Surtalogi CRT: Feats, Scaling to the Heavenly Principles, and God-Tier

[The_Tetromino_King]

No Sinner should scale to Surtalogi for the simple reason that he became stronger after leaving Teyvat. Skirk explicitly confirms that he evolved individually and grew more powerful, which proves that any feats Surtalogi performed post–Teyvat should not be applied to any Sinner. However, Surtalogi can be scaled above any Sinner due to the fact that he possesses the all-encompassing power of the Abyss.

Surtalogi should scale directly to the Heavenly Principles, the Shades, and Nibelung, as he is labeled a “higher power,” a term explicitly associated with the Shades and the Heavenly Principles themselves. Additionally, he is confirmed to be the strongest being in the universe, which logically includes the entities mentioned above. He also defeated the strongest being in the entire universe, which would logically place the opponent he defeated on a level comparable to the Heavenly Principles and Nibelung.

Furthermore, Surtalogi possesses the power to remove the curse of immortality, a curse stated to be inflicted at the level of the Shades. One cannot remove such a curse without existing at—or above—that level of existence. His power is also beyond the scope of comprehension even for the Traveler, who has experienced the powers of Asmoday, Ronova, and even the Moon Goddesses.

Surtalogi is a higher being for whom physical form is irrelevant. This places him on par with the Heavenly Principles, if not above them, given that he is already many times stronger than the world itself, which includes Teyvat. Since he is currently the strongest being in the universe—and the universe includes the Sovereigns and the Heavenly Principles—this scaling is consistent.

None of this is self-glazing, as the developers themselves have confirmed that Surtalogi is indeed this powerful.

1. Became literally the strongest in the entire universe:,
   
   Skirk listened quietly. She couldn't fathom that the life of such a universe-shaking villain could be "boring."
   
   "After seeking the strongest warriors the universe has to offer, there may no longer be any further strength for me to seek."
   
   "How did that story go again? 'Distance is measured by the heart, and my heart is slightly larger than the universe.'"
   
   "Once the whole universe becomes my front lawn, all I shall see from then on will be two anthills waging pint-sized war... I shall be in my prime then — and at my most weary."
2. Surtalogi calamity across the entire cosmos:,
   
   "Calamity unfolds across the universe"
3. Is many times stronger than teyvat and have the willpower to be many times stronger than teyvat:,
   
   "Master, since you mentioned that your group once divided enough Abyssal power amongst yourselves to overturn an entire world — or at least a sixth of it..."
   
   "How is it that you are now many times stronger than an entire world, even when alone?"
   
   "Did I save an idiot back then?"
   
   "Listen well. When the fruit of a tree dies, its seeds are sown in the rotten soil. Naturally, these seeds may grow into stronger trees that bear harvests a hundred, or even a thousand times richer."
   
   "Even if only one or two survivors escape a doomed world, their will alone can become strong enough to reforge the very world they lost."
4. Genshin livestream confirms Surtalogi possesses All-encompassing Power. All livestreams are scripted and directed by Genshin devs:
   
   
5. Skirk confirms that Surtalogi evolved individually, so he shouldn't be compared to the average sinner:
   
   
6. Surtalogi power is incomprehensible, his power is absolute and crush all things:,
   
   Strange Creature: I'll let you in on a little secret — the real Surtalogi is terrifying.
   Strange Creature: The scope of his power is impossible to understand until you experience it first-hand. It is absolute — the power to crush all things.
7. Nothing in teyvat holds any interest to him and he have the power to break the curse of immortality, the same immortality exist in the level of existence of the shades:
   
   Surtalogi: This planet no longer holds anything of interest to me, so I'm leaving. But first, I have an offer. I can use a power I have just refined to break the curse of immortality for you.
   
8. Fate bends the knee to him.
   
   
9. He no diffed a weapon pooled by the resources of an entire star system, a god whom faith was among an entire civilization belief and the mighest warriors among billions:,
   
   She traveled across the universe with "The Foul," bearing witness to the trail of enemy graves he left in his wake.
   
