called space-time doesn't mean much, you can have infinite dimesional space-time. But well, Otto did called Bubble and Leaf World 4D space-time

 

[PedjaTarzan]

More precisely, the space between leaves i guess?

its imaginary barrier consisting of imaginary energy and you need to travel across img space to ignore it (literally what emanators do)

 

[SuperNova55555]

More precisely, the space between leaves i guess?

Why did u bring such a bad translation for ts lel

Tbf, being called space-time doesn't mean much, you can have infinite dimesional space-time. But well, Otto did called Bubble and Leaf World 4D space-time

What I’m wondering, cuz if the space between galaxies is actually the 11D Imaginary Space then there’s genuinely nothing Low 1-A about this.

I have no knowledge on Hi3 so I’m left confused here but if Imaginary Space is just the 11D bulk then this is so ass. Maybe we’d even have to downgrade a few characters atp

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Why did u bring such a bad translation for ts lel


What I’m wondering, cuz if the space between galaxies is actually the 11D Imaginary Space then there’s genuinely nothing Low 1-A about this.

I have no knowledge on Hi3 so I’m left confused here but if Imaginary Space is just the 11D bulk then this is so ass. Maybe we’d even have to downgrade a few characters atp

its literally explained what img space is on hoyo cosmo page and i elaborated it on 100 times
most of other img spaces (case and point elysian realm and img barriers that separate star systems) are not actual img space but rather either imaginary domain (FG otto church) or anything thats made up of img energy that would require you traveling across img space to ignore it
also hoyo sucks at terminology when IT is called universe (zandar and IT theory), galaxy (also zandar) and multiverse (IX)

 

[Weaver261]

Why did u bring such a bad translation for ts lel


What I’m wondering, cuz if the space between galaxies is actually the 11D Imaginary Space then there’s genuinely nothing Low 1-A about this.

I have no knowledge on Hi3 so I’m left confused here but if Imaginary Space is just the 11D bulk then this is so ass. Maybe we’d even have to downgrade a few characters atp

Wdym nothing L1-A? Do elaborate further