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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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Most Quirks are already equivalent to AP unless it stated to work a different way, considering that they are physical manifestations. If that's what your trying to say at least.
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NPES probably (even though its an NPES)
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"Anything your quick can do, your AP should scale to it" type of thing i guess?
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Dont even think it could be argued
There’s various quirk users that rely on their quirk and are extremely weak in hand-to-hand combat (ex: Todoroki)
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no trust me ive heard some convincing arguments
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Probably this or standards
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MHA does a thing where basically heat based stuff doesn’t scale directly to AP since there is no universal energy system
I think someone calced the storm for like High 6-B for each of the Todorokis but since it’s not a destructive feat and purely environmental it doesn’t scale rlly
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Which part of the Todoroki storm is calculable, exactly? Because the storm itself was a mix of the heat-based pyrostorm and a preexisting typhoon merging together to create the so-called unprecedented storm that Deku blew away.
TBH there are probably a lot of non-strength shit on-site that shouldn't scale to AP even with the verse having a UES.
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This shouldn't even be a arugment. Quirks aren't manifested by a UES, the difference between the normal stats and what a quirk can do is astronomical.
The closest you can get is OFA supported Quirks. But even then they are explicitly weaker than Core OFA. Black Whip was broken by Shigaraki by just flexing. Despite him being weaker than Deku.
Although I do wonder if Quirks have their own stamina bar or are drawing from the normal stamina. For emitter quirks obviously as Transformation and Mutant should directly draw stamina from the body.
Like can Uraraka run a marathon until she is near collapse and then still be able to float her max weight.
The closest you can get is OFA supported Quirks. But even then they are explicitly weaker than Core OFA. Black Whip was broken by Shigaraki by just flexing. Despite him being weaker than Deku.
Although I do wonder if Quirks have their own stamina bar or are drawing from the normal stamina. For emitter quirks obviously as Transformation and Mutant should directly draw stamina from the body.
Like can Uraraka run a marathon until she is near collapse and then still be able to float her max weight.
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Tbh I do question if the logic can still scale specifically for the Todorokis. Kinda like how you can passively power things with cursed energy over time but can also output a ton of energy into a single attack, could they either utilize their firepower to generate heat over time versus use it all in one attack
Since quirks are like muscles and you can tire them out typically, maybe you could scale it by how overheated the Todorokis get by outputting that much heat versus how overheated they get from a single attack? And anyone who tanks/clashes with the singular attack can scale
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If you just make a little change which is replacing the calc with a statement of Mach 10 Prime All Might, this still gets to Mach 712,145 or 0.81c.
Actually what is the best speed statement we have ? I believe it's All Might running at mach 10, but if Vigilantes has something better, we should be Golden.
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Snail Speed would apply if Shigaraki was moving and frozen. This is just perception blitz which doesn't apply to snail speed as far as i know. (Also, Shigaraki's scaling to the radiowaves doesn't work based on our stated speed rules for calculations as far as i'm aware)
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What’s the Mach 10 statement frim
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Guide books
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Mach 10 is from a book where it was asked how fast can Prime All Might run
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Speaking of the Gearshift calc, has anyone tried to add in the fact that Deku punched Shigaraki three additional times and launched him into the air before he started to wonder what was happening?
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Yk it wouldve been cool if Bakugou gained some sort of extra power after Edgeshot became his heart, like if it could modify his quirk factor? Imagine if he could make tiny explosion beams or transform into explosions kinda like Number 6 could
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Eh, that would be a bit of a stretch.
Now OCHAKO on the other hand, who literally speculates that Toga’s blood is still mixed in with hers like One for All? And even has very vivid, basically vestige realm level visions of Toga urging her on? Yeah, I could see that doing something to her Quirk Factor eventually, if it hasn’t already, like that is very clearly a Vestige of Toga. Considering it flared up due to Deku’s presence, it’s likely something that responds to love, so I could see her getting a new ability or something if she fights in line with her and Toga’s love.
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Detonation cords
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Is anyone good at pixel scaling? There’s a feat in Ep140 where an extremely weakened Shigaraki is able to dodge jet lasers as he is flying away, I’m planning to use the feat when I setup the lightspeed lasers CRT but it looks like it could yield high rela or FTL
Happened in the manga too but it wasn’t clear if he was aiming dodging but the anime makes it clear
Happened in the manga too but it wasn’t clear if he was aiming dodging but the anime makes it clear
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My streaming service wont let me ss but it happens approx at 12:33 in the timestamp. Its when new order starts revolting and hes trying to fly away and give the quirk to someone else
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Thanks for linking it for me
MANOFGOD7
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Hello
Can you please elaborate on why it is calc stacking??