   A weapon forged using the pooled resources of an entire star system. A god manifested by the unity of a whole civilization's beliefs. The mightiest warrior among billions...
   
   He buried them all. And as Skirk grew from the strength to strength, a revelation came upon her: Nobody had ever forced her master to use the true extent of his power.
   
   If it was a wicked beast, he ate its flesh. If it was a god or a machine, he absorbed its energy.
   
   If it was a warrior or mage, he played with his food — forcing them to use every trick in their book, then cutting them down once he tired of the charade.
   
   To her master, this was what it meant to "devour."
10. He defies fate and is unrestricted by anyone:,
    
    「罪恶侵染天幕，灾劫蔓延整个宇宙，再无人能限制你的自由。但你的命运仍与这个世界息息相关，就像不远的将来，你会将自己的弟子送到这里。」
    
    “Evil taints the heavens, and calamities spread throughout the universe—no one can restrict your freedom anymore. Yet your fate remains deeply intertwined with this world, just as in the near future, you will send your disciple here.”
    
    ——
    
    藐视命运的人曾从命运的手中带走一名少女。
    
    “A person who defied fate once took a girl from the hands of destiny
11. He physically opened the false sky with ease, a feat that should be 100% impossible according to Alice:,
    
    Alice: The second problem is with her plan to use the Moon Marrows to return to the moon. Unfortunately, piercing through the false sky will take an enormous amount of power. Alice Given her current condition, she won't be able to provide anywhere near enough power — even if she recovers her physical form.
    
    Barbeloth:
    "Khaenri'ah was home to several lakes of stars, rendering the fabric of space in that area comparatively unstable. As a result, attempts to break through the firmament through non-physical means were more likely to succeed."
    
    
12. He literally achieved higher power, a power that is beyond bending all creation to your will. Higher power have been applied only to the shades and heavenly principle:,
    
    Skirk also said to Childe in her character teaser: "When you've truly mastered tangible weapons, you'll be ready for the next level. Heaven and earth become your blades. All of creation bends to your will. After that, you can follow in my master's footsteps and seek even greater power."
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=injdhkGRoCs
13. Since he is a higher being, physicality is basically irrelevant to him:
    
    https://imgur.com/a/cbw6ZzQ
14. Surtalogi abyssal energy envelop the entire Universe:,
    
    https://imgur.com/a/CgMjNa2

Conclusion: He should scale at least to the Heavenly Principles, whether as an equal or above them, and should therefore be placed in God tier. This is supported both narratively in-game and by developer statements, which confirm that he is the strongest being in the entire universe—a universe that includes characters that are currently classified as God tier within the Genshin Impact cosmology.

Regarding Sinners scaling:
Agree: @Puppet43' @Sahlwrld @Frostyyyy12 @Natsuki012 @Furina003 @Insert_creative_name_here_12 @LoudestProcedure @PedjaTarzan @AsterReal @IReallyLoveRilysse @filinger_ @RemaxG1

Neutral:

Disagree:

Regarding Surtalogi scaling to Phanes/Nibelung:
Agree: @Frostyyyy12 @PedjaTarzan @AsterReal (Believes Surta is comparable to Nibelung/Phanes) @filinger_ @@RemaxG1

Neutral: @Voidnether (scales to Nibelung but not Phanes) @Insert_creative_name_here_12 @Furina003 @LoudestProcedure

Disagree: @Puppet43 @Sahlwrld @Natsuki012 @IReallyLoveRilysse


Regarding Surtalogi scaling to the Shades:
Agree: @Sahlwrld @Puppet43 @Insert_creative_name_here_12 @Furina003 @LoudestProcedure @PedjaTarzan @AsterReal @IReallyLoveRilysse @FentyBeauty @RemaxG1

Neutral:

Disagree:



Note: This is my first CRT in about 7–8 years, so please forgive me if I made any structural errors.

 

[MSahla]

I dont think this should be a content revision thing tbh.

