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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

@noninho you saw my defense of Ki-Adi-Mundi's state of character at least when it applies to the EU, right? Even with the example of the flamethrowers, it was done in the context of a battle and not on civilian Geonosians.

Are we going to say that using flamethrowers in WWI in trench warfare is a war crime? Both sides of soldiers likely knew what they would be facing.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@noninho you saw my defense of Ki-Adi-Mundi's state of character at least when it applies to the EU, right? Even with the example of the flamethrowers, it was done in the context of a battle and not on civilian Geonosians.

Are we going to say that using flamethrowers in WWI in trench warfare is a war crime? Both sides of soldiers likely knew what they would be facing.
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Yeah it's a war crime, why do you think it's in the Geneva convention.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@noninho you saw my defense of Ki-Adi-Mundi's state of character at least when it applies to the EU, right? Even with the example of the flamethrowers, it was done in the context of a battle and not on civilian Geonosians.

Are we going to say that using flamethrowers in WWI in trench warfare is a war crime? Both sides of soldiers likely knew what they would be facing.
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know that what ur commander will ask you to do (and that ur opponent is cruel and coward enough to make) something classified as a war crime doesn't make it a minor war crime. So yes, i'm saying that WWI's war crimes were war crimes lol

Ki-Adi Mundi's squad and the others' had the task to reach and secure "Point Rain", where the rendezvous point was, from all i got. To reach the rendezvous point, he used a shortcut by a cave, where natives (according to wookiepedia. This detail is important) attacked them and Mundi's squad responded with flamethrowers.
Attacking natives defending their land is a war crime unless you say guys with lances are a real threat to Jedi and Clones (You really saying that a Jedi Master couldn't just Force Push natives with lances? Oh yeah, he can't even dodge/block blasters like a padawan can, of course he couldn't LMFAO), then it'd be fair
Also, if that cave was occupied by natives, not by whoever was maintaning that droid factory, it was neutral territory, and military troops traversing through it is a war crime (3-11)
And since those natives did not represent actual threat, they were civilians, so using flamethrowers on them is a war crime

Bro, spend ur time defending other cooler Jedi, idk

Don't remember seeing ur defense, may i ask you to repost it?
 
noninho said:
Don't remember seeing ur defense, may i ask you to repost it?
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I reccomend reading the Rise of the Sith and Clone Wars Epic Collection paperbacks, the comics humanize Ki-Adi-Mundi as someone who is honestly just trying his best at being a jedi and father whilst in a turbulent time period of change. Even when he told Anakin about how the he loss his family during the Clone Wars and how he got over it, it was in the context of trying to comfort Anakin over the loss of master (before Obi-Wan came back).
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
This is why I reccomend reading the Rise of the Sith and Clone Wars Epic Collection paperbacks, the comics humanize Ki-Adi-Mundi as someone who is honestly just trying their best at being a jedi and father whilst in a turbulent time period of change. Even when he told Anakin about how the he loss his family during the Clone Wars and how he got over it, it was in the context of trying to comfort Anakin over the loss of master (before Obi-Wan came back).
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oh yeah, that was the defense, ok

he may have been humane and supposedly tried his best, but doesn't change the fact that he was one of the most blind members of the council and commited war crimes and sucked in his training. Individually they may not be that harmful, but he was a danger to the existance of the Jedi Order by being the collection of those screw-ups when he legit could be even better than this "trying his best" that he was.
The main reason i prefer the Shaak-Ti/his battle against Grievous to be canon is because how could you explain that feeling the intent of C L O N E S to kill him scared him enough to not do anything against some common ass blasters, but he could survive General mfing Grievous?

I legit think he's not at all redeemable.
 
noninho said:
doesn't change the fact that he was one of the most blind members of the council and commited war crimes and sucked in his training
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You’re more describing Luminara than Mundi, but at the same time, all of the Jedi were committing war crimes more or less
 
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@noninho Maybe give this a watch to see what I mean:

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I feel far better discussing stuff around here, with y'all, not with youtubers who blasts AI stuff in the middle of the argument and uses stuff which idk if it's legends or canon unless i do a heavy research which i'm not quite interested in :<
But since it seems like this one is reinforcing the idea that Luminara is worse, bring some of the arguments here :>
 
noninho said:
But since it seems like this one is reinforcing the idea that Luminara is worse, bring some of the arguments here :>
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I think the main thing comes back to Luminara as a master to Barriss. Mirialan Jedi only train other Mirialans, and had a more primitive belief system and ideology around the Force that the Jedi allowed to be practiced. Although the key thing to note is that Mirialans believed that this should by the only way to view the Force.

For Luminara in particular she was someone who 100% committed to whatever the Jedi Council wanted and said, with no room to think critically about it. And this influence how she trained and taught Barriss as she believed in rote memorization, which while it can be effective at helping someone retain a lot of information, it does not allow critical or creative thinking leading to a rigid ability to be able to use that information at hand.

Most of the episode summarizes the Clone Wars episode Weapons Factory (which might be a good idea to rewatch) and the interactions between Anakin, Ahsoka, Luminara, and Barriss, but I think the main highlight of it all is that because Luminara was raised within the confines of the Jedi Temple, surrounded by like-minded Jedi Masters who rigidly stuck to the Code and believed that they figured out everything in galaxy, when a crisis strike of Ahsoka's and Barriss' lives being in potential danger she doesn't act like a normal person, but like a robot spouting out rigid and dogmatic retoric all because she believes in the Jedi Order and that it can do no wrong.

Edit: Of course you can see why I don't give Mundi as much crap, as who would you choose between a dad and robot?
 
