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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

FTL+/Massively FTL feat for Sonic Drift 2, According to the map view in Milky Way, Sonic and others can drive past what appears to an asteroid belt in 15 seconds, thus 33.266986c or 108.949378c depending on the low end or high end of an asteroid belt. Although there might be better feats for the same game, given the Death Egg is initially out of view in space, with said Death Egg possibly housing a starry sky inside it.
 
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McFriesGuy075 said:
FTL+/Massively FTL feat for Sonic Drift 2, According to the map view in Milky Way, Sonic and others can drive past what appears to an asteroid belt in 15 seconds, thus 33.266986c or 108.949378c depending on the low end or high end of an asteroid belt. Although there might be better feats for the same game, given the Death Egg is initially out of view in space, with said Death Egg possibly housing a starry sky inside it.
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I've been wondering about this for years. I can't do math, so thank you for aiding my curiosity.
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
FTL+/Massively FTL feat for Sonic Drift 2, According to the map view in Milky Way, Sonic and others can drive past what appears to an asteroid belt in 15 seconds, thus 33.266986c or 108.949378c depending on the low end or high end of an asteroid belt. Although there might be better feats for the same game, given the Death Egg is initially out of view in space, with said Death Egg possibly housing a starry sky inside it.
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Also Sonic's Spin Dash when done correctly is far faster than Smiley Bomb's spread damage lasers in Sonic Labyrinth to a point where I believe it could yield FTL+ results, but it's hard to replicate in game in a way where it can be calced with both on screen with the camera not moving, still trying though
 
Random thought; could Sonic escaping Cyber Space at the start of Frontiers count as an additional resistance justification to the causality manip resistance on his profile? bc Sage refers to his ability to freely exit and enter Cyber Space as "cheating fate," The End calls it doing the impossible/a miracle, along with the whole "law-defying force field going down to the bottom of causality"

80% sure I missed and/or forgot some context tho and there's a lot of cutscenes to check
 
TheStinkeer said:
Random thought; could Sonic escaping Cyber Space at the start of Frontiers count as an additional resistance justification to the causality manip resistance on his profile?
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I think it's safe to say it's related for absolute sure, especially when considering the JP dialogue as well.
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bc Sage refers to his ability to freely exit and enter Cyber Space as "cheating fate,"
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Does she really say that in relation to entering/exiting Cyber Space? Got a clip? It's been some time since I played Frontiers so I figured that statement was related to something else. If so, that is like blatantly related to causality as you were suggesting. Probably doubles as Fate stuff when you factor in stuff like JP The End telling Sonic that him defeating it "transcends law and time" iirc.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Does she really say that in relation to entering/exiting Cyber Space? Got a clip?
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Sorry for taking a bit, here in English and here in Japanese!

It could be referring to the overarching fate of The End but cyber space is an equally possible outcome

It's also theorized by Sonic and Sage that since Sonic was covering familiar ground it might've gave him the edge needed to escape, but I don't think it would go against this idea since it's something that goes down to the bottom of causality and fate + Tails and Amy should also have something similar as they've gone around places that would logically let them cover familiar ground in Cyberspace like Sonic, yet they couldn't escape.

And Sonic being corrupted at the end after trying to "transcend causality" is moreso do to with the cyber corruption, something he didn't have when he first escaped and is unrelated. Additionally the difference between transcending and resisting is that transcending something would pretty much make you completely immune while resisting does the same but on a lesser scale where you could technically still fall to fate should you screw up, if that makes sense.
 
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I think I found evidence that confirms the use of Emerald Powers makes one stronger

Sonic Superstars Press Release 2023-10-17 (DE)
Sieben Emerald-Kräfteo Nutzt die Kräfte der sieben Chaos Emeralds, um neue Fähigkeiten freizuschalten undetwa Klone zu erzeugen, Wasserfälle hinauf zu schwimmen, stärker zu werden undmehr!
Seven Emerald Powers: Use the powers of the seven Chaos Emeralds to unlock new abilities such as creating clones, swimming up waterfalls, becoming stronger, and more!
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Sonic Superstars Game Stores Description (JP)
- 新たな力でさらにパワーアップ！
新能力「エメラルドパワー」を使うと、分身したり、滝を登ったりと様々なアクションが楽しめる。新能力で新たなソニックを体験しよう！
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Roughly
Get even more powerful with new abilities!
Use the new ability "Emerald Power" to enjoy various actions, such as splitting into two and climbing waterfalls. Experience a new Sonic with these new abilities!
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Anyone know of any sources outright saying Blaze's world is its own universe and "world" refers to universe? I know the games and a couple external stuff are pretty much as blatant as it can get without outright saying the word "universe" but I'd like to see if anything cemented it as fact
 
