[Mods Evaluations Needed] SoL Attack Speed via Kuuvahki.

[MSahla]

Hello, Sahl here.


Today, i'm tryna coping something: Everyone who can manipulate Kuuvahki Energy should get Speed of Light attack speed.

What is "Kuuvahki"?
In essence, Kuuvahki is the power of the Light Realm and coming from the light of the Three Moons of Teyvat, so it's essentially the Moonlight itself. It is the most ancient and primordial form of elemental energy; just like a beam of light that can be split into seven colors, kuuvahki is the original state of light before dispersion takes place.

In this cutscene, a cannon made by Aino is shown that is fueled by Kuuvahki energy, and it is also mentioned that this cannon shoots beams of light.

Cutscene's description:

Raw Chinese + Translation:

眼看大炮即将发射,伊涅芙全力朝塔顶赶去,却还是慢了一步。一道耀眼的光柱撕裂天际,直奔星砂滩而来。

菲林斯举起提灯,吟唱起解放力量的颂词。你纵身跃向天际,迎着光柱张开了护盾。随即,菲林斯与你并肩,正面抗下了这山崩地裂的一击。

远方,伊涅芙奋力扳动炮管,光束被引向高空,一阵爆炸后,化作一场能量之雨洒落大地。然而,落在星砂滩的月矩力之雨却被深渊迅速侵染,如毒液般汇聚 | 成一扇不祥的门扉。计划得逞的猎月人,其真正的身姿,从中缓缓走出

Translation: Seeing the cannon about to fire, Ineffa raced towards the tower, but she was still a step too late. A dazzling beam of light ripped through the sky, hurtling towards the Star Sand Beach. Flins raised his lantern and chanted a hymn of liberating power. You leaped into the sky, shielding yourself against the beam. Then, alongside you, Flins bore the devastating blow head-on.

In the distance, Ineffa wrenched the cannon barrel with all her might, directing the beam high into the sky. After a burst of explosions, it transformed into a rain of energy that showered the earth. However, the rain of lunar moment energy that fell on the Star Sand Beach was quickly infected by the abyss, gathering like venom into an ominous door. The true form of the Moon Hunter, whose plan had succeeded, slowly emerged from it.

Ineffa's statements also supported that the kuuvahki energy that the cannon shoots is a Beam of Light.

Paimon: Bet this huge cannon's a real sight when it fires.
Ineffa: That is correct. A huge crowd tends to gather on its own accord on such occasions.
Ineffa: Pure, bright energy rays have never failed to inspire obsessed admirers. If you are interested, you can come back later to behold it in all of its glory.

So, with all that, it is clear that Kuuvahki energy is Light, or specifically Moonlight itself, and it is the original state of Light before dispersion takes place.

It should have met this standard:

• The beam is stated to move at the speed of light by reliable sources.
• The beam originates from a real source of light, such as the Sun or the flash of a camera.

Conclusion:​

All Characters who can manipulate Kuuvahki Energy should get Speed of Light attack speed.

The examples for these characters are Nod-Krai characters (Moon Wheel users only), like Flins and Ineffa. Of course the Traveler too.
Outside of Nod-Krai, we got Arlecchino, Dragon King Nibelung and Rerir.

Spoiler: About the Traveler

Since the Traveler will get this too, i'll put justifications for his Nod-Krai Chapter speed too.

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[Puppet43]

Disagree
Kuuvahki is not light by itself, it can rather be turned into it by special means

 

[MSahla]

Kuuvahki is not light by itself

??
This is either ragebait or bros not reading anything. Saying Kuuvahki ≠ Light then your calculations about Traveler and Flins blocking Aino's Cannon is useless.

 

[Puppet43]

This is either ragebait or bros not reading anything. Saying Kuuvahki ≠ Light then your calculations about Traveler and Flins blocking Aino's Cannon is useless.

Comrade Sahl, you're the one who doesn't read. I said that Kuuvahki can be transformed into light, but it wouldn't affect its "natural" state.

In simpler terms, only Aino's cannon operates at the speed of light, because the machinery converts raw Kuuvahki into a laser with light properties.

 

[MSahla]

Comrade Sahl, you're the one who doesn't read. I said that Kuuvahki can be transformed into light, but it wouldn't affect its "natural" state.

