[Mods Evaluations Needed] SoL Attack Speed via Kuuvahki.

[MSahla]

dont know man i dont see flins using kuuvakhi as a literal beam of light like aino cannon did lol

Thats like saying Kuuvahki ≠ Beam of Light

You have to make sure kuuvakhi actually moves at SoL outside vacuum which just namedropping light isnt enough

Im just gonna assume that you're not reading all things that i have presented here at this point because this is actually insane that you still asked me to prove myself.

 

[Giannysmag]

In essence, Kuuvahki is the power of the Light Realm and coming from the light of the Three Moons of Teyvat, so it's essentially the Moonlight itself.

Sahl put the actual scans instead of just linking the to Genshin wiki challenge (Impossible):

It is the most ancient and primordial form of elemental energy; just like a beam of light that can be split into seven colors, kuuvahki is the original state of light before dispersion takes place.

This to me seems more like an analogy if anything. It's comparing the way Kuuvahki splits from it's original source into the seven elements to the way light splits into seven colors, not necessarily saying that Kuuvahki is light

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Thats like saying Kuuvahki ≠ Beam of Light

Because it apparently isnt because its only ever shown like that when a ******* canon has put up enough kuuvakhi to be launched as an actual light which something flins ineffa lauma and co have never shown

Im just gonna assume that you're not reading all things that i have presented here at this point because this is actually insane that you still asked me to prove myself.

yeah lol.

 

[MSahla]

Sahl put the actual scans instead of just linking the to Genshin wiki challenge (Impossible):

?

This to me seems more like an analogy if anything. It's comparing the way Kuuvahki splits from it's original source into the seven elements to the way light splits into seven colors, not necessarily that Kuuvahki is light

sigh while the lore literally said Kuuvahki = Moonlight, and the developers literally said Kuuvahki is the original state of light. Are we serious..
They're using rainbow analogy because kuuvahki as "the original state of light" can reflect into seven different colors or 7 elements.

 

[Giannysmag]

?


sigh while the lore literally said Kuuvahki = Moonlight, and the developers literally said Kuuvahki is the original state of light. Are we serious..
They're using rainbow analogy because kuuvahki as "the original state of light" can reflect into seven different colors or 7 elements.

The "original state of light" is refering to light within the analogy, it's saying that the Kuuvahki is the equivalent of the original state of light

 

[Puppet43]

Because it apparently isnt because its only ever shown like that when a ******* canon has put up enough kuuvakhi to be launched as an actual light which something flins ineffa lauma and co have never shown

Watch a random flower in Nod Krai have SoL attack speed because it can use kuuvahki

 

[MSahla]

The "original state of light" is refering to light within the analogy. it's saying that the Kuuvahki is the equivalent of the original state of light

So we are using headcanon here instead of the canonicity of the game?

No, it's not within that Analogy, because the power itself is a Moonlight, we can't just denying this? Hence the Kuuvahki will be in their strongest state when the light of the frost moon is closest to Teyvat. That's literally what happened in the Moon-Prayer Night.

Bro, Kuuvahki was the main source of the Moon Wheels, the first version of Visions, and it was used in the entire world of unified civilization bestowed by the Moon Goddesses.

Because it apparently isnt because its only ever shown like that when a ******* canon has put up enough kuuvakhi to be launched as an actual light which something flins ineffa lauma and co have never shown

While the Kuuvahki literally Moonlight itself, and the original state of light and much like beam of light.
The fact that, people like Flins and Traveler who can manipulate Kuuvahki can block a cannon that shoots an actual speed of light is already proved it.

 

[Puppet43]

Give me proof from the game that says Aino converted Kuuvahki into Light.

Is the other way around u would need to proof Moon Wheels/Moon Marrows can use Kuuvahki in same way as Aino Cannon
In fact if Traveler had SoL Attacks then why didnt he used it against the Relativistic enemy? mmmmm i wonder why

Why bro use irl logic.
This is fiction, anything can happen

Because guess what, the VSBW ask for some logic behind the arguments on why should X energy being consider light

 

[PedjaTarzan]

While the Kuuvahki literally Moonlight itself, and the original state of light and much like beam of light.
The fact that, people like Flins and Traveler who can manipulate Kuuvahki can block a cannon that shoots an actual speed of light is already proved it.

congrats u debunked yourself u literally cannot physically interact with light
jk thats literally a reaction speed feat lmaoo that doesnt mean shit abt them being able to replicate what cannon does

 

[Puppet43]

The fact that, people like Flins and Traveler who can manipulate Kuuvahki can block a cannon that shoots an actual speed of light is already proof of it.