TheStinkeer said:
Anyone know of any sources outright saying Blaze's world is its own universe and "world" refers to universe? I know the games and a couple external stuff are pretty much as blatant as it can get without outright saying the word "universe" but I'd like to see if anything cemented it as fact
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Here is what I could find on outright statements of it being a parallel dimension
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
I think I found evidence that confirms the use of Emerald Powers makes one stronger
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IMO this isn't indicative of and power growth/boost, it seems more prized for the various abilities it bestows going by the quote you put.
Get even more powerful with new abilities!
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Use the new ability "Emerald Power" to enjoy various actions, such as splitting into two and climbing waterfalls. Experience a new Sonic with these new abilities!
I would only take it as an increase in power if it directly says it. Right now, it seems consistent that the "buffs" are just hax-based. Having access to a greater variety if hax still results in the Core Four getting "even more powerful" (i.e. White Emerald giving them more potent abilities and etc.)
 
If we counted Solaris' Archie page to Game Solaris, would this downgrade his feat since he was using localized (localized being the biggest word here) black holes to devour everything
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ShakeResounding said:
Yes, and people can become stronger through gaining new abilities.

It really doesn't help that you can get one-shot out of your Emerald Power. Contextually, there is no way they get a power increase thr oi ugh greater AP.
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Are we even talking about the same thing here? How does being stronger not equal greater AP? What do you think im trying to argue?
 
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Personally I somewhat lean towards agreeing with McFriesGuy in that the powers themselves should make the characters at least a little stronger, esp given the Chaos Emeralds are being used. But I think Shake also has a point bc gaining new abilities would fall under "becoming stronger/more powerful" and it likely isn't making a world of difference in AP even if they became stronger. Plus it def isn't giving the characters a passive boost and.
 
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Are we even talking about the same thing here? How does being stronger not equal greater AP? What do you think im trying to argue?
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From what I've gathered, you're arguing Emerald Powers should provide an increase in AP because of the statement you've quoted. Is that correct?
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
Yes, an increase in exclusively AP.
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And I disagree, because somebody can have statements of being stronger BECAUSE they have access to a greater array of abilities.

Sonic's inability to drown when that is his main weakness is indicative of being a stronger combatant as well.
 
Sorry to interrupt, I was in a conversation about Chaos and part of me thinks that his regen on his page should have its description modified to include this, think it does a better job at hinting towards Chaos having regen above high-mid. I'm a little unsure about mid-high though, it seems like just graphical limitations.
 
ShakeResounding said:
And I disagree, because somebody can have statements of being stronger BECAUSE they have access to a greater array of abilities.

Sonic's inability to drown when that is his main weakness is indicative of being a stronger combatant as well.
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But it states that becoming stronger is one of the abilities rather than referring to the individual becoming "stronger" as a result of attaining new abilities.

Back then you argued that Trip's Extra Power was negated by the Metal Fighters, yet said attacks they negate it with can one-shot each other.
 
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I lean more towards the "stronger" meaning the abilities they gain, and not stats. I know I'm the "they don't get stronger" guy but it still feels more like it's talking about new abilities for me. I was watching someone play through Ocarina of Time, and a character said "I will enhance your magic power". But this didn't refer to stats, but instead to the amount of Magic the player had. So, like that one, I think this is most likely talking about them gaining new abilities.
 
ShakeResounding said:
And I disagree, because somebody can have statements of being stronger BECAUSE they have access to a greater array of abilities.

Sonic's inability to drown when that is his main weakness is indicative of being a stronger combatant as well.
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That seems like a stretch imo
 
Omegabronic said:
That seems like a stretch imo
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To you. And I don't hold your opinion on this matter in high regard, considering the way you're so eager to wank any minuscule and useless crumb of a statement.

So of course you'll think the more reasonable interpretation is a stretch, despite the fact that EVERYTHING SHOWN indicates absolutely NO increase in power. They get ******* one-shot out of whatever Emerald Power they wield, and you want to look at me with a straight face and say that I'M stretching it for not believing it grants an AP increase? Laughable

And if it comes down to a CRT then you better believe I'm gonna be there to stop it (respectfully and with love).
 
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So of course you'll think the more reasonable interpretation is a stretch, despite the fact that EVERYTHING SHOWN indicates absolutely NO increase in power. They get ******* one-shot out of whatever Emerald Power they wield, and you want to look at me with a straight face and say that I'M stretching it for not believing it grants an AP increase? Laughable

And if it comes down to a CRT then you better believe I'm gonna be there to stop it.
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Never thought we'd be on the same side on something.
 
ShakeResounding said:
So of course you'll think the more reasonable interpretation is a stretch, despite the fact that EVERYTHING SHOWN indicates absolutely NO increase in power. They get ******* one-shot out of whatever Emerald Power they wield, and you want to look at me with a straight face and say that I'M stretching it for not believing it grants an AP increase? Laughable
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But that wouldn't come down to AP, but for Durability instead, no?
 
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