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What plan? They barely planned ahead for the time jump of Frontiers. The only thing Sega did was reject Evan's note that it already happened, but Frontiers happening off-screen with no fanfare is all on her.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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What do you mean by "Atleast 3-B" Time Eater? Doesn't that seem a lil... low?
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It does but at the same time it's "at least" 3-B and I've been looking at it in a vacuum without stuff like Battle/Rush Games clutching or dimensional tiering and seeing if it works under the scrutiny of "can it be applied to his physical stats" (plus possible range issues due to SXSG but at the same time a hypertimeline can solve that issue)
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To our knowledge, SEGA moved around when Frontiers was supposed to happen in IDW. We weren't meant to already be post-Frontiers, but plans changed. You can't really execute a plan on how to build a sandcastle when a kid keeps running up and kicking your sandcastle.
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He still erased all of the cosmology... so his feats didn't really changed at all
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You say this based on what? From what they said when asked, they probably did had one
No it isn't, who do you think pushed for Sage to appear so soon in the Comic? Sega, you constantly blame the american side/IDW side of the creators and never Sega for being bad at managing and working alongside them, you are not being fair in your judgement, you have no basis that they didn't had a plan, and you equally have no basis for giving Sega the benefit of the doubt here, they had a plan, or at least an idea, on to how implement post frontiers stuff, Sega said "screw you do it now" to them and this is the result, this plus all the mandates that limit and make the stories feel rushed, it is very clear who is the most likely culprit here, you should try and be less biased towards the Japanese side, they are not the one all be all
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Don't try and shift the blame to poor indie studio Sega, I will destroy you for attempting to do so
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Do we actually know if Sega forced Evan to move Frontiers forward? The only thing we know is that Sega removed her editor's note, that's it.
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Evan straight up saying she has no real plan for Lunar and is making it up as she goes along? It's in her blog, they aren't planning super far ahead.
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She said as much in the same post tho?
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I mean, they somewhat changed in how it's done + one could say Time Eater's erasure/consumption was just hax. I could see it being connected to his other abilities like in the cutscene prior to the final battle but I'd like to gather more support for it, Black Doom's whole deal being one of them, maybe Eggmen mechanically upgrading it
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Also a little early as it's not the 25th for me yet but Merry Christmas !!!
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Not what we are talking about, stay on point, Ian and Her mentioned that we would know when post frontiers would appear, Sega saw the comic, gave no care for their planning, no room for them to even make a plan, don't change the subject so that you can shift the blame on the "bad americanshits that are ruining Sonic" instead of the ones in the actual wrong here, your contanst bias genuially pisses me off
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Not really
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It went from being a Zeno type erasure where everything was erased at the start of the game to an overtime consumption based erasure of everything, the only thing that saved it from suffering the same fate of Solaris having the "localized black holes" is the stages including celestial bodies making Time Eater consuming a universe each time possible, also perhaps a hypertimeline
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Overtime?... where did you get that from?
... we literally have 20+ statements saying the Time Eater's destruction spammes the entire cosmology... what are you talking about?
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"That thing keeps jumping back and forth through time! Consuming the dimensional energy, and all that's left behind is this lifeless, white void."
note the jumping back and forth part which without a hypertimeline to consider would make it so there's still time to jump through, making it overtime
The games come first, but I do agree it eventually gobbled up the cosmology tho minus the pieces that Sonics and Shadow restored as Eggman said all time is his to do with as he pleases though
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... this doesn't say the cosmology wipe was overtime tho? i am really confused by what you are trying to imply... in the very first scene we see the Time Eater, he erases straight up, in a moment, merely with a bubble effect... with it being said that White Space as we see is all of reality/all of space time reduced to the white void...
Tailstube is as canon as the games... and Gens also would include maginary world and all the other dimensions Eggman lost in, which.... you know, was the whole point of what he did with the time eater?
Also... you do realise the Japanese script is utterly unchanged... right? Which says as much as before, why ignore it?
There is 20+ Statements saying he did destroyed all of reality, from both in and outside the games... why would 1 interpretation of 1 scene overwrite everything else?
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I never ignored that, in fact I like to refer to it as something that proves Time Eater still erases stuff. It's just that as Gens is an english written game, it should be considered the most. (Again don't take this as me saying JP scripts cannot be used)
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Damn, we're really going this route... Reminds of Dave Filoni saying all stories (shows, books, games) in the Disney Canon are supposed to be in the same universe. But then when an actor asked him on why the script for the last Clone Wars Arc was so different from the novel it was adapting; he said that people in-verse remember the stories of these events differently or sth like that
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Metal aura farmed all of Eggman's votes.
It is impressive Silver is popular despite Sega doing ultra Minimum with him.
It is impressive Silver is popular despite Sega doing ultra Minimum with him.
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All she said was that Sega rejected her note. That's it.
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Anyways, Merry Christmas everyone!
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You really didn't read at all did you? Or you are choosing to ignore it to not blame Sega IDK
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So I suddenly stopped getting notified for this thread, and apparently missed three or so pages of discussion. What'd I miss?