 

[Puppet43]

Even do i agree no Sinner should scale to Surta, i heavely disagree with him scaling near Nibelung/Phanes (Btw i also disagree with anything Tier 2 related for now)

He physically opened the false sky with ease, a feat that should be 100% impossible according to Alice:,

Mavuika did it

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

I dont think this should be a content revision thing tbh.

I thought CRT was the place where you change a character’s tier or stats.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Even do i agree no Sinner should scale to Surta, i heavely disagree with him scaling near Nibelung/Phanes

So agree that no sinner should scale to surta but disagree that he shouldnt scale to phanes. Lemme edit

Mavuika did it

with Shades amp btw

 

[MSahla]

I thought CRT was the place where you change a character’s tier or stats.

The problem is.. The tier 2 could be gone.

 

[AsterReal]

Furthermore, Surtalogi possesses the power to remove the curse of immortality, a curse stated to be inflicted at the level of the Shades. One cannot remove such a curse without existing at—or above—that level of existence. His power is also beyond the scope of comprehension even for the Traveler, who has experienced the powers of Asmoday, Ronova, and even the Moon Goddesses.

Skirk can do this too. So unless he is also at the level of the four shadows, this argument makes no sense.

I cannot agree with this, because it is based solely on mentions by other characters. I believe that most of it was told to Skirk by Surtalogi. If one were generous, one would give it a "possibly" 3-A. It could probably have a "3-A" range with the supposed feat of covering the Universe with power from the abyss.

 

[Puppet43]

with Shades amp btw

So a shade could theorically break the false sky therefore the statment of alice is false

 

[Voidnether]

Skirk can do this too. So unless he is also at the level of the four shadows, this argument makes no sense.

I cannot agree with this, because it is based solely on mentions by other characters. I believe that most of it was told to Skirk by Surtalogi. If one were generous, one would give it a "possibly" 3-A. It could probably have a "3-A" range with the supposed feat of covering the Universe with power from the abyss.

The universe was always enveloped by the Abyss though? Voyager literally stated civilizations were in ruins (when it tried to convince Nibelung), we know this refer to like the Abyss because H.P refered it the same way when Abyss entered Teyvat for the 1st time

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

The problem is.. The tier 2 could be gone.

The thing is, I just want to scale Surtalogi to the top tiers of the verse, regardless of whether Tier 2 gets removed. Even if it were removed, the Sinners would be according to VSBW standard still be below the Shades and HP.

 

[MSahla]

I do not agree Surtalogi should scale to neither HP or Nibelung atp, i could still agree he's close to the Shades.

 

[AsterReal]

The universe was always enveloped by the Abyss though? Voyager literally stated civilizations were in ruins (when it tried to convince Nibelung), we know this refer to like the Abyss because H.P refered it the same way when Abyss entered Teyvat for the 1st time

Oh, yes. Well, I guess the range doesn't work either then.

 

[Puppet43]

I just want to scale Surtalogi to the top tiers of the verse

Nah i dont think that is possible as of rn

ven if it were removed, the Sinners would be according to VSBW standard still be below the Shades and HP.

The problem is that Shades/Sovereings should be below HP and Nibelung, something like

• Nibelung/Phanes = Tier 4C (Example)
• Shades/Sovereings/Sinners = 5B
• Etc

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Nah i dont think that is possible as of rn

The problem is that Shades/Sovereings should be below HP and Nibelung, something like

• Nibelung/Phanes = Tier 4C (Example)
• Shades/Sovereings/Sinners = 5B
• Etc

So do you hold the same opinion as @Sahlwrld scales to the shades but not the hp/phanes?

 

[Puppet43]

So do you hold the same opinion as @Sahlwrld scales to the shades but not the hp/phanes?

Yeah, but all Sinners should, not just Surta

 

[Voidnether]

The thing is, I just want to scale Surtalogi to the top tiers of the verse, regardless of whether Tier 2 gets removed. Even if it were removed, the Sinners would be according to VSBW standard still be below the Shades and HP.