I have gone through the calc stacking rules and it still looks like I'm not violating any rules........
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First of all your calc is flawed because you randomly assigned Shigaraki's speed in the scene to Speed of Light with this reasoning:Hello
Can you please elaborate on why it is calc stacking??
When the only accepted calc currently for someone interacting with those radio waves is Star and Stripe's feat which is 62.27% SoL.
More importantly though, even if we accepted that Shigaraki was capable of Speed of Light movement, there is no indication that at that moment in that particular scene that he is moving anywhere at the Speed of Light.
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Yeahhh......no
I'm heavily against that mach 10 statement because of other in verse feats and statements for Prime AM's travel speed.
But it is also amazing
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If yall could combine any 3 quirks to make an elite combo which would it be? I don’t mean just choosing 3 broken ones like new order and overhaul, I mean quirks that when combined are broken
I’m choosing Strongarm, Overclock, and Fa Jin. I can do JoJo style barrages with unreachable punches, you can increase the speed of punches with Overclock, and Fa Jin makes it so you will actually get more powerful by storing up energy with each punch, basically making you the most broken boxer ever
I’m choosing Strongarm, Overclock, and Fa Jin. I can do JoJo style barrages with unreachable punches, you can increase the speed of punches with Overclock, and Fa Jin makes it so you will actually get more powerful by storing up energy with each punch, basically making you the most broken boxer ever
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Fierce Wings, Invisibility and Decay.
Attacks at both close range and long range, perfect mobility, surprise one-hit kills, and can counter Decay's biggest weakness which is flying enemies.
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bro just became mahito
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Lowk change my mind the best combo is Air Cannon, Gale Force, and Air Wall. Its just airbending but 100x
U can fire blasts of air that can obliterate countless city blocks, but with Gale Force you can basically make them curve and probably even change direction as the blasts are traveling, and with Air Wall you can make giant force fields for yourself by combining it with Gale Force’s range
U can fire blasts of air that can obliterate countless city blocks, but with Gale Force you can basically make them curve and probably even change direction as the blasts are traveling, and with Air Wall you can make giant force fields for yourself by combining it with Gale Force’s range
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MANOFGOD7
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That is what I also thought, but looking at the page for it,it was never said that a perception blitz cannot qualify for this. The major thing said is that a character becomes so fast that the opponent or reference object becomes very slow in comparison. In the same page, there's a section for a perception blitz(moving faster than the eye can see, right below the slow motion one) that also didn't mention that this part should be used for all perception speed feats. So I took sometime thinking about it well, and I realized that the reason why this possibly wasn't available is because,a perception blitz does not always happen in a way that the character of interest MUST apparently see the other character as snail speed, especially because of their examples. From their example, humans will be blitzed by subsonic objects or characters, and the subsonic characters will view them as slow, but not as slow as a snail. Do you understand me??
Where are those rules on stated speeds?? Can you give me the link
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MANOFGOD7
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Oops
I thought this wouldn't be a problem, but it looks like it did become a problem(a little). But basically,my main point for scaling him to the radio waves is because teen AFO out paced the radio waves in the anime, which is similar to what Therefir did, by scaling him to a bullet he's supposed to be faster than. I shall adjust it as such so that there would be no side interpretation to this scaling again.
Ooooooo meaning it's possible
That is what I also thought, but looking at the page for it, it was never said that a perception blitz cannot qualify for this. The major thing said is that a character becomes so fast that the opponent or reference object becomes very slow in comparison. In the same page, there's a section for a perception blitz(moving faster than the eye can see, right below the slow motion one) that also didn't mention that this part should be used for all perception speed feats. So I took sometime thinking about it well, and I realized that the reason why this possibly wasn't available is because,a perception blitz does not always happen in a way that the character of interest MUST apparently see the other character as snail speed, especially because of their examples given. From their example, humans will be blitzed by subsonic objects or characters, and the subsonic characters will view them as slow even when they are moving at top speed, but not as slow as a snail. Do you understand me??