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Merry Christmas to you, and everyone else here!
Buy some cool toys while you're at it everyone!
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Imma be real, I don't like how Sonic Team are handling Shadow in terms of his abilities. As if he doesn't have Chaos abilities on his own without the Emerald. Like, being born with chaos power running through his veins is his thing. I just want him to actually use his powers without relying on the Emerald for once. I'm not a fan of this narrative being pushed they he always needs an Emerald to do any of what he does. And even if he doesn't use his chaos powers, he's still in the same ballpark as Sonic in terms of overall abilities. We almost never see him use the Spin Dash, Homing Attack, Boost, etc in these comics. It kind of blows.
If the only difference between Sonic and Shadow's abilities is that Shadow is slightly better at using Chaos Powers with a Chaos Emerald, then that sucks. Shadow's connection to Chaos Energy is one of his things. Big part of his entire concept. Even without a Chaos Emerald, he's got powers that only he is capable of utilizing as seen in Sonic Battle or traditional Sonic media like 06. As well as other Sonic media that we've seen, he's shown to be able to utilize those abilities as well. He even wears inhibitors to keep his innate Chaos Energy in check. But Sega is telling us that he can't just teleport a short distance or project energy at the very least without an Emerald?
If the only difference between Sonic and Shadow's abilities is that Shadow is slightly better at using Chaos Powers with a Chaos Emerald, then that sucks. Shadow's connection to Chaos Energy is one of his things. Big part of his entire concept. Even without a Chaos Emerald, he's got powers that only he is capable of utilizing as seen in Sonic Battle or traditional Sonic media like 06. As well as other Sonic media that we've seen, he's shown to be able to utilize those abilities as well. He even wears inhibitors to keep his innate Chaos Energy in check. But Sega is telling us that he can't just teleport a short distance or project energy at the very least without an Emerald?
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Hello Falls, I hope your day is better than before.
I would like to share my perspective—and frustrations regarding several points.
1-Sonic is portrayed as equal to, or stronger than, Infinite during their second encounter.
2-Power progression across the series is inconsistent. Characters often gain or lose strength purely for the sake of the moment or plot convenience (for example, Sonic’s Boost compared to his base performance against Time Eater).
3-The term “help” is too vague to be meaningful unless it clearly specifies the nature or extent of the assistance being provided(strength, speed, ability,etc).
4-If a character is not explicitly stated to be weaker, they should not be assumed to be weaker by default (such as Sonic in Secret Rings).
5-Statements describing characters as “equal” or that they “rival each other in power and speed” do not inherently prevent one character from ultimately being superior to the other in practice
I would like to share my perspective—and frustrations regarding several points.
1-Sonic is portrayed as equal to, or stronger than, Infinite during their second encounter.
2-Power progression across the series is inconsistent. Characters often gain or lose strength purely for the sake of the moment or plot convenience (for example, Sonic’s Boost compared to his base performance against Time Eater).
3-The term “help” is too vague to be meaningful unless it clearly specifies the nature or extent of the assistance being provided(strength, speed, ability,etc).
4-If a character is not explicitly stated to be weaker, they should not be assumed to be weaker by default (such as Sonic in Secret Rings).
5-Statements describing characters as “equal” or that they “rival each other in power and speed” do not inherently prevent one character from ultimately being superior to the other in practice
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I assume the reason why they limit shadow in different stories is that the plot progression wouldn't end faster than a normal subplot. After all, the Chaos Emeralds can do many things, and that includes manipulating time and space, which is broken on its own.
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Is the Boost not higher compared to his regular self? (Also incomplete Time Eater/supressed Time Eater scaling isn't accepted yet, even though there's scaling to Void and Semi-P. Dark Gaia)
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Maybe, but given there is no difference between Home attack, and sonic boost power attack in generation, it's probably Sonic got stronger (in 3Ds).
It should've accepted long ago, a normal time eater couldn't handle Chaos Emerald, while a full control time eater survive attacks from seven emeralds.
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Attempting to scale a Chaos Emerald to the incomplete Time Eater would result in egregious circular scaling, no way to wiggle out of that situation.
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I get that, but they nerf him into the ground even with his BASIC chaos abilities that he's shown in Sonic Battle as they never show him using them. Not even his Chaos Spear without a Chaos Emerald. And when he ISN'T using his chaos powers, he's basically out of the fight. This happened in the recent issue, this happened in the DC x Sonic crossover, and it happened I think a few other times. As if he doesn't have abilities like Sonic. Hardly ever see him using the Spin Dash or the Boost or anything that isn't Chaos Control.
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Also the Homing Attack is a subset of the Spin Dash, which has Damage Boost.
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Incomplete Time Eater is still capable of nuking the entire cosmology, though. It is pretty nuts to think about if Incomplete Time Eater couldn't withstand the power of one Emerald.
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No doubt about that. Though when you try to use the Chaos Emerald scene to scale it to the I. Time Eater, that's when the problems run rampant.
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Maybe, but it seemed pretty definitive. If the writing is on the wall, then it is what it is. I think a fine argument can be made for it.
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