I prefer Surtalogi to scale from like Corrupted Nibelung with Forbidden Knowledge tbh instead of the Heavenly Principles themselves. But in all honesty, Surtalogi on the other hand is pretty much similar to Boros and yet we can't say that he would've scaled to like the likes of Blast, Cosmic Garou, et cetera. The Heavenly Principles could've died all this time instead of sleeping and we probably wouldn't even know which is why I'd rather it scale to those that actually had correlations with Abyssal powers because Surtalogi genuinely just ignored the existence of the Shades when he proclaimed that

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

I edited the title to just God tier.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

I prefer Surtalogi to scale from like Corrupted Nibelung with Forbidden Knowledge tbh instead of the Heavenly Principles themselves. But in all honesty, Surtalogi on the other hand is pretty much similar to Boros and yet we can't say that he would've scaled to like the likes of Blast, Cosmic Garou, et cetera. The Heavenly Principles could've died all this time instead of sleeping and we probably wouldn't even know which is why I'd rather it scale to those that actually had correlations with Abyssal powers because Surtalogi genuinely just ignored the existence of the Shades when he proclaimed that

So just scale to nibelung but not to phanes?

 

[Puppet43]

I prefer Surtalogi to scale from like Corrupted Nibelung with Forbidden Knowledge tbh instead of the Heavenly Principles themselves. But in all honesty, Surtalogi on the other hand is pretty much similar to Boros and yet we can't say that he would've scaled to like the likes of Blast, Cosmic Garou, et cetera. The Heavenly Principles could've died all this time instead of sleeping and we probably wouldn't even know which is why I'd rather it scale to those that actually had correlations with Abyssal powers because Surtalogi genuinely just ignored the existence of the Shades when he proclaimed that

Dude, thats even worst, low key

 

[Voidnether]

So just scale to nibelung but not to phanes?

I mean Corrupted Nibelung had the most feats of them all, like it grievously injured Phanes to the point no one even knows what happens to Phanes anymore, like Phanes has been dormant since so yeah

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Surtalogi genuinely just ignored the existence of the Shades when he proclaimed that

Did he really?
He claims the planet to be uninteresting while casually saying that he’ll break an absolute law that was just placed under the order of the Heavenly Principles. He says this while he just harnesses an insane amount of Abyssal Energy, something that the Heavenly Order shows no mercy against.

I think it’s less “He ignored the existence of the shades when he said that” and more “The shades pale in comparison to him.”

 

[Frostyyyy12]

I mean Corrupted Nibelung had the most feats of them all, like it grievously injured Phanes to the point no one even knows what happens to Phanes anymore, like Phanes has been dormant since so yeah

Phanes has been dormant since the Cataclysm ended. Not because of Nibelung directly, albeit Nibelung did in fact ruin PO’s functions to the point where they had to create the gnoses.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Skirk can do this too. So unless he is also at the level of the four shadows, this argument makes no sense.

As far as I remember, she doesn’t remove the curse of immortality in the same way Surtalogi does. She can dissolve it, sure, but not break it completely like Surtalogi can.

Surtalogi: Wise indeed. Nevertheless, if you grow weary of the pain of immortality, and wish to experience a good sparring match before you wither away, seek out my disciple.

Skofnungr: Surtalogi once offered to free me from this curse. Now, I must ask that of you, Skirk. Can you release me from the pain?
Skirk: I can. But, not through death, if that's what you are hoping for.

I cannot agree with this, because it is based solely on mentions by other characters. I believe that most of it was told to Skirk by Surtalogi. If one were generous, one would give it a "possibly" 3-A. It could probably have a "3-A" range with the supposed feat of covering the Universe with power from the abyss.

I’m not solely fixated on tiers, but more on in-verse scaling. As far as I know, Tier 2 will be removed, but do you agree that Surta at least scales to the characters mentioned, or not?

 

[Voidnether]

Did he really?
He claims the planet to be uninteresting while casually saying that he’ll break an absolute law that was just placed under the order of the Heavenly Principles. He says this while he just harnesses an insane amount of Abyssal Energy, something that the Heavenly Order shows no mercy against.

I think it’s less “He ignored the existence of the shades when he said that” and more “The shades pale in comparison to him.”