They could partially block it because Traveler used a shield, not because they use the same energy as the cannon

 

[MSahla]

Is the other way around u would need to proof Moon Wheels/Moon Marrows can use Kuuvahki in same way as Aino Cannon

Just because there are different amounts of energy, doesn't change the essence of that energy. Thats just stupid.

In fact if Traveler had SoL Attacks then why didnt he used it against the Relativistic enemy? mmmmm i wonder why

Ask Hoyo, thats a question for someone who doesn't know PIS.

Because guess what, the VSBW ask for some logic behind the arguments on why should X energy being consider light

Easy.
Kuuvahki = Moonlight itself, Beam of Light and the Original State of Light.

We already got very reliable sources, reasonable enough to be considered Light because it's originates from the Moonlight.

 

[MSahla]

thats literally a reaction speed feat lmaoo that doesnt mean shit abt them being able to replicate what cannon does

No? Thats not just reaction speed. Reaction speed is when you dodge something, while Flins and Traveler are jumping and blocking the beam even before the beam reached them.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

No? Thats not just reaction speed. Reaction speed is when you dodge something, while Flins and Traveler are jumping and blocking the beam even before the beam reached them.

then its not light nor sol holy jobbing…
im at uni now so i wont be arguing anymore just put me as disagree

 

[MSahla]

then its not light nor sol holy jobbing…

Holy smoke
"the sol is dodged, therefore, its not sol because sol cannot be dodge" Ahh message

 

[Puppet43]

Just because there are different amounts of energy

in fact base on our scaling, Ineffa should be able to do what cannon does over x10^15 times

Ask Hoyo, thats a question for someone who doesn't know PIS.

Or maybe because consistenly no one has been shown to just fire raw kuuvhaki

Light because it's originates from the Moonlight.

who is gonna tell bro that Moons do not produced natural light but rather is the reflection of the sun?
If its an energy directly coming from the Moon then cant be light
easy as that

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Holy smoke
"the sol is dodged, therefore, its not sol because sol cannot be dodge" Ahh message

this clanker…
how can it be a literal beam of light if you are physically capble of blocking it

 

[MSahla]

Or maybe because consistenly no one has been shown to just fire raw kuuvhaki

Literally everyone who can manipulate Kuuvahki can do that.

who is gonna tell bro that Moons do not produced natural light but rather is the reflection of the sun?

Thats just even supporting my arguments, lmao. Kuuvahki Energy = Moonlight = Sunlight.
So Kuuvahki = Sunlight, and that is qualified as being light because it met the standard

• The beam is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by reliable sources.
• The beam originates from a real source of light, such as the Sun or the flash of a camera.

 

[MSahla]

this clanker…
how can it be a literal beam of light if you are physically capble of blocking it

They literally used Kuuvahki to block that Kuuvahki btw, not just a barehands. Bruhhh

 

[Weaver261]

Forgive me if I was wrong but isn't the scan itself pretty going against the claim of Kuuvaki = Light?
The scan here only say "Just as the a beam of light can be split and Kuuvaki can be broken down into distinct elemental force". The keyword here is "Just as". It's a comparison sentence to highlight the trait to be broken into other things. It's not saying Kuuvaki = Beam of Light obviously.
It further said Kuuvaki is the "original state of light". It's not light in itself but can be broken down or made into light as @Puppet43 said

I am knowledgable about SoL at all. I am just explaning the wording here.

 

[MSahla]

Forgive me if I was wrong but isn't the scan itself pretty going against the claim of Kuuvaki = Light?
The scan here only say "Just as the a beam of light can be split and Kuuvaki can be broken down into distinct elemental force". The keyword here is "Just as". It's a comparison sentence to highlight the trait to be broken into other things. It's not saying Kuuvaki = Beam of Light obviously.
It further said Kuuvaki is the "original state of light". It's not light in itself but can be broken down or made into light as @Puppet43 said

I am knowledgable about SoL at all. I am just explaning the wording here.

I already gave the evidences that Kuuvahki is Moonlight itself and the original state of light before dispersion takes places. They're using rainbow analogy because Kuuvahki as "the original state of light" can reflact into seven colors.