In simpler terms, only Aino's cannon operates at the speed of light, because the machinery converts raw Kuuvahki into a laser with light properties.

This is so funny, because Kuuvahki SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING are the Moonlight itself, and the developers literally said Kuuvahki is the original state of Light.

Kuuvahki can be transformed into light? That is so funny ngl. A light transformed into light? What is bro huffing rn.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

we have begun chainscaling cannon beam thats specifically created for that to people simply because they also use kuvakhi bro…

 

[MSahla]

we have begun chainscaling cannon beam thats specifically created for that to people simply because they also use kuvakhi bro…

Well that's for their sheer speed, but this is an Attack Speed.

Think of like Kizaru. Even though he already has FTL+, but he still have SoL attack speed because he can shoot light itself (because bros literally light itself)

Speed: FTL+ combat speed (Fought and matched Gear 5 Luffy. Blitzed Snakeman Luffy's fist while dodging, traveling a considerable distance before it could move even a few meters. His clones could pressure Luffy into dodging, slightly nicking him despite the fact, Speed of Light attack/travel speed (Can fire light beams and attacks at this speed), up to at least FTL attack/travel speed with Acceleration (Can accelerate in his light form, continuously gaining speed and moving beyond the speed of light, which allowed him to blitz Snakeman Luffy)

 

[Puppet43]

we have begun chainscaling cannon beam thats specifically created for that to people simply because they also use kuvakhi bro…

This verse is so doomed

the developers literally said Kuuvahki is the original state of Light.

Does this mean water (In a flowing river) moves at the speed of an ice cube in a glass of soda?
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What im trying to say just because A is the original state of B doesnt mean they have all equal properties, so yeah

 

[MSahla]

Does this mean water (In a flowing river) moves at the speed of an ice cube in a glass of soda?

What is bro talking about

 

[Puppet43]

What is bro talking about

What is an ice cube original state? Water
Does this mean the ice cube moves at the speed of the water flowing down?

 

[MSahla]

What is an ice cube original state? Water
Does this mean the ice cube moves at the speed of the water flowing down?

This is a dumb analogy ngl, i am so sorry.
Kuuvahki never transformed into anything because this thing is already Light itself and also has other properties such as magnetism and can also cause disease. Unlike water which can be solid, liquid and gas. Kuuvahki was never like that to begin with.

 

[Puppet43]

This is a dumb analogy ngl

It isn't really; the Kuuvahki needs processing to be converted into the light that is fired from a single cannon.

Kuuvahki never transformed into anything because this thing is already Light itself and also has other properties such as magnetism and can also cause disease

You've answered your own question: does natural light have magnetic properties or is it capable of making people dizzy?

 

[MSahla]

It isn't really; the Kuuvahki needs processing to be converted into the light that is fired from a single cannon.

Aino's cannon requires a large amount of Kuuvahki energy to erase the Wild Hunt, and she has already collected it in a container. She never converted Kuuvahki into light, because Kuuvahki itself is light. It's foolish to want to convert light into light, when that energy is light itself.

Give me proof from the game that says Aino converted Kuuvahki into Light.

You've answered your own question: does natural light have magnetic properties or is it capable of making people dizzy?

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Why bro use irl logic.
This is fiction, anything can happen. That's just a characteristic of Kuuvahki, not the Kuuvahki itself transformed into a magnet or a disease. Lol

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Well that's for their sheer speed, but this is an Attack Speed.

Think of like Kizaru. Even though he already has FTL+, but he still have SoL attack speed because he can shoot light itself (because bros literally light itself)

They cannot perform the same feat that aino cannon did unless stated so, plus it was only that cannon who did use kuuvakhi to attack at SoL on screen while rest use it for whatever they use it already elements and shit (moonwheel)

 

[MSahla]

plus it was only that cannon who did use kuuvakhi to attack at SoL on screen

Moon Wheels also use the Kuuvahki, so whats the difference? The only difference is that Cannon shoots a lot of amount of energies. That doesn't make the state of the Kuuvahki changed whatsoever. Kuuvahki remains to be light. Hence, manipulating kuuvahki will also grant you Light Manipulation.