This has to be the most obvious case of PIS if that's the case then, I always interpreted it as something similar to Boros if anything but yeah I don't think what he does transgress the Heavenly Principles either (unless he brought the Abyss to Teyvat, but I'm actually shocked how the Sinners are capable of controlling their Abyssal Energy so casually so that Teyvat doesn't immediately break)

 

[Natsuki012]

I disagree with Surtalogi scaling to Nibelung or the Heavenly Principles, but I agree that he is superior to the other sinners

 

[Puppet43]

unless he brought the Abyss to Teyvat

That was our Sibling, she was an Abyssal Energy Machine, the Sinners took advantage

 

[Frostyyyy12]

This has to be the most obvious case of PIS if that's the case then

Why are we assuming PIS here instead of the ideal route; taking his words at face value?

but yeah I don't think what he does transgress the Heavenly Principles either

Any harnessing of Abyssal Power is outright stated to be something that transgresses them, and they in specific use the laws of the void to break the laws of the human realm. If that’s not transgression, then i don’t know what is.

Not even withstanding the fact that the curse of immortality is consistently treated as something as absolute by the characters, yet Surtalogi doesn’t feel fear in the slightest in breaking it.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I agree he should scale to the Shades and above the Sinners.

Neutral on him scaling to Nibelung and Phanes

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Follow

 

[Furina003]

I agree with everything, except for the nibelung and phanes parts i am neutral.

 

[LoudestProcedure]

I agree with everything except the phanes and nibelung thing put me in neutral

 

[PedjaTarzan]

No Sinner should scale to Surtalogi for the simple reason that he became stronger after leaving Teyvat. Skirk explicitly confirms that he evolved individually and grew more powerful, which proves that any feats Surtalogi performed post–Teyvat should not be applied to any Sinner. However, Surtalogi can be scaled above any Sinner due to the fact that he possesses the all-encompassing power of the Abyss.

Surtalogi should scale directly to the Heavenly Principles, the Shades, and Nibelung, as he is labeled a “higher power,” a term explicitly associated with the Shades and the Heavenly Principles themselves. Additionally, he is confirmed to be the strongest being in the universe, which logically includes the entities mentioned above. He also defeated the strongest being in the entire universe, which would logically place the opponent he defeated on a level comparable to the Heavenly Principles and Nibelung.

Furthermore, Surtalogi possesses the power to remove the curse of immortality, a curse stated to be inflicted at the level of the Shades. One cannot remove such a curse without existing at—or above—that level of existence. His power is also beyond the scope of comprehension even for the Traveler, who has experienced the powers of Asmoday, Ronova, and even the Moon Goddesses.

Surtalogi is a higher being for whom physical form is irrelevant. This places him on par with the Heavenly Principles, if not above them, given that he is already many times stronger than the world itself, which includes Teyvat. Since he is currently the strongest being in the universe—and the universe includes the Sovereigns and the Heavenly Principles—this scaling is consistent.

None of this is self-glazing, as the developers themselves have confirmed that Surtalogi is indeed this powerful.

1. Became literally the strongest in the entire universe:,
   
   Skirk listened quietly. She couldn't fathom that the life of such a universe-shaking villain could be "boring."
   
   "After seeking the strongest warriors the universe has to offer, there may no longer be any further strength for me to seek."
   
   "How did that story go again? 'Distance is measured by the heart, and my heart is slightly larger than the universe.'"
   
   "Once the whole universe becomes my front lawn, all I shall see from then on will be two anthills waging pint-sized war... I shall be in my prime then — and at my most weary."

This is already unquantifiable when the strongest character below surtalogi assuming this is correct would be Nibelung who is just 4-C currently, everyone else is literally unknown if lf we count rest of universe

1. Surtalogi calamity across the entire cosmos:,
   
   "Calamity unfolds across the universe"
2. Is many times stronger than teyvat and have the willpower to be many times stronger than teyvat:,

Literally just upscaling significantly above entirety of teyvat which once again includes Nibelung

1. 
   
   "Master, since you mentioned that your group once divided enough Abyssal power amongst yourselves to overturn an entire world — or at least a sixth of it..."
   