 

[Puppet43]

Literally everyone who can manipulate Kuuvahki can do that.

burden falls on u btw

Kuuvahki Energy = Moonlight = Sunlight.

If its an energy directly coming from the Moon then cant be light

 

[Weaver261]

I already gave the evidences that Kuuvahki is Moonlight itself and the original state of light before dispersion takes places. They're using rainbow analogy because Kuuvahki as "the original state of light" can reflact into seven colors.

I don't see a single scan stating Kuuvahki is moonlight itself. If I miss it, can you quote it back here? The analogy of breaking down into seven color from light doesn't equate to Kuuvahki since the highlight in that sentence is about the trait of being able to broken down into other things. It's not like only Light can be broken down into other things.

 

[MSahla]

burden falls on u btw

Not really, i already gave everything.

 

[MSahla]

I don't see a single scan stating Kuuvahki is moonlight itself. If I miss it, can you quote it back here?

Also, Kuuvahki originates from the light of the three moons should be a common knowledge.

The analogy of breaking down into seven color from light doesn't equate to Kuuvahki since the highlight in that sentence is about the trait of being able to broken down into other things. It's not like only Light can be broken down into other things.

"Broke down to distinct elemental forces" this is referring to the Seven Elements. Hence why the Moon Wheels can also possess the seven elements even though it already has Kuuvahki energy.

 

[Puppet43]

Not really, i already gave everything.

So u can't proof ur own claim?

Characters with Kuuvahki manip can shot raw kuuvahki

Great, gg i guess

 

[Furina003]

There has never been such a statement, the Aino cannon purely uses kuuvahki as its ammunition,
This is also proven by Rerir who wanted the cannon shot to absorb kuuvaki, so Columbina said Rerir stole kuuhvaki energy. so meriam aino shot pure kuuvahki

source the kuuhvaki is the moonlight, one of the things that comes from the realm of light, doesn't this meet our standards here? because it comes from the moon

Sahl, I suggest adding this to your CRT, you just need to count the votes of those who disagree and who agree, instead of having a long and roundabout debate, I'm sure that debate won't get any results, we just need to wait for the staff to evaluate this

 

[MSahla]

So u can't proof ur own claim?

Already since the very beginning, unless youre loresskipper and didn't read anything.

Great, gg i guess

Flins is already shown to be able to manipulate raw kuuvahki, and therefore, he can also use it for fight or shooting it.

This is stupid for asking "you have to prove that the characters can manipulate raw kuuvahki" While the developers themselves already said whoever holds the Moon Wheel can manipulate raw kuuvahki.

 

[MSahla]

Sahl, I suggest adding this to your CRT, you just need to count the votes of those who disagree and who agree, instead of having a long and roundabout debate, I'm sure that debate won't get any results, we just need to wait for the staff to evaluate this

I only count the mods votes for this matter.

 

[Weaver261]

Also, Kuuvahki originates from the light if the three moons should be a common knowledge.


"Broke down to distinct elemental forces" this is referring to the Seven Elements. Hence why the Moon Wheels can also possess the seven elements even though it already has Kuuvahki energy.

Sorry but i don't see kuuvahki being mentioned here. And I think they are being metaphorical here since Kuuvahki itself is just an energy while moonlight has the trait to blend different moons' power. Unless, the story explictly state they are the same, it will be hard to agree on. Also Kuuvahki is red and blue in color as you can see here. But the moonlight arrlechino gave was golden. (Idk if other images show kuuvahki is golden, if you have it, show here)

The Knave: I'll take that as a blessing. Now, Columbina, give me your hand. Accept this moonlight I offer in return.
(Columbina lifts her hand to meet Arlecchino's, and a golden light glows between them)

 

[MSahla]

Sorry but i don't see kuuvahki being mentioned here.

That words from Arlecchino is literally after she got Iridescent Moon's Marrow, and Moon Marrows is the source of tremendous kuuvahki energy because it is the remains of the Moon Goddesses.

And I think they are being metaphorical here since Kuuvahki itself is just an energy while moonlight has the trait to blend different moons' power.

Not really? The developers already said Kuuvahki is the original state of light, and this statements of Ineffa alone also proved that.

Paimon: Bet this huge cannon's a real sight when it fires.
Ineffa: That is correct. A huge crowd tends to gather on its own accord on such occasions.
Ineffa: Pure, bright energy rays have never failed to inspire obsessed admirers. If you are interested, you can come back later to behold it in all of its glory.