And The Developers literally said Kuuvahki = Light or Beam of Light. Why? Because Kuuvahki are Moonlight itself, coming from the light of the Three Moons.

Hence, Kuuvahki will in their strongest state when the light from the Frost Moon, the only moon to remain intact, is closest to Teyvat.

while rest use it for whatever they use it already elements and shit (moonwheel)

Because that is the essence of Kuuvahki as Light itself which can produce seven different colors.

 

[MSahla]

I want everyone to keep follow the canonicity proofs from the game instead of their beliefs, because this is already blantant.

 

[Furina003]

I agree, kuuhvaki is pure moonlight, sol is only intended for pure kuuvaki, not someone who uses the energy from kuuvaki, so someone who uses the power of the moon directly.
I disagree with arlechino, she does not use the pure kuuvaki directly but the energy from kuuvaki.
This is only intended for columbina and the 3 moon goddesses

 

[Saqphire]

Agree lmao it's pretty blatant from the evidence provided that it is light

 

[Saqphire]

Also, when exactly was it stated that Aino's cannon converts Kuhvahki into light? Or is Puppet making an assumption here?

 

[MSahla]

Also, when exactly was it stated that Aino's cannon converts Kuhvahki into light? Or is Puppet making an assumption here?

Was never stated to be so

 

[MSahla]

I disagree with arlechino, she does not use the pure kuuvaki directly but the energy from kuuvaki.
This is only intended for columbina and the 3 moon goddesses

She literally can bestow a Moonlight to Columbina after possessing the Iridescent Moon Marrow, so i don't see why Arlecchino shouldn't get it too.

 

[Furina003]

Also, when exactly was it stated that Aino's cannon converts Kuhvahki into light? Or is Puppet making an assumption here?

There has never been such a statement, the Aino cannon purely uses kuuvahki as its ammunition,
This is also proven by Rerir who wanted the cannon shot to absorb kuuvaki, so Columbina said Rerir stole kuuhvaki energy. so meriam aino shot pure kuuvahki

 

[Furina003]

She literally can bestow a Moonlight to Columbina after possessing the Iridescent Moon Marrow, so i don't see why Arlecchino shouldn't get it too.

I don't think she actually uses kuuvahki,because she only acts as a container
, but yeah let's just say I'm neutral for arlechino and agree for other

 

[MSahla]

I don't think she actually uses kuuvahki

Wym by that
She possessed one of the Moon Marrows which is are the source of tremendous Kuuvahki Energy and literally coming from the Moon Goddess itself, and she used that kuuvahki and bestow it to Columbina.

 

[Furina003]

Wym by that
She possessed one of the Moon Marrows which is are the source of tremendous Kuuvahki Energy and literally coming from the Moon Goddess itself, and she used that kuuvahki and bestow it to Columbina.

having a resource doesn't always mean being able to use it, we are talking about the output of an she not whether it has it or not, this is basic terminology in scaling

 

[MSahla]

having a resource doesn't always mean being able to use it, we are talking about the output of an attack not whether it has it or not, this is basic terminology in scaling

And i just gave the scene that she can use the power of it? Morever, Columbina literally said Arlecchino will be more stronger with Moon Marrow. This already proves that the Moon Marrow amped her physical strength (obviously)

 

[MSahla]

Anyway, moved on.

 

[Furina003]

And i just gave the scene that she can use the power of it? Morever, Columbina literally said Arlecchino will be more stronger with Moon Marrow. This already proves that the Moon Marrow amped her physical strength (obviously)

is it used for attack? not right, you need to prove that when arlechino uses attack she uses kuuhvaki energy, so this doesn't prove anything buddy, because we are talking about potential attack speed, not providing energy or having energy

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm not sure about this.

 

[MSahla]

I'm not sure about this.

Which part are you not sure about this, sir. Maybe i can help and explain it to you again.

 

[MSahla]

Hm?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Was trying to compare and Analyze this page. I will say the "Beam of light being split into 7 colors" is so far the strongest indicator of being light. But unsure about other details being enough; though does not look like there are big contentions.

 

[MSahla]

Was trying to compare and Analyze this page. I will say the "Beam of light being split into 7 colors" is so far the strongest indicator of being light. But unsure about other details being enough; though does not look like there are big contentions.