So according to rules, there's no indication that there MUST be movement from the character of reference, which is something that should have been included if very important, like the way it has been said that there must be enough evidence that the apparent character should have really looked like they couldn't even move 1 pixel. When we look at the anime, it isn't an exaggeration to say that they gave the indication, because a lot of people think that the anime showing that Shiggy could perceive Deku means that Shiggy didn't get blitzed, but when we look closely, Shiggy didn't just perceive Deku,he only perceived Deku after Deku had already gotten to him. Based on this demonstration, it's pretty clear that Shiggy was really massively outclassed in the speed aspect, because if he had been able to realize that Deku has reached him, whereby he previously couldn't see him coming despite actively looking at him from that far distance,then he should have instinctively tried either MOVING away from the threat or MOVING his hand or any part of the body to deliver a hit to the threat in front of him,and none of those two actions could happen because he's snail speed or slow, and these two actions must have definitely happened at his full speed, right??
So therefore, I shall include that this calc heavily depends on our anime cannon CRT,
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Copy, One For All, and Foresight.
Copy is a good Quirk with limits, but Monoma has demonstrated you can work around most canonically (As he uses multiple simultaneously and combines them in Team Up Mission). Additionally, while this never happened in canon, by all logic, given that Monoma has used hair to Copy before, I could get the Support department to make a hero suit made of the hair of various entities to then have constant access to Quirks I can copy indefinitely for an indefinite length of time having Quirks, and a list of them to use for myself. As hair-based hero suits are a thing and functional in MHA (Tooru and Mirio), so getting one made for me in tandem with Copy itself already makes me pretty powerful just by using clever exploits and training to improve Copy.
One For All is a strong Quirk innately, but I’m not focused on its physical enhancement. We know that when you have the Quirk that—At this stage of awakened core and what have you, unlike before, when you get OFA your current Quirk gets amplified.
Combining that with Copy and my Support Costume, then One For All should boost Copy and the Quirks that have been made apart of it, so I then have an insane supply of Quirks that are boosted in power by One For All. Plus the base extra Quirks, of course, working in conjunction with my Copies, like Gearshift making me faster or my foe slower, Danger Sense granting heightened personal awareness, etc.
Then, lastly, One For All should bolster Foresight. And Foresight is innately pretty good with the catch that there’s no physical component (making it balanced by the fact knowing the future is meaningless because you can get socked before you even look at the future). So now, because OFA handles the physical component, I’ve nullified a weakness in Foresight, and because of OFA’s Quirk Enhancement effect, it should then improve Foresight as well, leaving it intensely more effective.
This means I have an ever rotating, boosted set of Quirks I can maintain indefinitely (along the OFA 7), with Copy I can then Mix and Match for constant short, mid, and long range battle, with endless versatility and unpredictable attacks that I then make nigh-impossible to fight against because of my ability to see into the Future, making attacks and defenses against me functionally worthless (as I see your every move before you make it and punish accordingly).
There is, of course, the possibility that whatever I get ahold of for Copy could lead to potentially disastrous side effects, or simply bad combos, or what have you. But more often than not, considering the high quantity of Emitters and Transformation Quirks around relative to everyone else, I’m pretty sure most Quirks are in the Inko Midoriya range (meandering/“weak” Quirk that is innately limited and short range/non-combat applicable) that One For All could then boost into something amazing. Plus, if I could get the costume made in the first place, I likely would be above board and thus have direct selection of people’s hair to include in the suit—Prisoners, other heroes, or classmates, who may, (and in fact, much more likely to have). all have inherently strong Quirks.
Additionally, Copy is immensely aided by Foresight (giving me more chances to use my Copy Quirk, but also benefiting me by giving me the chance to bolster the innately slight-of-hand based nature Copy relies on via telling me your moves before you make them). And even more than that, OFA boosting Copy likely makes my body more capable of handling Quirks, (as Copy innately makes you so, and a boosted Copy even more so), in which case I’m no longer bound by the life-limit that a person with OFA and a Quirk has.
(Also, I could also potentially affect/change the Future with the combined Will of OFA, as well, on top of any Wills I could incidentally include via Copy and how it interacts with Vestiges {hypothetically}, but this is speculative. Just food for thought—That this combo could perhaps see a forever binding future but allow me to side step my own, ala Epitaph + King Crimson in JJBA).
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