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I found the mass of a Star Destroyer, and as for the feat in question, based on this method, the AP to make it tremble would be at bare minimum Low 7-C
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I’m a little confused about your calc. Where did you find the ISS total volume from? The source you linked to says the ISS has a volume of 2000 m³ with an internal pressurized volume of 916 m³ and 4.5e+5 kg. Not sure where your 1,005.0 m^3 comes from. I don’t think the ISS is a great comparison for density for a Star Destroyer because it’s not made for combat. It’s just a satellite. Also, Star Destroyers have an official canon mass, so it’s simpler to use that instead.
Star Destroyers have an official canon mass
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
For Luminara in particular she was someone who 100% committed to whatever the Jedi Council wanted and said, with no room to think critically about it. And this influence how she trained and taught Barriss as she believed in rote memorization, which while it can be effective at helping someone retain a lot of information, it does not allow critical or creative thinking leading to a rigid ability to be able to use that information at hand.
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Basically everyone in that council was like it, so it's not a surprise or something of her own arc
the entire theme of the prequels is that the council became blind, Windu noticed it and tried his best to undo it before dying and Yoda spent 20 years without being able to forgive himself for such blindness leading to the empire.
That just makes her a regular council member

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Most of the episode summarizes the Clone Wars episode Weapons Factory (which might be a good idea to rewatch) and the interactions between Anakin, Ahsoka, Luminara, and Barriss, but I think the main highlight of it all is that because Luminara was raised within the confines of the Jedi Temple, surrounded by like-minded Jedi Masters who rigidly stuck to the Code and believed that they figured out everything in galaxy, when a crisis strike of Ahsoka's and Barriss' lives being in potential danger she doesn't act like a normal person, but like a robot spouting out rigid and dogmatic retoric all because she believes in the Jedi Order and that it can do no wrong.

Edit: Of course you can see why I don't give Mundi as much crap, as who would you choose between a dad and robot?
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Well you haven't described someone nearly as horrible as you said she was

The entire council was blind and unflexible but it wasn't ur "robot" who said "wtf you mean 'siths are back'? drop this nonsense and let's look at the attack on the wookies". It was far too deep into the problems and Sidious plans for all of them to follow the path of who they saw as good "rebel" line of thought, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, but from what ur telling me, they're pretty much the same thing, only for what i saw Mundi still seems worse
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I found the mass of a Star Destroyer, and as for the feat in question, based on this method, the AP to make it tremble would be at bare minimum Low 7-C
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Legion350 said:
I’m a little confused about your calc. Where did you find the ISS total volume from? The source you linked to says the ISS has a volume of 2000 m³ with an internal pressurized volume of 916 m³ and 4.5e+5 kg. Not sure where your 1,005.0 m^3 comes from. I don’t think the ISS is a great comparison for density for a Star Destroyer because it’s not made for combat. It’s just a satellite. Also, Star Destroyers have an official canon mass, so it’s simpler to use that instead.
Star Destroyers have an official canon mass
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Phsccarvalho said:
How can shaking one of those ships be tier 8 while Luke's feat from TLJ was tier 7?
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That’s because based on the context Luke would have produced a Magnitude 4.0 to 4.9 quake while the island feat produced a Magnitude 6.0 to 6.9 quake. This means that TLJ feat is over 100 times stronger than the Star Destroyer feat.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
cant wait to work on some Ninth jedi profiles next year
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Should we create a vese page for Star Wars Visions?

Speaking of which, how are we going to deal with canon events? Because, even though Visions is non-canon, with each scholar interpreting the Star Wars universe in their own way, some have a time period.

Like, are we going to use the calculations we have on the Verse page and the Force page, or are we just going to treat Visions as something isolated?

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
That’s because based on the context Luke would have produced a Magnitude 4.0 to 4.9 quake while the island feat produced a Magnitude 6.0 to 6.9 quake. This means that TLJ feat is over 100 times stronger than the Star Destroyer feat.
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This earthquake thing can't be used too? Because in both instances Luke is shaking a structure.
 
@noninho @Phsccarvalho Looks like I got the acceleration incorrect for the High Republic feat leading it to be lower than it actually should be. Using the equation correctly get you an actually higher acceleration. ButI now have a better acceleration equations to use, so might it be better to just make a new blog altogether?
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@noninho @Phsccarvalho Looks like I got the acceleration incorrect for the High Republic feat leading it to be lower than it actually should be. Using the equation correctly get you an actually higher acceleration. ButI now have a better acceleration equations to use, so might it be better to just make a new blog altogether?
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If you are going to recalculate any calculation, don't forget that you have to hold a "Calc Group Discussion" to replace the calculation with the recalculation.
 
It wasn’t accepted as far as I can tell. You should gather all of the different versions of the Calc and also post on the Calc Discussion.

Does Star Wars use metric or short tons?
 
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Calculation was done incorrectly

I had made this calc, and when asked to fix it for a CRT, I made a mistake that gave it lower results than what it actually should be. However I have come upon a better formula to get the acceleration, so what might be the right course of action to take here? original formula =...
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Phsccarvalho said:
Should we create a vese page for Star Wars Visions?

Speaking of which, how are we going to deal with canon events? Because, even though Visions is non-canon, with each scholar interpreting the Star Wars universe in their own way, some have a time period.

Like, are we going to use the calculations we have on the Verse page and the Force page, or are we just going to treat Visions as something isolated?


This earthquake thing can't be used too? Because in both instances Luke is shaking a structure.
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we can do something similar to what dragonball does

as for scaling, i say just use stuff within the specific episodes or series, cuz each are kinda their own thing, for example the ronin episodes have their own continuity thats explored in the novels as well, and the ninth jedi is getting a full series next year so that and the 2 visions episodes between S1 and 3 are fair to use together. same thing for the other related episodes.
 
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