Hmm
I think these evidences are blantant enough to say it is indeed Light sir.

In short, Kuuvahki is a Moonlight itself, coming from the Light of the Three Moons. It has been consistently said to be Beam of Light by the game and even the developers of the game.

Kuuvahki = Original State of Light.
So, this is the light before it turn into seven colors or distinct elemental forces, and there are 7 elements within this game. (Rainbow analogy)

just like a beam of light that can be split into seven colors, kuuvahki is the original state of light before dispersion takes place.

Paimon: Bet this huge cannon's a real sight when it fires.
Ineffa: That is correct. A huge crowd tends to gather on its own accord on such occasions.
Ineffa: Pure, bright energy rays have never failed to inspire obsessed admirers. If you are interested, you can come back later to behold it in all of its glory.

Kuuvahki = Beam of Light

Cutscene's description:

Kuuvahki = Moonlight

 

[Saqphire]

Was never stated to be so

Right, so why can't the calc he is using just say the beam uses kuuhvahki lmfao

 

[MSahla]

Hmm
I think these evidences are blantant enough to say it is indeed Light sir.

In short, Kuuvahki is a Moonlight itself, coming from the Light of the Three Moons. It has been consistently said to be Beam of Light by the game and even the developers of the game.

Kuuvahki = Original State of Light.
So, this is the light before it turn into seven colors or distinct elemental forces, and there are 7 elements within this game (Rainbow analogy)


Kuuvahki = Beam of Light

Kuuvahki = Moonlight

What do you think about this sir?
I think it's enough to say it is indeed light.

But unsure about other details being enough; though does not look like there are big contentions.

 

[Furina003]

Was trying to compare and Analyze this page. I will say the "Beam of light being split into 7 colors" is so far the strongest indicator of being light. But unsure about other details being enough; though does not look like there are big contentions.

source the kuuhvaki is the moonlight, one of the things that comes from the realm of light, doesn't this meet our standards here? because it comes from the moon

• The beam is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by reliable sources.
• The beam originates from a real source of light, such as the Sun or the flash of a camera.

 

[MSahla]

Since the Traveler will get this too, i'll put the justifications for the Nod-Krai Chapter speed too.

Note from me.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Moon Wheels also use the Kuuvahki, so whats the difference? The only difference is that Cannon shoots a lot of amount of energies. That doesn't make the state of the Kuuvahki changed whatsoever. Kuuvahki remains to be light. Hence, manipulating kuuvahki will also grant you Light Manipulation.

And The Developers literally said Kuuvahki = Light or Beam of Light. Why? Because Kuuvahki are Moonlight itself, coming from the light of the Three Moons.

Hence, Kuuvahki will in their strongest state when the light from the Frost Moon, the only moon to remain intact, is closest to Teyvat.


Because that is the essence of Kuuvahki as Light itself which can produce seven different colors.

Using kuuvakhi doesnt make you SoL if the same usage of kuuvakhi isnt shown to be literally lauching beam of light towards the enemy. So do you actually have a feat/statement where kuuvakhi users can actually launch it as a beam of light towards enemy or?

 

[MSahla]

So do you actually have a feat/statement where kuuvakhi users can actually launch it as a beam of light towards enemy or?

This gotta be some ragebait or something, while it's clearly said Kuuvahki is literally light itself, the original state of light, and much like beam of light, this is stated by the developers btw.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This gotta be some ragebait or something, while it's clearly said Kuuvahki is literally light itself, the original state of light, and much like beam of light, this is stated by the developers btw.

dont know man i dont see flins using kuuvakhi as a literal beam of light like aino cannon did lol
cant agree with that simply bcs “Oh im manipulating light=im SoL” and its not like light manip has these limitations that are disqualifying SoL

Primary properties of visible light are intensity, propagation direction, frequency or wavelength spectrum, and polarisation, while its speed in a vacuum (299,792,458 meters per second/186,000 MPS) is one of the fundamental constants of nature. Visible light, as with all types of electromagnetic radiation (EMR), is experimentally found to always move at this speed in vacuum.

You have to make sure kuuvakhi actually moves at SoL outside vacuum which just namedropping light isnt enough