   "How is it that you are now many times stronger than an entire world, even when alone?"

Sub planetary level lol

1. 
   
   "Did I save an idiot back then?"
   
   "Listen well. When the fruit of a tree dies, its seeds are sown in the rotten soil. Naturally, these seeds may grow into stronger trees that bear harvests a hundred, or even a thousand times richer."
   
   "Even if only one or two survivors escape a doomed world, their will alone can become strong enough to reforge the very world they lost."

Literally flowery language

1. Genshin livestream confirms Surtalogi possesses All-encompassing Power. All livestreams are scripted and directed by Genshin devs:
   
   
2. Skirk confirms that Surtalogi evolved individually, so he shouldn't be compared to the average sinner:

Good hes above sinners i agree with this

1. 
   
   
2. Surtalogi power is incomprehensible, his power is absolute and crush all things:,
   
   Strange Creature: I'll let you in on a little secret — the real Surtalogi is terrifying.
   Strange Creature: The scope of his power is impossible to understand until you experience it first-hand. It is absolute — the power to crush all things.
3. Nothing in teyvat holds any interest to him and he have the power to break the curse of immortality, the same immortality exist in the level of existence of the shades:
   
   Surtalogi: This planet no longer holds anything of interest to me, so I'm leaving. But first, I have an offer. I can use a power I have just refined to break the curse of immortality for you.
   
4. Fate bends the knee to him.

These are once again bunch of flowery yap that puts his. power>current maximum feat the verse has performed
so hes just upscaling from highest accepted scaling we have

1. 
   
   
2. He no diffed a weapon pooled by the resources of an entire star system, a god whom faith was among an entire civilization belief and the mighest warriors among billions:,

Most of these are unquantfiable unless u somehow assume weapon actually absorbed stars which is just 4-C

1. 
   
   She traveled across the universe with "The Foul," bearing witness to the trail of enemy graves he left in his wake.
   
   A weapon forged using the pooled resources of an entire star system. A god manifested by the unity of a whole civilization's beliefs. The mightiest warrior among billions...
   
   He buried them all. And as Skirk grew from the strength to strength, a revelation came upon her: Nobody had ever forced her master to use the true extent of his power.
   
   If it was a wicked beast, he ate its flesh. If it was a god or a machine, he absorbed its energy.
   
   If it was a warrior or mage, he played with his food — forcing them to use every trick in their book, then cutting them down once he tired of the charade.
   
   To her master, this was what it meant to "devour."

pretty much all my points above

1. He defies fate and is unrestricted by anyone:,
   
   「罪恶侵染天幕，灾劫蔓延整个宇宙，再无人能限制你的自由。但你的命运仍与这个世界息息相关，就像不远的将来，你会将自己的弟子送到这里。」
   
   “Evil taints the heavens, and calamities spread throughout the universe—no one can restrict your freedom anymore. Yet your fate remains deeply intertwined with this world, just as in the near future, you will send your disciple here.”
   
   ——
   
   藐视命运的人曾从命运的手中带走一名少女。
   
   “A person who defied fate once took a girl from the hands of destiny
2. He physically opened the false sky with ease, a feat that should be 100% impossible according to Alice:,

strong case of acausality 4 and resistance to fate+causality hax and spatial manip for opening false sky

Alice: The second problem is with her plan to use the Moon Marrows to return to the moon. Unfortunately, piercing through the false sky will take an enormous amount of power. Alice Given her current condition, she won't be able to provide anywhere near enough power — even if she recovers her physical form.

Barbeloth:
"Khaenri'ah was home to several lakes of stars, rendering the fabric of space in that area comparatively unstable. As a result, attempts to break through the firmament through non-physical means were more likely to succeed."

1. He literally achieved higher power, a power that is beyond bending all creation to your will. Higher power have been applied only to the shades and heavenly principle:,
   
   Skirk also said to Childe in her character teaser: "When you've truly mastered tangible weapons, you'll be ready for the next level. Heaven and earth become your blades. All of creation bends to your will. After that, you can follow in my master's footsteps and seek even greater power."