Also Kuuvahki is red and blue in color as you can see here. But the moonlight arrlechino gave was golden. (Idk if other images show kuuvahki is golden, if you have it, show here)

Kuuvahki can affect the environmental and the weather, doesn't matter if the color is different, they're still Kuuvahki. You can even see the Moon symbol when you possess Kuuvahki ingame.

 

[MSahla]

 

[Puppet43]

This is stupid for asking "you have to prove that the characters can manipulate raw kuuvahki" While the developers themselves already said whoever holds the Moon Wheel can manipulate raw kuuvahki.

The scan just says they can manipulate kuuvahki, i asked u for proof if they can shoot it in a way similar to to Aino's cannon
Great Straw man u had there

 

[MSahla]

The scan just says they can manipulate kuuvahki,

Then thats it, they can manipulate raw kuuvahki lmao, theres no "this version of kuuvahki, that version of kuuvahki"
Even that Red and Blue color kuuvahki are raw kuuvahki lmao.

Great Straw man u had there

Do you even know straw man buddy

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i am just asking for a simple on screen scene where we see them launching kuuvakhi beam the same way cannon did not some vague ass case of kuuvakhi manipulating some shit that needs kuuvakhi energi is it that hard to ask for that?
like nothing absolutely nothing you post abt kuuvakhi being light and them using kuuvakhi for some shit is proving that they can use kuuvakhi to attack at SoL.

 

[MSahla]

like nothing absolutely nothing you post abt kuuvakhi being light

"Genshin player vs reading" They said

and them using kuuvakhi for some shit is proving that they can use kuuvakhi to attack at SoL.

If they can manipulate Kuuvahki, then they can use it for fight or shootin it.
Even the shield that they created using Kuuvahki can block a beam of kuuvahki that is literally moved at speed of light even before that beam reached them.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

"Genshin player vs reading" They said

If they can manipulate Kuuvahki, then they can use it for fight or shootin it.

thats very assumption based when we never saw anyone do it like aino canon

Even the shield that they created using Kuuvahki can block a beam of kuuvahki that is literally moved at speed of light even before that beam reached them.

So its forcefield creation what does that have to do with it being sol? i genuenly dont see anything here warranting SoL attack speed
i mean if you also want to upgrade alhaitham to sol bcs he uses chisel mirrors and mirror reflections in his burst sure
I dont even see how light manip=sol when its strictly said on page that SoL with that would be inside vacuum
and this one is worse since its literally just magic

 

[Puppet43]

i am just asking for a simple on screen scene where we see them launching kuuvakhi beam the same way cannon did not some vague ass case of kuuvakhi manipulating some shit that needs kuuvakhi energi is it that hard to ask for that?

This is litterally what im asking and guess what is Sahl doing, avoiding it

I dont even see how light manip=sol when its strictly said on page that SoL with that would be inside vacuum
and this one is worse since its literally just magic

Please woomy, do not debunk my calc or otherwise all my efforts to put the verse above Mh are done

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This is litterally what im asking and guess what is Sahl doing, avoiding it

Please woomy, do not debunk my calc or otherwise all my efforts to put the verse above Mh are done

Sahl already did so…sorry
tho according to googol it says light moves at near sol so its probably gonna drop to sub rela or some shit

 

[Voidnether]

Kuuvahki isn't composed purely by light but there are also elements (Moonwheel) since there's no such things as a pure Kuuvahki (Even the Moon Marrows are defiled by other elemental energy/source), it's the same as Mavuika's powers that's derived from the 6 Obsidian Stones are primarily fire infused with light, for it to be SoL: It has to purely be light only and Moonwheel existing contradicts this

 

[Furina003]

thats very assumption based when we never saw anyone do it like aino canon

So its forcefield creation what does that have to do with it being sol? i genuenly dont see anything here warranting SoL attack speed
i mean if you also want to upgrade alhaitham

didn't columbina and dottore actually use kuuvahki when they fought?
we even saw how their attacks actually used pure kuuhvaki like aino's cannon

I dont even see how light manip=sol when its strictly said on page that SoL with that would be inside vacuum
and this one is worse since its literally just magic

if the light meets the standards of real light, then the light manipulation he did will also get a sol, because it is not magic, it is light that really comes from objects that emit real light (such as the moon, sun, stars etc.)