Once again a cool flowery yap to put him above the rest of characters

1. 
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=injdhkGRoCs
2. Since he is a higher being, physicality is basically irrelevant to him:

Strong case of incorporeality and id even say AE1 if abyss is abstract thing

1. 
   
   https://imgur.com/a/cbw6ZzQ
2. Surtalogi abyssal energy envelop the entire Universe:,
   
   https://imgur.com/a/CgMjNa2

Nowhere do i see the mention of “universe” only the word stars. seriously what is the issue with ALL OF YOU taking these words at absolute face value

Conclusion: He should scale at least to the Heavenly Principles, whether as an equal or above them, and should therefore be placed in Tier 2. This is supported both narratively in-game and by developer statements, which confirm that he is the strongest being in the entire universe—a universe that includes characters that are currently classified as Tier 2 within the Genshin Impact cosmology.

Absolutely disagree here, every mention of surtalogi being universal is just extremely and actually insane case of flowery language and hyperbolic wording to describe his unparraleled strenght compared to other
back this up with proper feats thank you.
As for outside this.
Surtalogi should be
“At least (Highest accepted genshin level)” “likely far higher”
or at least 4-C possibly 4-B if we keep both nibelung and star system weapon accepted as scaling
and thats all

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Surtalogi should be
“At least (Highest accepted genshin level)” “likely far higher”

Something like this would be perfect. It’d put him as the strongest in the verse without delving into random wank.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Absolutely disagree here, every mention of surtalogi being universal is just extremely and actually insane case of flowery language and hyperbolic wording to describe his unparraleled strenght compared to other
back this up with proper feats thank you.
As for outside this.
Surtalogi should be
“At least (Highest accepted genshin level)” “likely far higher”
or at least 4-C possibly 4-B if we keep both nibelung and star system weapon accepted as scaling
and thats all

I’ve already disregarded the Tier 2 stuff and am focusing solely on character scaling. Could you tell me whether you agree that he scales to the characters mentioned? The tiering is irrelevant right now; it’s just about the character scaling. I’ll edit the original post to remove every mention of Tier 2.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I’ve already disregarded the Tier 2 stuff and am focusing solely on character scaling. Could you tell me whether you agree that he scales to the characters mentioned? The tiering is irrelevant right now; it’s just about the character scaling. I’ll edit the original post to remove every mention of Tier 2.

I agree with Surtalogi scaling above the rest according to the current info.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

The thing is, I just want to scale Surtalogi to the top tiers of the verse, regardless of whether Tier 2 gets removed. Even if it were removed, the Sinners would be according to VSBW standard still be below the Shades and HP.

Ok I edited the op and blotted out any mention of tier 2 and just replaced it with God tier.

 

[Puppet43]

Something like this would be perfect. It’d put him as the strongest in the verse without delving into random wank.

Ask him to perform a feat near Nibelung/HP lvl instead of being glaze by 10000 quadrillion statments of his only inverse

I agree with Surtalogi scaling above the rest according to the current info.

Nah rare Woomy L

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Ask him to perform a feat near Nibelung/HP lvl instead of being glaze by 10000 quadrillion statments of his only inverse

Would be nice if Nibelung/HP actually had any relevant feats to go with in a comparison like this in the first place.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ask him to perform a feat near Nibelung/HP lvl instead of being glaze by 10000 quadrillion statments of his only inverse

Nah rare Woomy L

ask any genshin char to perform an onscreen feat ranging from 6-A and above and u get all god tiers lol.
Anyway i just woke up from a top tier nap and insta started arguing the OP instead of reading comments so i didnt see that tier 2 was disagreed upon XD

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

ask any genshin char to perform an onscreen feat ranging from 6-A and above and u get all god tiers lol.
Anyway i just woke up from a top tier nap and insta started arguing the OP instead of reading comments so i didnt see that tier 2 was disagreed upon XD

I only mentioned tier 2 cuz that is currently the tier of phanes etc lol, Tbh i dont even care about the tier 2